HomeMy WebLinkAbout1998-09-08 HRA Regular Meeting • MINUTES OF THE
REGULAR MEETING OF THE
EDINA HOUSING AND REDEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY
HELD AT CITY HALL
SEPTEMBER 8, 1998, 7:00 P.M.
ROLLCALL Answering rollcall were Commissioners Faust, Hovland, Kelly, Maetzold
and Chair Smith.
CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS APPROVED Motion made by Commissioner Maetzold
and seconded by Commissioner Faust for approval of the HRA Consent Agenda
as presented.
Rollcall:
Ayes: Faust, Hovland, Kelly, Maetzold, Smith
Motion carried.
*MINUTES OF THE AUGUST 17, 1998, HRA MEETING APPROVED Motion made by
Commissioner Maetzold and seconded by Commissioner Faust for approval of
the Minutes of the August 17, 1998.
Motion carried on rollcall vote - five ayes.
• RESOLUTION APPROVING REBATE OF TAX INCREMENTS TO EDINA PUBLIC
SCHOOLS Executive Director Hughes reported the Board of Education for the Edina
Public Schools has adopted a resolution requesting the HRA rebate excess tax
increments resulting from the 1988 excess levy referendum. The amount of the
requested rebate is $20,000.00 for 1997 and $20,000.00 for 1998. The rebated
amounts would be collected only from the Grandview Tax Increment Financing District.
The HRA granted similar rebates to the School District for 1991 through 1996. Rebated
funds have historically been used for a variety of projects benefiting both the School
District and the City. In 1991, funds were used to re-condition tennis courts at the
Community Center. In 1992, rebated funds were applied to the cost of rehabilitating the
track at Kuhlman Field. In 1993 and 1994, rebated funds were used for replacing the
playing surface at the Field House at Edina High School. In 1995 and 1996, the funds
were applied to the resurfacing of the running track at the Edina Community Center and
the resurfacing of tennis courts which are also located at the Community Center.
Director Hughes pointed out the School District's Resolution suggests that the rebated
funds for 1997 and 1998 be used to resurface the tennis courts at the High School,
remodel the concession stand at the Community Center and install a handicap access
door at Valley View Middle School. He reminded Council that the requested rebate is
for 1997 and 1998 only, and any future rebates will be considered on a year-to-year
basis.
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Following a brief Council discussion, it was suggested the Edina School District be .
requested to use the excess tax increments to study and possibly restructure sidewalks
around Edina schools.
Commissioner Maetzold introduced the following Resolution and moved its
adoption:
RESOLUTION
BE IT RESOLVED that the Edina Housing and Redevelopment Authority of Edina,
Minnesota, does with this approve rebate of excess tax increments in the amount
of$20,000 from the Grandview Tax Increment Financing District for the year 1997
and $20,000 from the Grandview Tax Increment Financing District for the year
1998 to Independent School District No. 273, with payment of funds to be made
following approval by the Edina School District to study and possibly restructure
sidewalks adjacent to schools. Commissioner Faust seconded the motion.
Rollcall:
Ayes: Faust, Hovland, Kelly, Maetzold, Smith
Motion carried.
FACILITIES REPORT PRESENTED Park Director Keprios explained on July 6, 1998,
the Council received proposals from a number of Edina organizations for development
of the Kunz Oil/Lewis Engineering property. The proposal, "Edina - A Multi-Use Facility
for the Millennium" advocated the development of a multi-purpose activity center •
comprising of gymnasiums, senior center, running track, 50 meter competitive pool,
leisure pool, fitness center, attendant locker facilities, showers and toilets. The proposal
also included an optional domed facility for indoor soccer, football and baseball.
Following the presentation, the Council directed staff to evaluate the proposal and
report back at a future Council meeting.
The evaluation process followed was:
1. Meeting with representatives of the Edina Organizations advocating the
project,
2. City Council tour of Chaska Community Center, Lifetime Fitness (Plymouth
and Hopkins Lindbergh Activity Center),
3. Meeting with school district staff,
4. Survey of other similar facilities, and
5. Contact private health clubs regarding potential partnerships.
FACILITY SQUARE FEET
• Senior Center 14,400
• Teen Center/Day Care/Administration 10,800
• Four Basketball Courts/Track 36,000
• Mechanical 12,800
• 50 Meter Indoor Competition Pool 17,600 •
• Indoor Leisure Pool 6,400
• Multi-Purpose Fitness Center 12,800
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• Lockers, Toilets, Showers 12,800
• Soccer/Football Dome 80.000
TOTAL 203,600
CAPITAL COST: TOTAL $20,000,000 (including dome)
(Approximately $100 per square foot)
OPERATING EXPENSE: TOTAL $1 million - $1.6 million per year
(Net operating loss $75,000 - $275,000/year)
EVALUATION RESULTS:
• Total project cost for community center concept $22,000,000 - $24,000,000
(10% - 2% for design, engineering and contingencies)
• Total operating and maintenance expenses likely to be $1,000,000 -
$1,600,000
• Operating losses could range from $200,000 to $400,000/year (closer to
$400K without revenues from dome)
ADVANTAGES:
• TIF eligible project, although TIF funds could not cover the full cost of the
facility
• • Creates a gathering place for the community which promotes a stronger
sense of community
• Provides Senior Center participants easy access to fitness areas and
swimming pools
• Could allow Edina residents access to a multi-purpose fitness center, track,
50 meter indoor competition pool and an indoor leisure pool year-round for a
daily fee or annual fee
• Could allow Edina residents access to a multi-purpose fitness center, track,
50 meter indoor competition pool and an indoor leisure pool year-round for a
daily fee or annual fee
• All facilities would be managed and controlled by one owner, the City of
Edina
• Dome could potentially provide a revenue stream to help offset operating
losses
• Multi-purpose fitness center would be conveniently located for all facility
users
• Indoor 50 meter pool could facilitate all municipally offered swim lessons,
which would create more family leisure use and access to the Edina Aquatic
Center
ALTERNATIVE CONCEPTS:
• PUBLIC/PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP CONCEPT
• 1. Similar to community center concept
2. Interested parties to date:
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A. Lifetime Fitness •
B. Northwest Athletic club
C. Southdale YMCA
3. Could be further studied
• CITY/SCHOOL DISTRICT PARTNERSHIP CONCEPT
CAPITAL COSTS:
1. 50 meter indoor competition pool at Valley View Middle School, 7,400,000
and $8,000,000
2. Four gymnasiums, indoor track and multi-purpose fitness center at Edina
Community Center- $3,000,000 AND $4,000,000
OPERATING EXPENSE:
1. 50 meter pool - $350,000 and $450,000/year
2. Gymnasiums/fitness center approximately $274,000/year
OPERATING LOSSES:
1. 50 meter pool $150,000 to $250,000/year
2. Gymnasiums/fitness center$109,000 to $165,000/year
ADVANTAGES:
• More accessible for Edina School District
• Additional facilities would enhance the Edina School District sports and
physical education p rams.
Could allow Edina r dents access to a multi-purpose fitness center,
track and 50 meter indoor competition pool year-round for a daily fee •
or annual fee
• 50 meter pool could facilitate all City swim lessons; create more family
leisure use and access to the Edina Aquatic Center
• Both facilities would utilize existing school property, thus leaving more
private land on the tax role and eliminate land costs for the new
facilities
Addition of an indoor 50 meter competition pool could potentially
eliminate one of the school district's two indoor 25 yard pools
• Although the joint school/City cooperative could allow for shared
operating expenses, a disadvantage of this concept is the potential
loss of the City's control of access to the facility
• The Edina School District may be able to provide management of the
facilities
• The costs to operate and maintain are incremental additions due to
existing facilities and plant operation equipment already on site
• SENIOR CENTER/LIBRARY CONCEPT
• Construct senior center and library on Kunz Oil/Lewis Engineering
property
• City purchase and remodel existing library for relocated Police
Department
• City remodels City Hall •
CAPITAL COSTS:
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• • Senior Center/Library (including land) $5,300,000
• Purchase Existing Library $1,000,000
• Remodel Police Department $1,250,000
• Remodel City Hall $1,800.000
TOTAL COST $9,350,000
ADVANTAGES:
• New Library and Senior Center are TIF eligible projects
• The most urgent City facility needs are addressed
• Close proximity of City Hall and the new Police Station ensure ongoing
communication between City departments
• New Library and Senior Center can be integrated into the
redevelopment of the Kunz Oil/Lewis Engineering property allowing
private redevelopment of the site
• New Library and Senior Center can share space and collaborate on
programs and operation and maintenance
• Project is affordable
• Improved identity and visibility of the Senior Center
CONCLUSIONS:
♦ The report prepared by the Edina Community Organizations fairly portrays
the estimated capital costs of the Multi-Use Facility
♦ Additional gymnasium facilities are needed based upon the current and
• projected level of participation in activities requiring such facilities
♦ Costs of operating and maintaining a 50 meter competition pool will probably
significantly exceed available revenues
♦ Costs of operating and maintaining the gymnasium/fitness center complex
will also probably significantly exceed available revenues
♦ If the Council wishes to provide additional gymnasiums and/or a swimming
pool, such facilities are best located adjunct to public schools
♦ A combination Library/Senior Center would provide a desirable public
"anchor" for the redevelopment of the Kunz/Oil/Lewis Engineering property
RECOMMENDATIONS:
0 The HRA should proceed to select finalists for the development of the Kunz
Oil/Lewis Engineering property
0 The City should study the development of additional gymnasiums and/or a
swimming pool with the Edina School District
0 The City should not pursue the development of a domed athletic field at this
time
Commissioner Comments
Commissioner Maetzold inquired if a library could be included with the multi-use facility.
Director Keprios believed something else would need to be eliminated if a library were
• included and if it were, spaces for parking would be tight. Executive Director Hughes
said if a dome were included, acquisition of the TAGS property would be necessary. If a
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library/senior center were included, more property would be required. With no dome, •
perhaps Kunz/Lewis plus the TAGS site might be adequate for the multi-use facility and
the library/senior center. Commissioner Maetzold asked clarification if a fitness center
would indicate a positive or negative cash flow. Director Keprios clarified it could be a
break-even proposition. Commissioner Maetzold asked for information of the 25 meter
pool vs. the 50 meter pool. Director Keprios noted the market is there for a 50 meter
pool but would probably not generate a positive cash flow. Commissioner Maetzold
asked if funding could come from a levy for both the facility and operating costs.
Executive Director Hughes answered levy limits are imposed on us by the Legislature. It
is purported that 1999 will be the last year for levy limits unless they are renewed. If the
City wanted to levy additional dollars to support the operating losses, the authority
could be sought at the same time the levy was asked for and would include the debt for
construction. If there were no levy limits, the Council would be empowered to ask for
funds on an annual basis.
Commissioner Faust inquired whether the land cost was included in the Edina
Community Organizations plan. Director Keprios commented no. The cost, as
presented, was only for construction. Commissioner Faust asked for more information
on how the Lindbergh Center is run. Director Keprios said staff at the Lindbergh Center
made it plain there is a struggle for access time between the city and school.
Commissioner Hovland asked if the community center concept takes all the land out of •
circulation for a non-public purpose. Director Keprios said, yes. Commissioner Hovland
inquired if the cost per household to defray the approximately $400,000 operating cost
loss has been figured out. Director Keprios commented it would be approximately
$40.00 per resident per year. Commissioner Hovland asked if anyone had looked at the
proportional loss to the City of tax revenue if the property is used for a public purpose.
Director Keprios said he has not done the computations. Commissioner Hovland said in
his calculation, the Senior Center/Library would take 1/3 of the property today leaving
2/3 of the property for private taxable property. He asked for more.information on the
Brooklyn Center operation as their operating losses seemed much less. Director
Keprios said some of their losses are their accounting practices as well as it is a smaller
facility. Director Keprios noted the Gillette, WY facility is similar to the proposal for the
Valley View site except their expenses are minimal as heat for both the pool and
building is with coal. Commissioner Hovland asked about the City/School partnership
and how solid revenues would be to generate up to $200,000 per year as noted in the
report. Director Keprios said it would need to be very, very aggressive to gain that
amount in revenue. Commissioner Hovland said if the existing Valley View pool were to
be replaced with a 50* meter indoor competition pool, costs would be less than
operating a stand alone pool. Director Keprios said the school is paying for the Valley
View pool operation now, and if the expenses were put toward a 50 meter pool, on site,
the additional cost would be less than building a stand alone site. The architect
proposed an addition to the existing pool. Commissioner Hovland asked how solid the •
figures for projected losses were for the gymnasium/fitness center. Director Keprios
said he was fairly comfortable with the projection. Commissioner Hovland asked if a 50
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• meter indoor pool could facilitate municipally offered swim lessons, creating more family
leisure and access at the Aquatic Center. Director Keprios said attendance is at an all
time high at the Aquatic Center. Commissioner Hovland asked if operating costs at
$39,600 at the Senior Center is a good figure. Director Keprios said this is a new cost to
maintain and operate the new facility but programming is already budgeted. Executive
Director Hughes said the cost to operate the Senior Center at present is zero. By the
year 2000, the School District will be allocating an operating and maintenance cost for
the space the Senior Center uses in their building. That cost will be at approximately
$20,000 for rent and incremental costs of$19,000.
Commissioner Kelly asked how operating losses would be funded. Director Keprios
said the cost would need to picked-up by the City. Executive Director Hughes said four
ways exist to potentially cover operating losses, 1) increase in user fees, 2) endowment
funding by donations, 3)joint venture with the school and 4) taxes. Commissioner Kelly
asked if services would need to be cut if the levy limit stayed the same. Chair Smith
said we would need to go for a referendum annually to fund the operating costs
shortfall. Attorney Gilligan said one referendum question could be asked covering the
length of time the referendum would stay in place. Commissioner Kelly suggested
creative funding be included in the original referendum covering self-sustaining funds to
cover operating costs. Attorney Gilligan said we can only bond for capital costs, not for
operating costs. One question could ask to issue bonds for a certain amount to cover
capital costs, another question could be asked to authorize an annual tax levy to cover
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the operating deficit. Commissioner Kelly said he believes building the pool would be
difficult without public/private funding. He asked if there was any plan where the
$40,000 for operation of the Senior Center is going to come from. Executive Director
Hughes said no plans are in place but would be the same categories identified for a
multi-use facility. Commissioner Kelly said he believes users of the Senior Center
would need to offset losses.
Commissioner Maetzold asked what the time frame would be if the two referendums
were passed. Attorney Gilligan said he would need to look at the law but he envisioned
it to be a 10-20 year term in perpetuity and would require voter authorization. .
Chair Smith said he enjoyed the tour the Council took to the different facilities and
especially liked the concept of the Chaska Community Center with everything contained
in one location. He noted he has received numerous positive communications regarding
the Senior Center/Library concept. Chair Smith said his priority list would be, 1) Senior
Center/Library, 2) Gymnasium and, 3) Pool. Chair Smith said he is troubled by the pool
proponents desire to use the pool for a revenue source but questions where funds
would come from to build a pool to begin with. He voiced approval of using the
Kunz/Lewis site for the Senior Center/Library concept. He suggested meeting with the
School District regarding the potential of building four gymnasiums or a 50 meter pool,
but he asked for more definitive information.
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Commissioner Maetzold voiced favor of the multi-use concept and said it should be built •
on one location. It should include, a Senior Center, gymnasiums, community rooms,
indoor aquatic center, 50 meter pool, fitness center, youth center, library, and a
performing arts center. He believes the City has one chance to meet all the needs in
one location. He would support the City operating the Park and Recreation program
with no involvement of the School District. Commissioner Maetzold believes putting a
sharp pencil to the proposed figures will make the multi-use facility feasible. He
suggested asking the voters.
Commissioner Faust said the community center could cost up to $27 million, with an
operating cost of $300,000 to $400,000 loss per year and a loss of tax revenue from
property of up to $250,000 per year. Taking the time to study and putting a pencil to the
figures, the City will lose carrying costs on the property for the last year and she voiced
concern about how this amount of money could be asked for. She stated she does not
believe the citizens will approve this. Commissioner Faust agrees with the Senior
Center/Library concept as a perfect public/private use for the land stated and she would
approve funding being acquired for four gymnasiums. She suggested this could be in
conjunction with the school or could be attached to the Braemar Hockey Rink allowing
use of their maintenance facilities.
Commissioner Hovland has dreamt about a fully-built community center at the
Kunz/Lewis site. The proposed cost makes him apprehensive regarding operating •
costs. Funding could come through endowments but he voiced concern with a single
facility removing all the potential taxable base. He wondered if the site is the best
location for a Senior Center/Library. It was once spoken of as an adjunct to the
Southdale "Y" at $1.8 million and where they would take over the operating
responsibilities. Seeing the proposed Senior Center/Library proposal at $5.3 million
makes him want to revisit the "Y" location. He voiced sensitivity to the wants of the
Seniors and wants to know which location they prefer. Commissioner Hovland believes
the "Y" location would be a better location for public transportation on established
routes. He requested additional information on why City Hall needs to be remodeled
and believes voters would like more details on space needs from staff. He said a way
should be found to creatively find a way to build a pool and basketball courts, whether it
involves the School District or the City, through Park and Recreation. An acceptable
agreement could work between the School District if their land is used creating a
City/School partnership. In the report, staff expressed advantages in using school
owned land to keep the costs down. He concurred with Chair Smith that the School
District should be approached to see if a satisfactory resolution could be reached for
both the City and School District for a commonly built and operated facility both for the
gyms and pool. He concluded that as much as he likes the community center proposal,
he is reluctant to take it out of the tax roles and use if for one single public purpose,
without serious thought.
Commissioner Kelly said practicality is a tough word and often misunderstood. He said •
as Commissioner Faust proposed, we would arguably be impractical if we committed
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• any public land for any use other than a tax-generating use. Parks are some of the
greatest investments ever made but a balance between vision and reality must be
sought to come up with a desirable community and one which meets the needs
necessary to support current property values. This requires reviewing City amenities
periodically to sustain us as a growing and prospering first tier suburb. His vision is to
have this type of community center. Maple Grove and Plymouth have the amenities
that Edina wants in a community center and an opportunity should be afforded to the
citizens to have a chance to vote on one. Thinking of practicality, Commissioner Kelly
voiced concern with how this will be paid for. If there is going to be a community center,
it makes sense for it to be a public/private partnership not a public/school partnership
because that ultimately comes back to the taxpayers. If hope exists to do a large
community center, which he supports, it needs to be a public/private partnership to
provide for the operating costs. Commissioner Kelly said it does not seem like a
solution to do this piecemeal, funds must be found to operate it. Even if fee were
increased for membership at the Senior Center, he reminded the Council that recently
it was difficult to get minimum support to fund a bus which was gifted to them. He
concluded that a public/private ownership be explored on the Kunz/Lewis site
alleviating worries about operating costs for everyone.
Chair Smith commented this would be a $27 million public/private partnership.
Commissioner Kelly said yes.
. Commissioner Maetzold said he totally endorsed Commissioner Kelly's approach.
Executive Director Hughes noted if a public/private joint venture were considered, he
would urge the Council not to exclude the Southdale "Y" and their facility from
consideration. They are the one private organization showing interest but he doubts
they would consider developing on the Kunz/Lewis site. He suggested the inquiry not
be limited to the Kunz/Lewis property only. He reminded the Council that 10-11
proposals have been submitted and he wondered if it might be advisable to put them
on hold and seek two or three private organizations to investigate the public/private
concept.
Commissioner Kelly did not intend for RFP's to be done at this point. It would be helpful
to use the figures and proposals we have regarding a multi-purpose facility (including
the Senior Center), and present it to 1) Southdale "Y", 2) Lifetime Fitness, and 3)
Northwest Athletic to see if a public/private partnership would be possible. They may
say immediately this would not be a profitable venture and we would have our answer.
Chair Smith inquired about a timeframe from staff. Executive Director Hughes said in
order to gain a thoughtful reaction, he suggested six weeks. Commissioner Kelly
suggested this public/private concept could be considered without including the library.
Commissioner Faust said she believes the fees at Lifetime Fitness are exorbitant and
will be a substantial cost to join and that would not include the monthly fees.
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Commissioner Hovland said when staff gave recommendations in the report, he marked
his copy of whether a public/private partnership might be explored. The Lifetime Fitness
in Plymouth seemed to him to be a private club where the City gave them land. He
could not find one thing they had done for the City of Plymouth. He too felt the fees
were extraordinary. The place was busy but did not seem like the type of facility we
were trying to create with public land. The public/private partnership did look appealing
but taking the property out of circulation and turning it into a public use facility with no
tax base is still disconcerting. Commissioner Hovland reminded Council of Manager
Rosland's comments after reading Lifetime Fitness' contract and not seeing where the
City of Plymouth benefited. He believes determining the terms and conditions to benefit
both parties might take an extraordinary amount of time to develop and we do not have
that kind of time. He suggested staff could come back in a month rather than the six
weeks as proposed.
Chair Smith directed staff to poll the Southdale YMCA , Lifetime Fitness, or Northwest
Athletic to consider a public-private partnership to build and operate a community
center and to be back before the Council on October 5, 1998, with the results.
CLAIMS PAID Commissioner Maetzold made a motion approving payment of the
following claims as shown in detail on the Check Register dated September 3,
1998, and consisting of one page totaling $12,017.49. Commissioner Faust
seconded the motion.
Rollcall:
Ayes: Faust, Hovland, Kelly, Maetzold, Smith
Resolution adopted.
There being no further business on the HRA Agenda, Chair an Smith declared the
meeting adjourned.
Executive Director
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