HomeMy WebLinkAbout1998-06-09 Park Board Minutes 1
EDINA PARK BOARD REVISED 8/12/98
8:00 P.M.
CENTENNIAL LAKES CENTRUM BUILDING
JUNE 9, 1998
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MEMBERS PRESENT: Tom White, John Dovolis, Bill Jenkins, Dave Fredlund, Beth Hall,
Jean Rydell, Becky Bennett, Andrew Montgomery
MEMBERS ABSENT: Dave Crowther, Andy Herring, Phyllis Kohler
STAFF PRESENT: John Keprios, Janet Canton
OTHERS PRESENT: Wilford Nelson, Marjorie Ruedy, Frank Cardarelle, Lois
Cardarelle, Tami Kaminsen, Dick Bielke, Debbie Mahon, Alicia
Jenkins, Tom Jenkins
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I. APPROVAL OF THE MAY 12, 1998 PARK BOARD MINUTES
Jean Rydell MOVED TO APPROVE THE MAY 12, 1998 PARK BOARD MINUTES.
Bill Jenkins SECONDED THE MOTION. MINUTES APPROVED.
II. MNDOT PROPERTY LIMITED USE PERMIT - NEIGHBORHOOD REQUEST
Mr. Keprios indicated that he was asked at the last Park Board meeting to put together
what it would cost to move the fence as well as what it would cost to maintain the open
space area. He stated that as his staff report points out it would cost approximately
$4,600 to put in fencing and the company he talked to did not feel that salvaging the fence
was an option. He noted that if we go forward with this project, it would be more cost
effective to put in a new fence and remove the existing one. Mr. Keprios explained that
he asked his park foreman to do an analysis of what it would cost to maintain the area, in
which he was told it would depend on the level of maintenance that we provide.
However, if we keep it to the standard that we keep all of the other parks it would cost
between $1,500 and $1,800 a year and that does not consider any tree trimming, grading,
or any soil stabilization that might need to be done. Mr. Keprios pointed out that isn’t to
say that we would have to keep it at that level we could just go in and mow it two or three
times a year, which is more than MNDOT currently does.
Frank Cardarelle noted that all of the neighbors are in favor of this because it would be a
place for the kids to play and people to walk their dogs. There used to be a vacant lot but
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now a house has been built on it. Therefore, there is no open space for people to go that
is close to the neighborhood other than the street or church parking lot.
Mr. Montgomery asked Mr. Keprios if he can see any alternative to this. Mr. Keprios
explained that there is an application process to go through to get MNDOT’s permission
to lease this property so we could put a fence in. There is no guarantee that we will even
be approved, however, MNDOT didn’t seem to think there would be a problem getting
their approval. Mr. Montgomery asked if MNDOT would allow the fence to be moved
without leasing the piece of property. Mr. Keprios replied he thinks MNDOT would
allow that only if we have a limited use permit. Mr. Montgomery again stated that if
MNDOT would allow the fence to be put in, then the neighborhood could take care of
maintaining the property and it wouldn’t have to become a neighborhood park. He
indicated that he is looking for an alternative to open up the area without the City taking
the responsibility of maintaining the property.
Mr. Jenkins stated that he still questions is that an appropriate space for a park. Mr.
Montgomery replied that he thinks the general feeling is that it is not, however, these
people would have an opportunity to have an open space area. Right now the
neighborhood cannot even get to that area.
Mr. Cardarelle asked to clarify a point. The Highway Department has informed him that
the request needs to come from the City and not the neighborhood. That is why they are
here.
Mr. Montgomery again stated that his idea is just to move the fence so the neighborhood
has access. He noted that he doesn’t know where the $4,600 would come from. Ms.
Rydell commented that she’s not even sure there is $4,600 available. Mr. Montgomery
indicated that assuming we have the money would that be a solution to at least opening
that area up.
Ms. Hall commented that it is not an ideal situation, particularly with the highway right
there. Mr. Montgomery noted that we are not taking responsibility, we are just putting in
the fence. Mr. Fredlund stated that he doesn’t understand what is being gained because
that is not useable space.
Mr. Cardarelle stated there is 2 ½ acres there that is not being used for anything and they
need to go through the proper chain of command to get a permit. The City can do
whatever level of maintenance they want and the neighbors are willing to help. There are
no parks or open space in this area of the City. He agrees it’s not the best location, but
there is no other place.
Ms. Rydell asked what is the liability in which Mr. Keprios replied that on a limited use
permit the liability would probably fall on the shoulders of the City. However, it would
not likely increase our insurance premium because we have a blanket policy.
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Ms. Bennett asked Mr. Keprios if he thinks it is not a good spot because of the proximity
to the freeway. Mr. Keprios noted that his view is this is not an area for children to play,
the contours aren’t right and it’s too close to the freeway.
Mr. Dovolis asked how much of the neighborhood is in support of this. Mr. Cardarelle
replied that the whole neighborhood would like to see that piece of land as open space or
a park area. Mr. Dovolis asked if a petition should be done to see what support they
actually have from the neighborhood. Mr. Keprios replied that his guess is that the
neighborhood could easily find support for this issue. Mr. Keprios suggested that
possibly a compromise could be made. Maybe the City could pay for half of the fence
and the neighborhood pay for the other half, as well as, the City mow it twice a year and
if the neighborhood wants it at a higher level than they can contract that out or mow it
themselves. This could be a possible compromise where people could walk their dogs
and gain access to the property without having to maintain it at the same level as the rest
of the park system.
Mr. White indicated that he suggested at the last Park Board meeting that possibly the
neighborhood could put together a financial package as a gift. He explained that he is all
for open green space, however, when there are safety and money concerns attached, he is
not willing to consider it. Mr. White stated that if the neighborhood would give a gift and
pay for the fence as well as maintain it, then he would at least consider recommending it
to the City Council.
Mr. Cardarelle noted that he doesn’t expect the Park Board to approve a large park, they
just want the fence to be moved and the area mowed. He indicated that he has not asked
the neighbors about how they would feel about contributing financially. He stated that he
knows all of the neighbors would sign a petition. Mr. Dovolis pointed out that he thinks
the biggest issue is financial restraints. Mr. Keprios asked the neighborhood if they are
asking that the City come up with the $4,600. Mr. Cardarelle stated that he knows there
are few retired neighbors who have said they would be willing to move the fence,
however, at this time they don’t even know if they even have a permit to do that. Mr.
Cardarelle pointed out that first they need to get permission through the City from the
Highway Department to use it . After that, it’s one step at a time.
Tom White MOVED THAT THE PARK BOARD RECOMMEND TO THE CITY
COUNCIL THAT THE CITY REQUEST PERMISSION FROM MNDOT TO MOVE
THE FENCE SUBJECT TO THE CAVEAT THAT NO CITY FUNDS BE USED FOR
THAT FENCE AND NO CITY DOLLARS WOULD BE SPENT ON MAINTENANCE
WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD WOULD COME
FORWARD WITH THE MONEY FOR MAINTENANCE AND FOR THE FENCE.
Dave Fredlund SECONDED THE MOTION.
Ms. Bennett stated that the bottom line is when you have a hired staff saying it’s not a
safe place for people to play and spend time at than she feels it doesn’t need to go any
further than that.
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Mr. Montgomery suggested that possibly a joint committee could be formed with a few
residents and Park Board members, including himself, just to explore the idea because he
doesn’t know what all of the MNDOT problems are. He stated that he likes Mr. White’s
motion from the point of view that we are not putting any of our dollars on the line but
we could still explore the possibility of MNDOT moving the fence. Mr. Montgomery
added that the fence is going to get moved at some time because eventually a developer is
going to come in and build on those three lots.
MOTION:
IN FAVOR - Andrew Montgomery, Tom White, Beth Hall, John Dovolis, Jean Rydell,
Dave Fredlund
OPPOSED - Becky Bennett, Bill Jenkins
MOTION CARRIED 6 TO 2.
III. OTHER
A. Centennial Lakes Putt Putt Course - Mr. Keprios indicated that he is very proud of
what Tom Shirley and his staff have done with the Centennial Lakes Putting Course. The
Park Board thanked Mr. Shirley for his work on the course. Mr. Keprios also pointed out
that the water fall features placed throughout the course were built by Northern Water
Gardens, the same people who will be working on the fountain at Arneson Acres.
B. Tree Damage - Mr. Fredlund asked about the tree damage to the park system. Mr.
Keprios informed the Park Board that they don’t have a dollar estimate on the loss of
trees but are accumulating the numbers and assessing the total damage. There currently is
talk about a reforestation plan where the city will assist with a boulevard tree planting
plan. As for the parks, the crews have not been able to even start the parks yet. They are
still taking all of the trees from the boulevards and are working 16 hour days including
weekends. It was asked what parks got hit the worst and it was noted Utley and
Wooddale.
C. Senior Center - Ms. Rydell asked what is the status with the Senior Center in which
Mr. Keprios replied that right now a work session is going on with the City Council and
staff . He indicated that the Senior Center is one of the items they will be discussing
along with other options for the Lewis Engineering Site. He noted that he should have
more information available on this at the next Park Board meeting.
IV. ADJOURNMENT
Jean Rydell MOVED TO ADJOURN THE MEETING AT 8:30 P.M. John Dovolis
SECONDED THE MOTION. MEETING ADJOURNED.