HomeMy WebLinkAbout2012 10-09 HPB Meeting Miinutes RegularAGENDA
CITY OF EDINA, MINNESOTA
HERITAGE PRESERVATION BOARD
REGULAR MEETING
EDINA CITY HALL — COMMUNITY ROOM
TUESDAY, OCTOBER 9, 2012, 7:00 P.M.
I. CALL TO ORDER
11. ROLL CALL
111. APPROVAL OF MEETING AGENDA
IV. APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES:
A. Regular meeting of September 11, 2012
B. Extra meeting of October I, 2012
V. COMMUNITY COMMENT
During "Community Comment" the Heritage Preservation Board will invite residents to share new issues or concerns that
haven't been considered in the past 30 days by the Board or which aren't slated for future consideration. Individuals must
limit their comments to three minutes. The Chair may limit the number of speakers on the same issue in the interest of
time and topic. Generally speaking, items that are elsewhere on tonight's agenda may not be addressed during Community
Comment. Individuals should not expect the Chair or Board to respond to their comments. Instead, the Board might refer
the matter to staff for consideration at a future meeting.
VI. REPORTS/RECOMMENDATIONS
® A. COA Review Process Evaluation
VII. OTHER BUSINESS:
A. Heritage Education & Tourism
B. Grants Available
C. Preservation Conference Sessions
1. Sustainability / Kirkbride Hospital
2. Preservation Marketing
D. 2013 Work Plan
D. Mid -Century Modern Historic Context Study — Progress Report
VIII. CORRESPONDENCE AND PETITIONS
IX. CHAIR AND BOARD MEMBER COMMENTS
X. STAFF COMMENTS
XI. NEXT MEETING DATE: November 13, 2012
XII. ADJOURNMENT
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MINUTES
Meeting of the
Edina Heritage Preservation Board
Edina City Hall — Community Room
Tuesday, October 9, 2012
7:00 p.m.
I. CALL TO ORDER 7:00 P.M.
II. ROLL CALL
Answering roll call was Chair Carr, and Members Stegner, Davis, Curran, Anger, Moore, Mellom,
Sussman, Johnson and Good. Absent was Member Christiaansen. Staff present was Planner Joyce Repya;
Preservation Consultant Robert Vogel was also in attendance.
III. APPROVAL OF MEETING AGENDA
Member Stegner moved to approve the meeting agenda. Member Moore seconded the motion. All
voted aye. The motion carried.
IV. APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES
A. September 11, 2012
Member Stegner moved for approval of the Minutes from the September 11, 2012 meeting. Member
Moore seconded the motion. All voted aye. The motion carried.
B. October 1, 2012
Member Davis moved approval of the minutes from the October 1, 2012 meeting. Member Stegner
seconded the motion. All voted aye. The motion carried.
V. COMMUNITY COMMENT
Kitty O'Dea, 4610 Bruce Avenue — Country Club District Photo Inventory
Kitty O'Dea provided the board with an explanation of her motivation to create a photo inventory of
the historic homes in the Country Club District, stating that in her opinion, the HPB's interpretation of
the Plan of Treatment has been subjective, inconsistent , and out of alignment with the City Council.
She believes the board has been reliant on generic definitions rather than concrete examples of what
exists in the neighborhood; resulting in the HPB's decisions on new homes being appealed by the City
Council. She added that it is her intent to create a photo database that is objective and a useful tool for
homeowners, contractors and the HPB - ultimately making the COA process more objective, consistent
and predictable.
Ms. O'Dea explained that the online database would be tied to the 1980 survey descriptions of homes in
the District, and would provide the following benefits:
• Quick access to relevant homes for comparison
• Information available to the HPB, builders and property owners
• More efficient and less subjective COA decisions
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Member Curran commented that she has been a member of the HPB for three years during which time
three new homes received COA's in the District, and did not recall any of those decisions being
appealed to the City Council. She then asked for more details on the appeals received by the City
Council.
Planner Repya explained that since 2003, the HPB has issued 12 COA's for new homes in the Country
Club District. The City Council has received appeals on three of those decisions. The most recent
appeal was the only one approved by the Council. The appeals received on the other two homes also
on Bruce Avenue (4608 and 4602), resulted in the Council upholding the HPB's approval but
encouraging the HPB to clarify the process. As a result, in 2008, the Plan of Treatment processes were
revised to provide more clarity.
Board members shared the following comments about the proposed photo database:
Member Mellom — Stated that a photo database could be useful; adding that she would also like to see
photos of the street as well to provide context.
Member Stegner — Pointed out that to understand how the neighborhood evolved the HPB should
not be dependent solely on the current photos - adding that the District has experienced many
evolutions over the years — what exists currently, may not be "appropriate".
Member Anger — Stated that since the HPB has a responsibility to the Country Club District, a photo
database could be a useful tool — such a tool could also be helpful as we evaluate other neighborhoods
in the city. However, the photos should not take the place of visiting a property to gain the "on the
ground" perspective.
Member Sussman — Explained that he can see value in providing an accessible photo database that
portrays what exists in the District today. However, research should be done to document the changes
the properties have experienced over time, with an understanding that what is depicted in the photos is
often not the original home. He suggested that standards for interpreting the information provided
should be established particularly with respect to the extent that immediate properties weigh into the
decision making process.
Member Davis — Commended Ms. O'Dea for volunteering to undertake the project of creating a
photo database of the homes in the Country Club District; and cautioned that the database should only
be used as a reference tool, and not as a means of establishing guidelines.
Member Moore — Agreed with Members Sussman and Davis, adding that the board should be cautious
in the use of the database.
Member Good — Stated that she liked the idea of a photo database. Noting that as a student member
of the board, photos of the homes would be very helpful.
Member Johnson — Agreed with Member Good, adding that the photo database would be a good
educational tool.
Chair Carr — Recognized Ms. O'Dea's passion for the preservation of the Country Club District, and
stated that she thought a photo database was a good idea — providing a useful tool to understand what
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currently exists in the District. She added that the photo database concept could also be beneficial as
the board evaluates a disaster management plan for the City's heritage landmark properties and districts.
Consultant Vogel explained that since the District was added to the National Register of Historic Places
in 1980, the HPB has evaluated and reevaluated how to classify the homes in the neighborhood — with
the most recent reclassification taking place in 2003 when the local heritage landmark designation took
place. Vogel appreciated the point made that current photos of the District's homes would not provide
the context to the evolution of the neighborhood, and could be a useful tool to serve as a guide.
Mr. Vogel pointed out that the city does have historic photos of the District's homes from the old
Assessor's record, dating back to about 1960. However, those photos are not currently available to the
public, and it would be an enormous task to convert the paper files to a digital format. Mr. Vogel added
that the board may want to refer to the National Park Service's Preservation Bulletin #17 entitled
"Architectural Character — Identifying the Visual Aspects to Historic Buildings as an Aid to Preserving
their Character" as another tool to use when evaluating projects in the future. However, Mr. Vogel
reminded the Board that the Secretary of the Interior's Standards which provide the basis for the
District's Plan of Treatment specifies that in -fill construction in a historic district (the new homes) shall
be differentiated from the old and will be compatible with the historic materials, features, size, scale and
proportion, and massing to protect the integrity of the property and its environment. The Standards
discourage constructing replicas of historic homes.
A brief discussion ensued, after which Member Stegner moved to authorize Ms. O'Dea to undertake a
photo database of homes in the Country Club District ultimately to be added to the resources available
to HPB and the public. Member Mellom seconded the motion. All voted aye. The motion carried.
VI. REPORTS/RECOMMENDATIONS
A. COA Review Process Evaluation
Member Curran explained that since the last meeting she reviewed the current process for evaluating
Certificate of Appropriateness applications and created a guide to aid discussing applications in the
future. The guide, using the District's Plan of Treatment as an outline, included a summary of key
discussion points calling out the following "Basics":
• Primary objective is the "preservation of the existing historic house facades and streetscapes."
• We follow the Secretary of the Interior's Standards for the Treatment of Historic Properties
• COAs are required for demolition and new construction of a home or detached garage
• Demolition is defined as altering
➢ "50% or more of the surface area of all exterior walls ... are removed", or
➢ "50% or more of the principal roof structure is removed, changing it shape, pitch, or
height", or
➢ "a front porch, side porch, vestibule, dormer, chimney, attached garage, or porte-
cochere is removed or destroyed"
• Demolition "does not include removal of existing siding, roofing, trim, fascia, soffit, eave, moldings,
windows, and doors"
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Ms. Curran went on to address the design review guidelines, suggesting the following pertinent
comments by subject matter:
Size, Scale & Massing
• The design is "compatible in size, scale, massing, orientation, setback, color, and texture with
historic Country Club homes
• The facade/design elements seem to be "architecturally similar to existing" Country Club homes
and "visually relate to the historic facades of nearby homes"
• This entrance/porch "respects the rhythm and continuity" of similar features on nearby homes
• The roof pitch is consistent with existing homes
• The height of the home is "within 10% of the average height of existing homes on adjacent lots"
or the "average of the block
Exterior Finishes
• The home uses traditional materials - "horizontal lap siding, stucco, brick, false half-timbering,
wood shakes or stone", as recommended by the Guidelines
• Hardi-Plank siding is appropriate in this case because there are similar houses on this street and
because it appears in this case it "duplicates the size, shape, color, and texture" of traditional
materials
• It is inappropriate to use aluminum/vinyl siding on the street side.
Mechanical Equipment
The solar equipment/air conditioner is concealed or in an inconspicuous location.
The equipment does not "detract from the historic facade and streetscapes".
Decks
The deck is fine even though it is contemporary because it is "not visible from the street"
Landscaping
• The planters/flower beds/fences are "visually compatible with the historic character of the
district in size, scale, material, texture and color"
• The retaining wall is fine because it blends in with the historic street scape.
Impervious Surfaces
The homeowner is using a "permeable pavement system".
Garages (detached)
• This garage matches "the architectural style of the house".. as well as the neighborhood"
• The design does a good job of "minimizing the visual impact" of the garage.
• It looks like the roofline of the a garage does not exceed the maximum height allowed (which is
"10% of the average height of the existing garages on the adjacent lots, or the average of the
block"
Driveways
This driveway is "compatible in width and material with the historic driveways"
There is no new curb cut.
Inappropriate Comments:
❑ I don't like the proposed design.
❑ In my view, the design is busy
❑ We approved Hardi-Plank on another street, so it should be ok here.
❑ The brick driveway is beautiful
❑ I'm ok with the front facing garage
❑ It's ok if the garage wall facing the street is longer than 16 feet.
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Board members thanked Ms. Curran for her work on evaluating the COA process, agreeing that the
Plan of Treatment should guide all decisions.
Planner Repya also provided some Plan of Treatment checklists that could potentially be used when
evaluating applications for a COA. She wondered if a checklist would be helpful to the board by
ensuring that they consider the important elements from the Plan of Treatment. Member Curran stated
the she was not a fan of checklists, and while they might be useful for staff when determining whether an
application is complete, she would prefer Planner Repya call out the important elements in the staff
report. Member Stegner commented that he would like to use a checklist as a fact sheet rather than
having to wade through the text of a report; adding that ultimately the goal is to ensure that the best
construction possible is provided.
Member Anger cautioned that as the COA process is evaluated it not become more complicated. Since
the review standards established in the Plan of Treatment are not qualitative, open discussions are
necessary and perhaps some re-training should be considered.
Consultant Vogel observed that over time the Country Club District has evolved into a very different
place from its early days. Although planned as a distinctive, upscale neighborhood, by the 1960's many
of the properties were 40 years old and had not been well maintained as evidenced by results from a
survey conducted by the City's Assessing department. Mr. Vogel added that decisions being made today
are changing the evolution of the area — and while the properties are being reshaped, with the guidance
® of the Plan of Treatment, the area will continue to be distinctive and maintain its historic integrity.
Chair Carr thanked Member Curran for her work on evaluating the COA process and added that the
discussion had been very helpful toward raising the bar and improving the process for evaluating COA
requests. Member Curran suggested that it might be helpful for the board to have the District's Plan of
Treatment on a laminated sheet (much like the Code of Ethics) which could be used for easy reference
during meetings. Board members agreed that would be a helpful tool. No formal action was taken.
VII. OTHER BUSINESS
A. Heritage Education
Chair Carr reported that she, Members Sussman, Stegner and Planner Repya met with Jennifer
Bennerotte, the City's Communication's Director and Scott Denfeld, the City's Cable Coordinator to
discuss producing a video highlighting Edina's heritage preservation program which was a topic that was
brought up with the City Council at the joint work session last June. At the meeting, Ms. Bennerotte
explained that she and her team had been discussing how to best highlight the heritage preservation
program in a video format and suggested rather than producing one 25 minute video, perhaps a series of
2 - 5 minute clips each highlighting a different aspect of the preservation program would be preferable.
Ms. Carr pointed out that she liked Ms. Bennerotte's suggestion, noting that a longer video might not be
as well received as the shorter clips which could have a monthly run and provide new and pertinent
information relative to the work of the HPB. The project as proposed would include a host whom Ms.
Bennerotte's team would find, who would present the information. The cost of production would be
about $500 per clip, and could potentially be funded through sponsorships.
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Board members briefly discussed the concept of a series of short video clips, agreeing that they liked the
concept which would be preferable to one longer video.
Chair Carr added that in addition to the proposed video clips, an HPB presence on the City's Facebook
page was discussed. Ms. Carr explained that she experimented with posting a photo of The Baird House
and the Browndale Bridge with brief explanations and a link to the HPB pages of the City's web site on
her Facebook page. Ms. Carr also provided a schedule that would provide for the posting of one historic
property per month. The Facebook concept was well received by Ms. Bennerotte who stated that it
could be easily implemented and would not be limited to once a month. Ms. Bennerotte also suggested
that to generate interest in Heritage Preservation through Facebook, the Board could ask questions that
would be answered, thus engaging the public.
Member Stegner pointed out that providing information on buildings in Edina that are no longer standing
could generate interest with the public; showing a building and asking "Do you know where this lost
building stood, and what took its place?" Board members agreed with- Mr. Stegner.
Ms. Carr concluded that in addition to the video clip concept and an active presence on the City's
Facebook page, there was also mention of potentially implementing a "Waymarking" program which
operates somewhat like "Geocaching" where locations within the community can be located on one's
phone through GPS. However, the biggest difference is with Geocaching, at each site the participants
are looking for an object that is either buried or hidden, whereas with the Waymarking program
information on the locations identified is provided. Ms. Carr added that the Waymarking program could
potentially be coordinated with the Historical Society and the City's Parks program.
B. Grant Programs Available
Chair Carr explained that during the State Preservation Conference there was an interesting session
provided which outlined the various grant programs available to cities which are facilitated by the State
Preservation Office. Planner Repya provided board members with a print out from the session which
identified the types of grants available and the projects that could be funded. Edina's HPB has found that
the CLG Grants funded through the National Park Service have been best vehicle for funding both
inventory and research projects over the past decade. Now also available are Minnesota Historical &
Cultural Heritage Grants (also known as Legacy or Fast Track Grants). These grants fund smaller
projects up to $7,000, do not require the city to provide a cash match, and have rolling deadlines for a
more streamlined review process. The HPB has recently applied for a Legacy Grant to supplement the
Mid -Century Modern Historic Context Study CLG grant, but has yet to receive a decision on the
request.
Ms. Carr asked if a historic marker program to identify Edina's heritage landmark properties could
qualify for grant funds. Consultant Vogel opined that rather than employing a historic marker program,
he believed a virtual interpretation program would reach more people and provide more information on
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the historic sites. He added that cities that have utilized a historic marker program have had problems
with additional signs cluttering the right of way, becoming more of a distraction.
C. Preservation Conference Sessions
I. Sustainability/Kirkbride State Hospital
2. Preservation Marketing
Chair Carr explained that the Preservation Conference sessions were discussed at the October I st
meeting of the HPB. At the Board's request, Ms. Repya provided information in this meeting packet on
both the Sustainability session as well as the Preservation Marketing session. Board members thanked
Ms. Repya for the information, adding that it will be helpful to them in future efforts to expand the
scope of Edina's preservation program.
D. Mid -Century Modern Historic Context Study — Progress Report
Consultant Vogel shared the current status of the project pointing out that since the study's time period
was the era when the City grew the most, there are copious amounts of records and materials to
evaluate; and what is most important is to determine what properties in that context are threatened,
and focus on those. He pointed out that he and his staff are looking forward to doing the bulk of the
property survey work during the winter months which are most conducive for that type of activity. The
initial commercial focus will be in the 494/Hwy. 100 portion to include the industrial properties on the
west side of Hwy. 100, and Pentagon Office Park on the east side of Hwy. 100, The City benefited
greatly from the development of those properties due to the resulting[ 954 tax revenue stream, which
up until then, had been a non-existent form of revenue for Edina.
Mr. Vogel concluded that in January a preliminary property inventory reflecting the context will be
available. Board members thanked Mr. Vogel for his report and stated that they looked forward to
learning more about Mid -Century Edina,
VIII. CORRESPONDENCE & PETITIONS - None
CHAIR AND BOARD MEMBER COMMENTS
Chair Carr
I . joint Meeting with the Planning Commission - Ms. Carr reported that she had a
discussion with Floyd Grabel, the Chair of the Planning Commission and they both agreed that
the City's heritage preservation program is governed by the Zoning Ordinance, and the mission
of both groups coincide. Mr. Grabel and she agreed that a joint meeting with the HPB and
Planning Commission sometime after the first of the year would be beneficial to both groups.
Board members agreed with Ms. Carr, and stated that they look forward to an upcoming
meeting.
2. State National Register Archaeologist, David Mather to attend December HPB
meeting — Ms. Carr reported that while at the State Preservation Conference, she struck up a
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conversation with David Mather, one of the State's Archaeologists. She asked Mr. Mather if he
would be interested in attending one of the HPB meetings to provide the board with more
detailed information on how archaeology fits in with the overall mission of Edina's preservation
plan. Fortunately, Mr. Mather has found that the December I Ith meeting will work well with his
schedule. Board members stated that they looked forward to hearing from Mr. Mather.
Member Mellom
. 125th Quasquicentennial House Tour — Ms. Mellom was pleased to announce that her
home at 4505 Arden Avenue will represent the Country Club District as one of the three
private homes to be open to the public for the 125th Anniversary Home Tour on September 15,
2013. She added that the other two homes will the George Baird House on W. 50th Street and
a Morningside Bungalow. Board members shared their interest in the upcoming tour and
commended Ms. Mellom for opening her home to the event.
VI. STAFF COMMENTS - None
Vill. NEXT MEETING DATE November 13, 2012
IX. ADJOURNMENT 8:40 p.m.
Member Curran moved the meeting be adjourned at 8:40 p.m. Member Davis seconded the motion. All
voted aye. The motion carried.
Respectfully submitted,
Joyce Repya
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