HomeMy WebLinkAbout2012-11-19 Park Board PacketAGENDA
CITY OF EDINA, MINNESOTA
PARK BOARD MEETING
CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS
Monday, November 19, 2012
7:00 P.M.
CALL TO ORDER
II. ROLL CALL
III. APPROVAL OF MEETING AGENDA
IV. ADOPTION OF CONSENT AGENDA
A. Approval of Minutes — Regular meeting on Tuesday, October 9, 2012
V. COMMUNITY COMMENT
During "Community Comment, " the Park Board will invite residents to share relevant
issues or concerns. Individuals must limit their comments to three minutes. The
Chair may limit the number of speakers on the same issue in the interest of time and
topic. Generally speaking, items that are elsewhere on tonight's agenda may not be
addressed during Community Comment. Individuals should not expect the Chair or
Board Members to respond to their comments tonight. Instead, the Board might refer
the matter to staff for consideration at a future meeting.
VI. REPORTS/RECOMMENDATIONS
A. Edina Nordic Ski Snowmaking Proposal
B. 2013-2017 Parks and Recreation Department Capital Improvement Plan
C. West Shore Drive Pathway Expansion Proposal
D. 2013 Parks and Recreation Department Fees and Charges
VII. CORRESPONDENCE AND PETITIONS
VIII. CHAIR AND BOARD MEMBER COMMENTS
IX. STAFF COMMENTS
X. ADJOURNMENT
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assistance in the way of hearing amplification, an interpreter, large -print documents or something,
please call 952-927-8861 72 hours in advance of the meeting.
MINUTES
OF THE MEETING OF THE
PARK BOARD
HELD AT CITY HALL
October 9, 2012
7:00 PM
I. CALL TO ORDER
Chair Steel called the meeting to order at 7:06 pm
II. WELCOME NEW STUDENT MEMBERS
Chair Steel welcomed new student member Yasmeen Almog
III. ROLL CALL
Answering roll call were Members Dan Peterson, Deeds, Jones, Gieseke, Steel, Kathryn Peterson,
Jacobson, Hulbert, Segreto, Almog, O'Leary
Cathy Cella arrived at 7:55 pm
IV APPROVAL OFMEETINGAGENDA
Member Dan Peterson made a motion, seconded by Member Gieseke, approving the meeting
agenda.
Ayes: Dan Peterson, Deeds, Jones, Gieseke, Steel, Kathryn Peterson, Jacobson, Hulbert, Segreto
Motion Carried
V. ADOPTION OF CONSENT AGENDA
Member Dan Peterson made a motion, seconded by Member Gieseke approving the consent
agenda as follows:
V.A. Approval of Minutes — Regular Park Board Meeting of Tuesday, September 11, 2012
Ayes: Dan Peterson, Deeds, Jones, Gieseke, Steel, Kathryn Peterson, Jacobson, Hulbert, Segreto
Motion Carried
VI. COMMUNITY COMMENT
None
VII. REPORTS/RECOMMENDATIONS
VII.A. Garden Park Public Hearing Regarding Baseball Field Renovations
John Wright indicated he is not a member of the Edina Baseball Association (EBA) but does have a son
who is now 16 and has played baseball. Mr. Wright gave a power point presentation. He informed the
Park Board that Garden Park is built on road construction landfill and when there is a moderate rainfall
the fields are not good and they would love to renovate the playing surface and solve the drainage and
playability issues that are currently there. In addition, they would like to improve the aesthetics of the
field as well as have some player improvements. He noted the fields for the younger kids are more than
adequate but as they get older it's important for them to have several fields that they can play on that
meet the size standard and the amenities standard. He added they have had trouble with the school fields
as far as keeping them mowed during the summer and on more than one occasion he has taken his own
Toro and mowed the fields but try to do their best with the school fields they are able to use.
Mr. Wright informed the Park Board of a few proposed improvements: dugouts, batting cages and
modifications to the fencing. He then went over a quick summary of what has been proposed and put
into the grant as part of the Hennepin County Youth Sports Program which includes taking out the
infield and replacing it with sand peat material so the infield can drain. Also, put drain tile in the
outfield, re -grade and plant new grass with an irrigation system (the current one has not worked for
several years). In addition, the backstop would be heightened and the chain link fence would be raised;
he commented that Mr. Keprios suggested black vinyl fencing because it is more aesthetically appealing
to the neighborhood. Also a place for pitchers to warm up inside the fence along with dugouts and a
shed on one side and possibly a very small concession stand. In addition, put in batting cages, an
electronic scoreboard and some bleachers behind the fence. Mr. Wright indicated there is a lot going on
at Garden Park every night during the summer and they did stress in the grant what Garden Park is used
for and that is for a certain age group for baseball as well as all families that use Garden Park for other
sports and in general.
Ms. Kattreh informed the Park Board that the total estimated cost of construction is $382,660 and with a
$100,000 from the EBA that leaves them with a total cost of $282,660 which they submitted the grant
for last week. She explained that staff did make a $100,000 CIP request for this just in case they receive
partial grant funding and not the whole $282,660.
Member Gieseke asked how it can cost $5,000 for a flagpole to which Ms. Kattreh replied that question
did come up amongst their group and is not quite sure other than it is a construction estimate but
assumes it must include footings, possible lighting and up to three flagpoles which can cost up to $1,500
each.
Member Segreto asked how many of their baseball fields have electronic scoreboards, what is the useful
life and what maintenance is involved. Ms. Kattreh replied she would need to refer to park maintenance
staff for those answers but would expect it to last between 10 and 15 years and added that the four fields
at the Courtney ball fields each has an electronic scoreboard. Brad Burley, EBA Board Member,
indicated they are pushing 15 to 20 years with the scoreboard on Courtney Field #4.
Member Kathryn Peterson indicated she knows there was a lot of damage done by vehicles this past
spring and asked if fences will be constructed in such a way so vehicles cannot get through. Ms. Kattreh
replied they are planning to put up a fence that would open up to allow vehicles to have access; however,
when the fence is closed neighbors would still have access to the field when it's not being used in a
scheduled manner.
Member Jones asked how many games are being played on that field to which Mr. Wright replied
approximately 90 to 100 games from May through the end of July and that does not include practices.
Member Kathryn Peterson added that the high school starts using it in April for their sophomore and JV
games.
Member Jones asked what happens if they don't get the grant money to which Ms. Kattreh responded
the first thing they need to determine is if they receive funding through the CIP. If grant funding is not
received, we will sit down with the EBA and decide if they still want to make the $100,000 contribution
and then determine how they could prioritize and phase in the improvements.
Member Jones asked if there would be adequate parking to which Ms. Kattreh replied yes, there is plenty
of parking for what they have available as far as field space.
Casey Hankinson, 6615 Parkwood Lane, indicated he has played many years of baseball and thinks
Garden Park is severely underutilized from a playability standpoint and certainly could use an upgrade.
He drives by Garden Park many times and does see water on the fields to the point where other fields
become impacted and thinks whatever improvements made to Garden Park are to be applauded. He
congratulated EBA on donating $100,000 towards the project and as a resident he would be thrilled and
thinks it would be a real perk to have another fine, outstanding facility in Garden Park.
Brad Burley, 4510 Arden, informed the committee he has been involved in baseball in the community
for a very long time and as sports have grown in the community with lacrosse, soccer, softball, etc., the
erosion of the baseball fields in the community has impacted their ability to practice. Therefore, when
Garden Park is shut down for a period of time there really is nowhere else to go because the fields at
Courtney are for games only and there are not a lot of 90' baseball fields to practice on or reschedule
games and it's really putting a crunch into the organization.
Jeff May, 5724 Dale Avenue, President of the EBA, thanked Ms. Kattreh and staff for all of the hard
work they put into the grant application. He noted that in a number of aspects he thinks it reflects how
good of a project it is for the community. It first reflects the cooperation between the EBA and the City
coming together with EBA's contribution and the City's help with the grant and in putting together a
terrific plan that will really serve the community. He indicated they've had a lot of discussions about
field capacity and the growth of athletics in the community and the need to add field capacity in which
this a project that will dramatically improve the usability and capacity of Garden Park and hopes the
Park Board will support this project.
Keelin Kane, 5533 Warden Avenue., informed the Park Board that she and many other neighbors use the
park for things other than sports, they like to walk and enjoy the ambiance of having a park in their
neighborhood. She indicated she is all for sports and thinks it's delightful to hear jolly sport behavior
and laughing during the summer; however, one concern she has is traffic although it doesn't sound like
there will be an increase in traffic. She commented she would like to hear a little more about the terms
of a better facility because it may eventually cause people to want more use of the field and night games
and she is concerned about the night sky and the lights that may be put up and so forth.
Member Hulbert asked if it is necessary to illuminate the flags if that is what part of the plan is to which
Ms. Kattreh replied yes. Member Dan Peterson commented that he thinks the other option is to spend
$150 on a good flag pole that is in a stand and take it out of the storage area for the games and put it
back into storage when the game is over.
Member Segreto made a motion, seconded by Member Dan Peterson, that they approve this with
the elimination of the flagpole in the project.
Ayes: Dan Peterson, Deeds, Jones, Gieseke, Steel, Kathryn Peterson, Jacobson, Hulbert, Segreto
Motion Carried.
VII.B. Walnut Ridge Shelter Building Winter Lights
Holli Hankinson, 6615 Parkwood Lane, informed the Park Board that last year she came up with the idea
of wouldn't it be neat if the warming house and adjacent tree at Walnut Ridge Park were professionally
lit with white Christmas lights if the neighborhood was willing to pay for them. She pointed out she
started a petition and has gathered 21 names of neighbors who are willing to support it and that she tried
to contact most of the neighbors that are in direct sight of the lights. She indicated that she has contacted
three different vendors that would be professionally lighting them and they came up with the cost of
$1,200. She stated that with Park Board approval she will then try to gather donations from the
neighbors. She indicated that the rink is a neighborhood gathering place and so anything to make it a
little more festive is what they thought so they are proposing to have the lights lit the end of November
until the rinks shut down which she believes is February
Member Segreto commented that she feels a little conflicted with the proposal because there have been
discussions about how the City should strive for a certain sense of uniformity in some of the park
structures, being the shelter buildings. However, she does like the idea of personalizing park structures
to add to the festivities and sees that as important to the feeling you get in the neighborhood. She stated
that in looking at where the signatures have been obtained in connection with the petition many of them
are not along the perimeter of the park and those are the people she would see as being most affected by
the lights.
Chair Steel asked if the donations were collected would this need to be brought back to the Park Board.
Ms. Kattreh replied she would ask for approval stating if they receive the donations you would give the
approval to do this and would also want the City Council's approval on this item. She noted if Park
Board gives approval she would give the neighborhood another month to raise the funds prior to City
Council approval. Chair Steel asked if they would be able to have a public hearing or notify the houses
in that area to which Ms. Kattreh responded they had not planned on doing a public hearing but if that is
the process the Park Board would like to take she would be happy to do it.
Chair Steel asked about the electricity costs to which Ms. Kattreh replied the proposal is for LED lights
which are very efficient; however, without the use of LED lights they would not have considered this
proposal.
Member Gieseke commented that he loves the lights but if there are some concerns would you be open
to having the holiday lights on in December and go two weeks into January or some kind of
combination. Ms. Hankinson replied they would consider anything to have the winter Iights. She added
there are quite a few Jewish people in their community and she has talked to them and gathered their
opinion and they are all fine with it, but winter lights is what they are thinking. Mr. Hankinson informed
the Park Board that it is probably 75 to 100 yards to the nearest residence and the hockey rink is lit to
full exposure. He commented if there was a timer on the lights he thinks there would be very little
impact from those actual lights to the residents and added if there was one resident in close proximity
and did not like it they would certainly not want to put them up. They really would like to have some
holiday cheer around the ice area that everyone uses at night and it's just a way to spruce it up through
the winter.
Member Deeds commented this is not a permanent change to the park in any way, shape or form and if
the neighborhood supports it and is willing to fund it he can't possibly see the objection to it. He
indicated that he does think there needs to be some kind of a process to let the neighborhood know this is
going to be happening.
Member Jones asked what the $1,200 pays for. Ms. Hankinson replied for the first year it would be
putting LED lights on three sides of the warming house and one of the adjacent trees, installation,
removal, storage and any maintenance throughout the time frame they are lit. Member Jones asked if
they are just proposing this for this year to which Ms. Hankinson replied that is something she wanted to
ask. If they do get approval do they need to come back every year and go through the same process?
Member Jones asked who would be the party that would be donating, is it your neighborhood
association? Ms. Hankinson replied the Parkwood Knolls Association she believes is donating $300 out
of the $1,200 and the rest would come from neighbors door to door. She also informed the Park Board
there is a Parkwood Knolls newsletter which goes to the entire neighborhood and she put an article in
that newsletter asking if anyone is opposed, has concerns or questions to contact her.
Chair Steel asked Ms. Kattreh what she would recommend going forward if they make a
recommendation tonight. Ms. Kattreh replied she thinks it would be a good idea to look at it again
before they approve it next year by a neighborhood mailing asking for feedback. Member Hulbert
asked if they approve this couldn't they j ust say if you are doing the same thing next year and as long as
the intention doesn't change they could do the same to which Ms. Kattreh replied absolutely.
Member Jones noted that she would request that the City create some donation agreement so that the
City would be indemnified from any problems that the contractor might experience or anyone else might
experience from this. Ms. Kattreh replied that's true and they could make sure that the potential
contractor is licensed, bonded and insured.
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Member Hulbert made a motion, seconded by Member Dan Peterson, to approve the request with
the stipulation that in subsequent years they notify staff of the intention to do the same and not
expand it.
Member Deeds noted that he does think they probably need to put a notification out to the neighborhood
in terms of process. Member Hulbert asked how wide they would do it to which Member Deeds replied
he would say the neighbors around the perimeter of the park. Member Hulbert commented that
Christmas lights are up all season and he doesn't know what the disagreement is going to be to which
Member Deeds responded he agrees, he just thinks legally they probably have to. Member Kathryn
Peterson stated that the rinks lights are far bigger than the little LEDs.
Ayes: Dan Peterson, Deeds, Jones, Gieseke, Steel, Kathryn Peterson, Jacobson, Hulbert
Nays: Segreto
Motion Carried.
VII.C. 2013-2017 Enterprise Capital Improvement Plans
The Enterprise Managers gave power point presentations explaining their CIP items.
Edina Aquatic Center — Susan Faus — Replace Heaters, Pool Deck Repairs, Bathhouse Roof and Other
Improvements, Replace Pool Filters and Main Pool Boiler.
Member Hulbert asked Ms. Faus if they have looked at repairing the posts to which she replied they
have but because they are buckling straight down into the concrete it was recommended that they replace
the posts at the same time.
Member Deeds asked if the pool itself is still chlorine based or have they gone to a salt base system to
which Ms. Faus replied it's chlorine based. He asked if they have considered going to a salt based
system to which Ms. Faus replied they have not but it is probably something they will take a look at in
the next few years. Member Deeds explained the reason he asks is given the changes that are being
made with the filters would it make sense to do something along those lines at the same time. Ms. Faus
replied it is certainly something they can look into.
Member Jones asked Ms. Kattreh to explain the new process and what those numbers mean as well as
how it is going to function in terms of getting things done during the year. Ms. Kattreh explained they
are entering into a two year CIP process and how it works is staff was asked a couple of months ago, as a
department, to prioritize all of their capital improvement projects. She noted the Parks Department,
including the enterprise facilities, had approximately 78 to 80 capital improvement projects which were
ranked in order from 1 to 80. Staff then submitted those with their descriptions to the Finance
Department and the City Manager for their review and at that time took all of the projects in addition to
all of the departments within the City and gave them priority rankings. They then ranked all of the city's
capital improvements projects on a priority scale from 1 to 7 and those items ranked from 1 to 5 are
likely to receive funding between now and 2015. Those items ranked 6 or 7 are still ranked as important
projects but they don't have the funding in the next two year cycle to be able to fund those. She
explained from the proposed CIP that she emailed to the Park Board three weeks ago was the plan staff
submitted because she wanted to give everyone an opportunity with plenty of time to be able to review
all of those projects. She commented that she realizes it's a lot of information and between then and
October 2nd when the City Council and staff had first opportunity to review that priority system was
where the draft proposal came into play; therefore, you will see a difference in the two proposals. She
indicated that the City Council is very interested in hearing Park Board's input and feedback and just
because a project is ranked a 6 or 7 doesn't necessarily mean that it's not going to receive funding
because City Council needs to hear if you feel some of those projects are more important. Ms. Kattreh
pointed out now having said that there is a finite source of funds to be able to fund these projects which
is why they are not all receiving 1 through 5.
Member Dan Gieseke commented the wall of the new Flowrider that faces 66th Street is all grey cement
and asked if they've talked about beautifying that up. Ms. Faus replied they have planted some trees and
shrubs along that area and they will look at painting it or something to at least change the color.
Braemar Arena — Susie Miller — Wall System Repairs, Replace Zamboni, Make-up Water Tanks, Low E
Ceiling Replacement/West Arena, Painting East Arena, Ballet Room Remodel, Low E Ceiling
Replace/East Arena and Parking Lot Resurfacing.
Member Kathryn Peterson asked what is going to be painted because she is wondering about the $25,000
price tag. Ms. Miller replied it is the walls on the backside and because they are concrete block it is
more expensive because they need to use higher quality paint so they don't have peeling issues.
Member Kathryn Peterson asked if the price to replace the Zamboni included netting out the trade-in
value. Ms. Miller replied no and explained they just replaced one this year and it actually netted out to
be approximately $108,000 with tax after trade-in value which cost a lot less than they expected. She
stated that she is new to the business and it's her understanding they can fluctuate in price and other staff
felt they should keep it at $140,000 and hopefully they will have the same success.
Member Jacobson asked in regards to the Low E Ceiling Replacement are there other alternatives
besides that fabric because it seems like spraying foam may last longer and be more energy efficient.
Ms. Miller replied that this has been determined to be the best. She indicated that recently three of her
staff went to a conference where they found this other product where it was framed in rather than the
cabling and sounds like it's going to be less expensive. She added that Mankato State University just
installed it in their arenas last year and have zero issues, it's super durable and they could not say enough
great things about it.
Member Almog commented she was a figure skater for a long time and remembers the "barn" and from
her perspective she would support painting it because she remembers practicing in there and it was
pretty sketchy. Member O'Leary indicated he was a hockey player and also remembers practicing in the
East Arena and never looked forward to those because it seemed darker, not as friendly and practices
weren't run as well and there was a weird vibe going on. He also noted that he remembers a painting on
the wall of a figure skater. Ms. Miller replied that they will be putting both a hockey player and figure
skater on the wall; however, they do want the figure skaters to feel like it's their home because the
hockey community has kind of taken over the other two arenas with the number of state championship
banners that Edina continues to accumulate. She does agree they need to make it a little more multi-
purpose.
Member Dan Peterson asked Ms. Miller if she had any comments on the priority rating system and does
she agree with all of them to which she replied they are very happy.
Member Jones stated she knows there are going to be other capital improvements that came with the
Hornet's Nest which were not part of last year's CIP and asked Ms. Miller to talk about that. Ms. Miller
responded they are part of the bonding so there is going to be a portion of the bonding. Those items are
relocating the Zamboni room, which provides for safety. That's moving it from the south end to the
north end which provides for safety. The staff are very excited about that. The railing is under
construction right now there a little bit of a challenge because of the wall but it will happen. It's just a
matter of figuring out some minor details. That's to help accommodate the seating that was taken out for
the walkway. The ADA pathway was completed. We shut down for the month of September they had to
open it up the last sat in September because hockey tryouts were going on. They achieved the goal and it
opened on time and it's beautiful.
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Member Gieseke asked what the expected life span is of the more durable ceiling replacement material.
Ms. Miller replied she does not know but the person kept saying "lifetime warranty" so she is assuming
close to 20 years but will double check on that.
Ms. Kattreh asked Ms. Miller to talk about her great plan for repurposing the office and concession area.
Ms. Miller informed the Park Board they have funding from a surplus from 2011 so they are going to
remodel the concession stand and administrative area. She explained when they took over the
concession stand on July 15` it felt very separate from the administrative area. They could not cross
utilize staff. She explained the plan to the Park Board and noted the benefit is they will be able to share
staff and therefore may only need to schedule one person in each area. In addition, the new plan is
actually a little more welcoming and staff will now be more out in the lobby area. She pointed out that
another benefit is they are going to open up some space that could be used for meeting space and
possibly put in a sofa and chair and maybe video equipment and books for coaches. She indicated she
may actually have somebody that will help with the funding of it. She commented since kids spend so
much time at the arena she thought it could also be a place where hockey players and figure skaters can
go and hang out with friends, kind of like a second home. She stated the goal is if it's their second home
they will look to them not only for their regular season ice but for offseason training as well.
Chair Steel indicated the East Arena and Ballet Room costs are the same but are different priority levels
and wondered if there was some strategy behind that. Ms. Miller replied she wasn't involved in the
prioritizing but thinks the benefit of the Ballet Room is they will be able to generate additional revenue
by offering classes as well as renting it out for meeting space. She stated it is functional the way it is
right now but would first like to make a statement to the figure skaters and hockey community by
brightening up the East Arena and making it a place they want to be.
Braemar Golf Course — Todd Anderson — Driving Range Expansion, Carpeting, Slit Drainage 3
Fairways, Clubhouse Roof Replacement, Cart Path Repair/Expansion, Maintenance Equipment
Replacement, Tee Renovation, Clubhouse Remodel.
Member Hulbert stated their packet shows the driving range expansion in 2015 but the presentation
showed 2013-2014 and asked if there was a change. Mr. Anderson responded in 2013 they have
$800,000 and in 2014 they have $200,000. Member Hulbert asked how they will break that up over two
years; are you going to keep the range in operation and just do half at a time. Mr. Anderson replied the
bulk of the construction will be in 2013 but they are trying to reasonably split out some of the costs that
are going to be on the tail end in 2014. Mr. Hulbert asked when they hope to break ground to which Mr.
Anderson replied if it's approved they would be looking at September.
Ms. Kattreh informed the Park Board that as staff they ranked this very high in their priority but on the
draft CIP it's ranked a 7 so at this point in the process there is currently no funding in the CIP for it.
However, they are working with the City Manager and the Finance Department to try to come up with
some viable options to get this project taken care of.
Member Cella stated that in her packet she does not see a listing for the clubhouse remodel to which Mr.
Anderson replied that was his error, he did not submit a form for that. Ms. Kattreh informed the Park
Board this is a slightly different funding source, it doesn't come from the construction fund like the
majority of their projects, it comes from the endowment. The way it works is they still need to submit
the CIP forms to show that it's coming out of the endowment. She noted that was the piece they missed
and apologized for the error and added this is also a new process for staff so they've made a few errors
but they are working with the Finance Department to see if they can still make that addition to the CIP
for this next year. Member Cella asked what the total cost of the clubhouse is to which Mr. Anderson
replied phase I would be $75,000 and the rest would be tables and chairs for approximately $30,000 to
$35,000. Member Cella asked is that well within the Memorial Fund to which it was noted yes.
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Member O'Leary asked if putting up a big net to block the golf balls from going any further was an
option to which Mr. Anderson replied people really don't like netting because anytime you have limited
flight or limited club selection it is not optimal and people do not care for it.
Member Dan Peterson asked Mr. Anderson approximately what's the revenue from the driving range
this year to which Mr. Anderson responded to date they are at $287,000. Member Dan Peterson stated
that it seems to him that a priority 7 is wrong for something that brings in that kind of revenue. He asked
if that million dollars includes the redo of the executive course to make it all par 3 as well as close the
two holes to which Mr. Anderson replied yes. Member Dan Peterson asked what the procedure is to see
if there is support to change the priority ranking on that item. Ms. Kattreh replied it is a hot topic and
they have had a lot of discussion about it at the City Council work session on October 2°d. She stated
that as she had mentioned they are working on trying to determine other potential funding sources, even
bonding and phasing the project. Ms. Kattreh indicated that it is important for her to mention it is a
million dollar project and the overall CIP budget for two years for the entire City is 2.6 million dollars
and that's a problem. She commented that it's not that the City doesn't value or see the need for this
project, it's purely a matter of money; however, it is very important that the City Council hear your
concerns and desires.
Member Jones commented that last year this project was only going to cost about half of that and asked
what happened. Mr. Anderson explained that $550,000 was actually the estimate they had and that the
National Golf Foundation's estimate was $300,000 to $400.000 with the thinking that part of it could be
done in-house which they have found out that is not the case; we really don't have the equipment. The
cost estimates came from the golf course architect and he is currently in the process of getting two
additional cost estimates so they should have a better feel but again the range is $799,000 to 1.3 million.
Member Jones indicated that she understands they are going to increase the size as well as be able to
give the tees a break and asked Mr. Anderson how much revenue he thinks they would be getting if they
were to put this in. Mr. Anderson replied no formal estimates have been made but he is guessing on the
capacity on the public range during peak times would increase by at least 20% which would be
approximately $75,000 to $100,000 but more so than the capacity is the improved turf quality because
they are losing play to other ranges. He indicated they are a one stop destination and if they have a
quality range it would exceed what you would think as far as increased capacity.
Member Jones asked if they will be able to completely redo the golf dome without any capital
improvement. Mr. Anderson replied the insurance money will not totally recover the replacement cost
but they are hoping to get the dome up and running in March, not the building but the dome itself. He
added it's an ongoing battle with the insurance company and there are additional expenses that they
never anticipated as far as building codes. Ms. Kattreh added they are still trying to determine the
overall cost for the replacement of the golf dome and it is another one of those items that might get
added to the CIP at some point in the process before final approval in December.
Member Gieseke asked if there is any capacity to increase fees if they would complete this project as
you see surrounding competitive driving ranges to which Mr. Anderson replied definitely. Member
Gieseke asked by how much, what percentage. Mr. Anderson responded he thinks they could definitely
go up to $9.00 for a large bucket once they have a better range with better turf. Member Gieseke asked
Mr. Anderson if he could imagine a way to phase this in one piece at a time to which Mr. Anderson
replied they really haven't had an architect look at that and tell them what they can do.
Chair Steel asked what the limit is on the CIP and how it is determined and if there is a surplus does that
affect the current CIP or are there opportunities to push projects forward; how does the City go about
that for each of the different areas. Ms. Kattreh replied that some of the surplus does go into the CIP
and there are several different sources of funds for the Construction Fund and in the next year they will
have approximately 2.6 million dollars from a variety of sources that will make up the capital
improvement pool of money. She indicated there is the ability to move projects forwards or backwards
to try to achieve different goals at different times; therefore, if you see projects as a priority in 2013 and
they are ranked in 2015 those are comments that the City Council would like to hear.
Chair Steel asked if the items listed for 2015 through 2017 are based on projections. Ms. Kattreh
explained they are based on staff recommendations; however, if you see a project in 2015 with a rating
of 6 or 7 it likely means it was a project that staff had rated sooner and it was moved up to 2015 for
discussion in the next two year CIP cycle. She pointed out you will see a lot of the projects in 2015
through 2017 have a lower ranking because that is when staff felt that they should be replaced. Chair
Steel asked if they can expect the funding in 2015 through 2017 to stay the same or you have no idea to
which Ms. Kattreh replied they have no idea.
Member Kathryn Peterson indicated there seems to be ample demand for the driving range and it
appears there is no increase in the driving range fees; however, it looks like there are other communities
that do charge more and that there is a lot of demand regardless of the condition of the driving range.
She stated that it seems to her you might be able to increase the fees a little bit and maybe start building
a fund to help pay for some of it. Mr. Anderson replied that peak demand times are very interesting in
that you could be hitting off of concrete and it really wouldn't matter; however, the rest of the time
people are cognizant of the pricing and unless they went to different pricing for peak times and non -peak
times they would have a hard time with that. Member Hulbert asked how often people call to ask if they
are hitting off of mats or grass to which Mr. Anderson replied all of the time. He noted if they had a
greater surface area it would solve a lot of problems and they could raise their price point but it's tough
right now especially when they have a new competitor a few miles away with quality turf.
Member Dan Peterson asked is there any support from the Park Board for moving this to a one or two
priority. Three Park Board members raised their hands.
Centennial Lakes - Tom Shirley - Replace HVAC Units and Replace Park Sound System
Mr. Shirley informed the Park Board there were a number of other items that were on last year's five
year plan that did not make it through this year's process but are putting much more into their operating
budget the next few years rather than the CIP.
Member Jones asked if the speakers at the outdoor skating rink work or do they need to be replaced. Mr.
Shirley replied those speakers are only used during the winter and a couple of them are getting a little
crackly, especially the main ones at the Centrum building. He stated that right now they are all working
but they are going to start failing. Unfortunately, when they find out they are not working, it's going to
be during the winter and then the problem is getting up the poles to replace them. Member Jones asked
if it is possible to separate those speakers from the whole in ground speaker system that is running
throughout the park. Mr. Shirley replied yes, they have a number of amplifiers right now and thinks they
have approximately a dozen amplifiers that are controlled separately so they can turn those off during
the summertime. Member Jones asked about the cost for this project since it is a rated 7 because she is
trying to think about when she is at the park where they experience music. She noted she thinks it
would be important to maintain the sound system if it's broken in the Centrum and outdoor speakers.
She commented for movie night she doesn't know if these are the same speakers, so if they do need to
replace those, she would suggest those be a priority within the next five years. She added she is not sure
about the in ground speakers. Mr. Shirley replied they have a program where they are replacing them
continuously throughout the year and that a lot of them are pretty old. Member Jones asked what it
would cost to replace to which Mr. Shirley replied that it depends on the speaker, how they get to it and
the quality, but they are approximately a $1,000 a speaker. Again, the problem is getting up to the
speakers because that adds a big cost right there.
Edinborough Park — Susan Faus — Replaster Pool, Security Camera System, Pool and Wall Tile, Lift to
Birthday Party Area, Track Floor, Concrete Repairs, Adventure Peak Remodel, North Sidewalk, Track
OJ
Air Conditioning, Adventure Peak Wave Slide, Upstairs Restroom Remodel, Park Boiler, Ramp to
Track, Provider Larger Locker Rooms and Window Washing.
Member Segreto indicated that for concrete repairs it shows a lump sum of $153,000 and asked if some
of the really bad areas that are safety hazards should be given a higher priority. Ms. Faus replied that
they got that number from the City and they recommended replacing the entire area and because of the
current damage and where it's leaking they recommend replacing it all at one time. Ms. Kattreh added
that the $153,000 is to primarily replace the main park entrance concrete including the entrance off of
the parking lot. She indicated that actually what Member Segreto is proposing they are doing in that
they are taking a look at the most serious and potentially dangerous issues that they've attempted to
patch that can no longer just be patched.
Member Segreto stated that it's her recollection that Adventure Peak produces quite a bit of revenue
from birthday parties and is a very popular destination not only for Edina residents but residents across
the Twin Cities. She noted that it concerns her that a number of items related to Adventure Peak are low
priorities and it seems to her that all of the Adventure Peak items should be the same priority. She asked
if City Council would give a little consideration to increasing their priority if this is a revenue stream for
Edinborough. Ms. Faus agreed that Adventure Peak is a primary revenue source for them.
Member Kathryn Peterson asked if they would cement over the existing steps to make the ramp in the
same spot to which Ms. Faus replied yes. Member Kathryn Peterson commented that the price tag of
$41,000 seems really high as well as the pool and wall tile costing almost $190,000 seems like a crazy
amount of money to her. She stated that in her own personal experience working on past projects with
the City it seems the City gets the worst deal ever of everything and it seems like everything costs twice
as much as any of them could go out and find it for. Ms. Kattreh responded that the prices are actually
based on architect estimates so that isn't necessarily what they will end up paying because they rely on
experts to give them estimates. She explained when it actually comes time to doing the projects they
will receive multiple competitive bids for a project like that and would go through a sealed bid process
so therefore they would get the best pricing available. Ms. Kattreh pointed out in regards with the ramp
to the track they actually don't have enough distance to be able to concrete over those steps or to add any
sort of an easy type of a chair access. They will need to build adjacent to those stairs from the windows
in the track all the way down the entrance to the concession stand. It would be approximately a 30 foot
ramp that would be overhanging in the Great Hall and because of the width of those steps there is just no
structural way to do anything within that footprint. She added that amount is in the architects estimate.
Member Dan Peterson asked why not just make the steps a ramp to which Ms. Kattreh replied because
of the code requirements the ramp would not even fit if you were to go from the track door to the
entrance of the concession stand and there is a restroom access right in between so that eliminates that
possibility.
Member Jones commented they are building a ramp to the track; however, the track floor has been given
a priority 7 and is curious what the track floor looks like and what it needs. Ms. Faus replied they did
put that in the initial CIP but it wasn't considered a high priority; however, the condition of the track
floor is definitely worn and there are certain areas where it has worn down and could be a potential
hazard. Member Jones asked if anything else needs to be done on the track level because it doesn't
make logical sense to her if they are going to spend that much money on a ramp to get up there but are
not going to improve the surface of the floor so that once you get there it's not safe is inconsistent. Ms.
Kattreh pointed out that part of the goal in the renovation of Edinborough is to improve its overall
handicap accessibility and that is one area where they are lacking significantly. She thinks that is
probably the reason the rating committee ranked that one a little higher. Member Jones asked if you
took a wheelchair to the track right now would it be safe to which Ms. Faus replied yes she believes it
would be safe.
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Member Jones asked regarding the POS (point of sale system) that is scheduled for 2017 she remembers
last year talking about having the ability to have one POS for all of the enterprises and wondered where
that went. Ms. Kattreh responded they are working in that direction and just installed that POS system at
the Aquatic Center and as the POS are in need of replacement they are working towards the same
system.
Member Jones asked regarding the security system that is scheduled to go in is that a similar system that
is used in the other facilities to which Ms. Kattreh replied yes it's the same system used at City Hall,
Public Works and the Aquatic Center.
Chair Steel stated she feels strongly about moving up the priority for the lift to the Birthday Party area
and noted it's a higher priority than the ramp to the track but the same amount. She noted that it's hard
weighing two different accessibility projects where the ramp to the track is more resident oriented and
the lift to the birthday party area serves fewer Edina residents but nonetheless children. She asked Ms.
Faus for some insight and felt it should be pushed to 2013. Ms. Faus replied again she was not part of
how the projects were prioritized but did note that they currently do have the ability to create another
birthday site by putting people into the amphitheater which does have access. Therefore, personally for
her the priority would be access to the track.
Member Kathryn Peterson commented that she finds the new process to be somewhat frustrating. It
appears to her that it went from staff to the City Council and then Park Board gets to look at it but it
seems like a lot of the priorities have already been decided which begs the question what is the Park
Board's role except to hear presentations and ask questions which she is not sure changes any outcomes.
She indicated that she is a little frustrated as to why they are doing this because to her it would make
sense to go from staff to the Park Board to the City Council. Member Segreto stated that she feels the
same way. Member Deeds commented that if it's going to go from staff to City Council then don't
waste the Park Board's time because that is one hour of his life that he won't get back.
VII.D. 2013 Proposed. Fees and Charges
Member Cella asked why the fee went down for photo shoots in the Great Hall and asked if it had to do
with fewer trees or something. Ms. Faus replied that was a mistake the fee will remain the same as in
2012.
Member Deeds indicated that the golf fees remained the same as in 2012 and noted given the increasing
fuel costs and assorted other things means your cost recovery will go down and you are not keeping up
with inflation and asked why no movement. Mr. Anderson replied because last year they raised the fee
$2.00 for 18 holes and $1.00 for 9 holes in addition to raising the patron card fee by $5.00 and added
they had never done those three things in one year. Member Hulbert asked wasn't it also part of the
study to have an every other year review of the rates and try to keep them consistent for a couple of
years and not jack them up year after year to which Mr. Anderson replied that is correct.
Member Jacobson asked Ms. Kattreh where they stand regarding the folks who live at Edinborough and
the contract they have that is expiring. She asked did they make an agreement to renew or are they
willing to pay fees for using the facility. Ms. Kattreh replied they have not heard a final answer from
any of their neighbors but are still trying to get a contract signed.
VILE. Sports Dome Location Recommendation
Member Jacobson gave the Park Board a recap of where the Sports Dome Committee netted out their
main recommendation. The Committee felt that doming the soccer field at the Braemar Facility was not
enough so they recommended to add on the improvements of Pamela Park fields as kind of a bundled
version and believes it did go to City Council. Ms. Kattreh replied that City Council is looking for a
recommendation from Park Board tonight.
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Member Jacobson explained that one of the main things that the Edina Soccer Club (ESC) is concerned
with is if they put a dome over the soccer field at Braemar they are reducing the size of that field;
therefore, if it's smaller it's less useable which means that they have really gone down on the number of
fields that are of a high quality that can be used for ESC. She noted that is why the recommendation is
to add additional field capacity or add on or improve the Pamela Park soccer field in width so that it is a
useable field for play.
Member Kathryn Peterson commented that she knows one of the things that has come up is possibly
stopping the current practice of resting one of the fields at Lewis Park and asked if that could also be
bundled in terms of an approach to satisfy the concerns that ESC has. Ms. Kattreh replied she did have
that discussion with ESC and they feel with the additional field at Lewis Park it would be most
beneficial in the fall. They do not feel this would be enough of an addition to take the place of what they
could potentially be losing at Braemar if they were to lose the width of that field. However, she thinks it
is something they should take a hard look at with their maintenance crew and with the recommendation
from the Park Board as well it would be helpful to review the use of the Lewis Park fields. Member
Kathryn Peterson asked would the new field at Pamela meet the requirements in terms of the field size
that is being lost. Ms. Kattreh replied they would be very close, the width of the renovated field at
Pamela would be 230 feet and the width of Braemar right now is 240 feet. She pointed out they would
also be proposing to add an upgraded field at Pamela because right now that field space is being used as
practice space. She explained if they were to upgrade to a sand peat type of a field surface it would
definitely be an improved game and practice venue and that is where they would really be getting the net
gain in the field with the addition of the renovation of that field and they would also be improving the
width of the existing senior field.
Member Jones asked to be brought up to speed and asked if there is an approach the City could take to
meet the demands that would satisfy them. Ms. Kattreh explained that prior to the Financial
Committee's review of the CIP this year, the renovation of the fields at Pamela Park would accomplish
this goal. As the review team took a first look at the CIP and the funding sources available they felt the
addition and renovation of the field was not a priority so those fields were moved back and that is where
this glitch came into the process. She commented that was the reason in the delay of the last sports
dome meeting because she was looking for the results of the initial CIP review to try to alleviate the field
problem involving the dome at Braemar.
Chair Steel commented it is her understanding that tonight they are just recommending the location
instead of worrying about the funding. Ms. Kattreh replied they would recommend asking the City
Council to take the next step in hiring a consultant to then look at the Braemar site and determine the
feasibility, the cost and the size of the field that they would be able to put there as well as the dollar
numbers needed to move forward.
Member Jacobson informed the Park Board at the end of their last meeting a suggestion talked about off
the table was that one of the stipulations that City Council had was that they can't look at any school
properties. However, it seemed to them like one of the most economical ways to do this project and
leave Braemar alone. If the City were able to partner with the School District and look at putting a dome
on Kuhlman it would be much cheaper and they would leave their best field alone. Member Hulbert
asked didn't they try that once to which Member Jacobson replied yes.
Member Deeds stated that the current proposal is that the domed Braemar field gets them a dome and
they can say they have a dome and other than that it does not seem to him to be a substantial benefit and
use of public money. He stated that actually it would probably be a net loss in terms of play time if they
simply dome Braemar. He indicated that Kuhlman is the best solution and the idea of doming the large
soccer field at Braemar is convenient, it's easy, it will not be cheap and they will lose field space for it.
He commented that he doesn't see it as beneficial, he has been on the committee and he has gone
through this and at the end of the day it doesn't solve the problem and it will end up costing 1.5 million
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to 3 million dollars to do it and he doesn't support it. He added that if the ESC is not going to support it
and is not going to step up and commit to the hours on it, it doesn't come anywhere close to penciling
out. He pointed out that not only is it an expensive capital improvement but it's a net loss every year in
terms of operating costs because they will have a dome up and taking it down and they don't have a
commitment on the largest tenant to fill it. He commented that as it stands he doesn't think the project
should move forward until some level of understanding is reached. It just doesn't make sense to spend
money for consultants right now on Braemar or move this project forward until something gets worked
out. Mr. Deeds indicated that they were told by City Council that they cannot consider neighborhoods or
school property which meant they had the field at Braemar; they looked at a bunch of other sites that
they knew were never going to work but at the end of the day Braemar is a lousy choice, it doesn't solve
the problem; all it does is allow Edina to say we have a dome. To him it is a lousy use of public money.
Member Kathryn Peterson indicated the ESC response says with some minor tweaks they are ready to
support this and commit to the hours we've discussed. She stated to her minor tweaks doesn't sound like
a different location necessarily and therefore thinks the door might be open to having another field, such
as Pamela, that might be a replacement for that. She noted that at the same time she would agree that
Kuhlman would be the more logical alternative and asked if there was a way to move forward and say
"continue to look at both sites and do some cost comparisons" because she thinks it will show up that
there are some significant cost savings about one location versus the other.
Member Almog asked why Kuhlman Field was ruled out in the first place. Member Kathryn Peterson
replied because at one point in the past there was an active neighborhood group that fought against it,
that was quite some years ago and people change but in some people's memory it is still quite vivid. She
stated she doesn't know if that group still exists and doesn't know if people have the same passion.
Member Cella commented that it was part of a proposal a number of years to dome Kuhlman and there
was a very active neighborhood group of people who surround it that didn't want it in their
neighborhood.
Member Cella pointed out that another problem with Kuhlman would be parking because they are
already at the very line of how many parking spaces they need and that may be an issue. She stated she
also has concerns moving forward with Braemar without specifying a size since size seems to be a huge
issue and the original recommendation of the consultant was saying it could only fit 200 feet and we are
attaching a picture that says 230 feet and the ESC wants 240 feet. Therefore, if they are just throwing
that proposal out without making a recommendation on size or even knowing if the architect could get
more than 200 feet seems to be a waste of a recommendation.
Member Almog asked what is wrong with Braemar. Member Deeds replied the problem isn't
necessarily Braemar because it is a nice field and location; however; the size of the field can be split in
half and they can play 8 and 8 so two games can be played at the same time. He pointed out that if they
shrink the field to fit the dome they lose that capacity.
Member Deed informed the Park Board they are two to three fields short and if they have to shrink a
current field so it can be domed it will actually leave them with a net loss in terms of overall playing
time. It doesn't solve the overall problem they are facing which is they don't have enough full size
playing fields.
Member Jacobson pointed out another thing with doming Braemar field is you can't play on it all
summer and so they are down even one more field so unless they do some kind of improvements to
Pamela they wouldn't have a place to play all summer.
Ms. Kattreh informed the Park Board that for clarification it was not the City Council that decided not to
look at school district sites, it was the School District that asked not to use School District sites and they
passed the word on through the City Council. Secondly, the Braemar site has not yet been studied so
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they don't know how large of a dome could fit on that site. Ms. Kattreh reminded the Park Board that
when the consultants did the study that was the size field they recommended based on the use they
projected in Edina. She indicated if they were to look at the Braemar site they could certainly ask the
consultants to consider two things. First, is there enough width if they cut into the hill on the west side
by the Hornet's Nest to expand that field to a domed field of 230 or 240 feet? She stressed that it's
important to remember that at this point Braemar has not yet been looked at by a consultant. Secondly,
they will want the consultant to look at the size of the dome and figure out how much it's going to cost
to operate the dome and with the revenues it could generate would it work.
Chair Steel noted that her sentiment is more along the lines of Member Deeds that we are not solving an
issue and this is a lot of money. Member Hulbert stated that he agrees with Member Deeds as well as
the last sentence from the Report/Recommendation that states "Staff will continue to pursue land
purchases options and field renovations to improve the quality and quantity of field space in Edina".
Chair Steel indicated that they could recommend that they continue to explore those options and should
an opportunity arise then they will act on it.
Member Gieseke stated that he would like to revisit Kuhlman Field.
Member Jones commented that she is disappointed in the letter they received from ESC because she
doesn't think they realize that without the ESA, EBA, EFA and the community are behind this and are
willing to work towards solutions and are saying yes they really want this and they are willing to do
what it takes. She pointed out that the EBA just said they are willing to work with getting a grant and
they are going to spend association money to make this happen because it will make Edina a better
place. She noted that she remembers getting all sorts of letters in the beginning of the process of people
who really wanted a dome and she is very disappointed after all of staff's time and consultant money
that they are left with a letter that is basically not very helpful and feels if they do try to find a way to
make this work maybe the ESC will agree with it. She commented she has been working with this group
for a while and to be told this at the last minute is quite disappointing.
Member Gieseke pointed out that in all fairness to the ESC they have been voicing these kinds of
objections during the entire process so when this came to fruition these are the results of their last
meeting they objected forcefully and forthrightly. He stated they were honest about it and said this is not
the solution they were looking for. Member Jacobson commented she thinks they would like to take the
letter back if Park Board was willing to say here is a field you can play on but we haven't provided that
option. Member Kathryn Peterson asked is that the minor tweak to which Member Jacobson replied yes.
Member Deeds stated that it's the stipulations: Field Dimensions, Pamela Lighted Field and Pamela
"Net -New". Ms. Kattreh replied that is correct, that is what they were intending and that is what was
included in their original CIP. Member Jones stated she would prefer that staff take a look at this before
they just say we are not going to go any further. Ms. Kattreh replied that she feels very confident that
what they have heard from the ESC is if they were able to dome the existing size field then they would
not feel like it was a loss of field space; however, then their concern is where they would play during the
construction year. They don't feel like there is any field space in Edina and quite frankly they don't
want to go outside of Edina for field space so the issue would be the year of construction.
Chair Steel commented that earlier they were talking about the driving range at the golf course and that
is a very clear project with a very clear return on investment with support and is taking quite a bit of time
to fund. She stated with this project there are all of these questions and issues and thinks they need to
direct their energy a little more strategically.
Member Kathryn Peterson commented that she doesn't read that as being about the dome but reads it as
recovering other field space.
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Member Segreto made a motion, seconded by Chair Steel, to discontinue evaluating Braemar as a
site for the potential domed sports facility and instead remain open to pursue land purchase
options and field renovations to improve the quality and quantity of field space in Edina.
Member Kathryn Peterson asked can they make it more inclusive to not eliminate Braemar but to say
that we want to look at other things.
Member Jones commented that she believes they did look at purchasing property and found that it was
cost prohibitive and found that Braemar was an excellent site given the fact that it already has parking
and is not going to bother any neighbors. She noted it is already flat or relatively flat and it probably has
synergies with the arena and will hopefully improve the arena facility because of the increased activity.
She stated that she thinks it's an excellent site and that there is already a bus from the high school going
there. She knows there are other associations in addition to soccer that are very excited and interested in
making this happen for Edina and therefore feels that looking at other sites doesn't make sense to her.
Of all of the sites that have been looked at this is the best site.
Chair Steel indicated that she sees Member Kathryn Peterson's point about adding the School District
and would like to add that as a friendly amendment.
Chair Steel made a friendly amendment, in addition to land purchase and field renovation options
looking at school district options.
Member Segreto stated she would like in her motion to say she does not want staff to spend a lot of time
in looking for purchase options, they will be open for purchase options and are trying to increase fields
in the City. Member Kathryn Peterson replied she also doesn't want to exclude the Braemar site, she
understands there are shortcomings there but there are limitations here and to say they have to
reasonably work within those limitations. She is okay with the possibility of looking at other sites and
she agrees there probably aren't any except for Kuhlman which is only if the City and School District
can play nice which seems to be a challenge. She stated that she doesn't want to discard Braemar and
based on what the ESC said their acceptance of it can happen there are just other things that have to be
packaged with it.
Member Deeds pointed out that Braemar works as part of a package, it does not work on its own. The
problem he has is if they move this forward in his estimation the City Council is looking so solve this
issue by putting up a dome somewhere so it is off of their plate and they can say they have a dome.
Therefore, Pamela fields being tied in, etc., are going to get completely ignored and that is going to
make the problem worse and not better and will be spending a significant amount of money on it. It
doesn't seem to him like it is a worthwhile investment of public money simply to have a sports dome
that bides three months on one field.
Chair Steel stated that she believes the motion was "not to recommend Braemar Soccer field as the
site but for staff to continue to pursue land options and field renovations to improve the quality
and quantity of field space in Edina." Chair Steel's friendly amendment would be to add school
district's as well. Member Segreto accepted.
Member Gieseke noted that he would like to add specifically Kuhlman field, Member Segreto
accepted.
Member Jones asked to clarify that the motion states that Braemar is no longer going to be considered.
Chair Steel responded it says it does not recommend that Braemar is the site. Member Segreto
responded it states "no positive recommendation to direct further interest in that intent". Member Jones
asked Member Segreto if she is saying we reject the committee's ... Member Segreto responded yes,
based on some of the rationale that Member Deeds presented.
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Member Gieseke indicated he would like to make a different motion to recommend the study of Braemar
because it's a viable option and at the same time they do not recommend moving forward beyond that
point until they can couple that dome site if it does happen with other field renovations and acquiring
more fields and specifically Kuhlman.
Chair Steel asked Member Segreto if she is comfortable with that, they need to vote or she needs to
withdraw the motion. Member Segreto stated that she doesn't want to amend the motion anymore, she
feels there is no payback on this dome. Economically she feels as though maybe it's not the right time
for Edina to be building the dome and would like to keep her motion the way it is.
Member Cella asked are they voting on, which amendments. Chair Steel replied the motion is "to not
recommend the sports dome committee's recommendation of the Braemar Soccer field site and for staff
to continue to pursue school district, particular Kuhlman field, land purchase options and field
renovations to improve the quality and quantity of field space in Edina".
Ayes: Steel, Hulbert, Dan Peterson, Segreto
Nays: Jones, Cella, Deeds, Gieseke, Jacobson, Kathryn Peterson
Motion Failed
Ms. Kattreh indicated if you look at staff's recommendation based on the recommendation from the
committee maybe she didn't word it strongly enough based on the recommendation from the Sports
Dome Committee. Perhaps there needs to be a little bit stronger language regarding the Pamela fields.
Member Kathryn Peterson suggested using words like "requires" or "necessitates" with respect to the
funding of the renovation of the fields at Pamela. Member Deeds stated he thinks their recommendation
should include that no further study of Braemar be undertaken until study and approval of the field
expansion at Pamela Park be approved by the board. Member Kathryn Peterson asked if they could
somehow throw Kuhlman in there. Member Jones asked if they could put not only Pamela but other
fields in both the School District and city because the school district has many fields that could be
upgraded and they have talked about putting a dome over their field and she is thinking about potentially
putting in turf at a field. Member Cella asked if she is talking about the School District paying to turf a
field because they would love to be able to turf more fields; however, that is not in their budget.
Member Deeds replied he thinks what they are talking about is the city and the school district working
and playing well together and figuring out a way to improve fields, such as Creek Valley for example,
with the City's help so that they are more playable and consider a dome on Kuhlman.
Member Cella commented she thinks the Kuhlman dome is going to be a complete non-starter with that
neighborhood and with the parking and thinks they are going to be distracting themselves from the issue
because that whole neighborhood will get whipped into frenzy and you will lose focus on getting a dome
done. Member Deeds commented he thinks if you put up a dome it's not like they are going to be
drawing crowds like they do for football and it's not going to overrun the parking lot. Member Gieseke
indicated that he doesn't understand the parking issue, no activity is going to take place there that is not
taking place there right now and parking is fully functional. Member Cella explained that they have
state requirements of how many parking spaces they need given the amount of buildings they have, if
you are going to add one more activity they are required to count how many activities are potentially in
those buildings. Member Gieseke replied he understands that but they are not adding an activity to
which Member Cella replied they would be adding people coming to a covered over dome that is
currently not used during the winter. Member Gieseke stated that when they do accommodate a football
game and they do accommodate other activities there they have no parking problem and there is no
incremental addition. Member Cella responded she's assuming they would be using it approximately
from November through March and that she doesn't know exactly how they count parking spaces, she
just knows they are on the edge of how many parking spaces they have and it's going to be an issue.
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Member Deeds made a motion, seconded by Member Dan Peterson, that the continued study of
Braemar and the forward motion of the dome should not occur until the issue of expanded playing
fields is addressed, solved, and budgeted for.
Ayes: Dan Peterson, Deeds, Jones, Gieseke, Steel, Kathryn Peterson, Jacobson, Hulbert, Segreto, Cella
Motion Carried.
IX. CORRESPONDENCE AND PETITIONS
Ms. Kattreh indicated the correspondence and petitions she received were included in the packet
regarding Garden Park and the Walnut Ridge Park lighting issues.
X. CHAIR AND BOARD MEMBER COMMENTS
None
XI. STAFF COMMENTS
Ms. Kattreh informed the Park Board they are hoping to have the golf dome up and operational in
February or March 2013. The first bid packages are going out for the fabric and for the turf which are
due on October 30th.
Meeting adjourned at 10:07 pm
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To: Park Board
From: John Keprios, Director
Parks & Recreation Department
Date: November 19, 2012
Subject: Edina Nordic Ski Snowmaking Proposal
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Agenda Item #: VI.A.
Action
Discussion ❑
Information ❑
Action Requested:
Staff requests the Park Board recommend to the City Council that they approve the Edina Nordic Ski
Team's proposal which includes the following:
Permit the Edina Nordic Ski Team to create a cross country skiing loop trail on City -owned
property that is north of Creek Valley Elementary School campus as shown on the attached
map.
Permit the Edina Nordic Ski Team to use the City of Edina's 185 CFJ diesel air compressor
during the winter months at no charge to make snow.
Donate approximately 2 million gallons of water for the purpose of making snow during the
winter months at the High School Campus for the cross country ski trail.
Information / Background:
Attached is a copy of a proposal from the Edina Nordic Ski Team prepared by Assistant Coach Craig
Jarvinen. The Edina Nordic Ski Team is proposing to make snow and move it onto a I km groomed cross
country ski trail to be located on City -owned property just north of the Creek Valley Elementary School
campus. They are requesting permission to build and groom the trail on City -owned property and use it for
their Nordic Ski program. They are also proposing that the trail be made available to the general public
when not being used by the Nordic Ski Team.
They also offer within their proposal to make snow to create a sliding hill for the general public next to
Creek Valley Elementary School. That is the only part of their proposal that staff does not support. We
question the cost/benefit plus the liability/risk exposure for both the City and School District. The City
currently does not have a designated sliding hill in any park mainly due to liability reasons.
The cost to the City of Edina to donate 2 million gallons of water is approximately $2,000. The cost to
donate the use of the compressor is a bit difficult to estimate; however, we do know that it costs $650 per
month to rent one from a private rental company. The City -owned 185 CFJ air compressor machine has a
30 gallon diesel fuel tank that lasts approximately 10 hours on a full tank. To hire a contractor to refill the
tank costs $6.00 per gallon. For our staff to refill the compressor would involve over -time plus fuel
expenses. The oil on the compressor- needs to be changed every 100 hours of use.
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Staff supports their request for these donations. This should be a significant help to the Edina Nordic Ski
Team and will result in a wonderful cross country ski trail for the general public to enjoy during the winter
months. With our unpredictable changing weather climate, this will be a tremendous asset to the Nordic
Ski Team and the general public.
When staff first received this proposal, we asked if they would consider doing this at Braemar Golf Course
instead and moving their program to a groomed loop at the Golf Course. That suggestion was rejected due
to the cost of bussing and they prefer- to have the trail immediately next to the High School campus to take
advantage of what little day light is left at the end of the school day.
Edina Nordic Ski Team Coach Andy Turnbull will present their proposal at the Park Board meeting.
Staff recommends that the Park Board recommend that the City Council approve their proposal with the
exception of the snow -making for the sliding hill.
ATTACHMENTS:
Proposal from the Edina Nordic Ski Team
MAKING SNOW FOR THE EDINA NORDIC SKI TEAM
And for the Edina Community
November 2012
Prepared by Craig Jarvinen,
Edina Nordic Ski Team Assistant Coach
jarvinen@aol.com
The popularity of cross country skiing continues to grow dramatically. However, the quality of the cross
country ski season has always been tied to the quality of snow. Climate change seems to be making this
more extreme, but there is a solution that several high schools in Minnesota have already used to
address the problem — make your own snow.
Snow is a combination of two variables, temperature and precipitation. Precipitation is not all that
predictable, but cold weather is much more predictable. Making snow can be as simple as turning on the
water when it's cold enough. Snow making would be somewhat costly if there were only 7 athletes on
the team, but Edina has a large team with 140 athletes.
There are four locations in the Twin City area that make snow for cross country skiing. The closest is
skiing on the downhill and snow board runs at Hyland Hills in Bloomington, but this is only open to cross
country skiers from 7am to 9am. Middle school athletes can't make it. High school athletes can and do
make use of this from 7am to 8am, but transportation is always an issue for such a small window of
opportunity. Lake Elmo and Maple Grove are simply too far away for practice, but we do hold races in
Maple Grove. Wirth Park is the only other option, but it is incredibly popular and most often too busy to
accommodate Edina athletes on the 2km loop. Wirth Park must give priority to the high schools that use
it as their home course. Edina's home course is Hyland Park reserve, but there is no snow making on the
cross country trails. Wirth Park is the horne course for Minneapolis South and Southwest. The 2012
Minnesota State Nordic Ski Race hosted 11 Minneapolis skiers and 4 Edina skiers.
It is becoming clear to ski teams, that snow making is an essential element in the beginning of every ski
season.
PROPOSAL
The team would like to make enough snow at the base of Gleason Water Tower to create a 1 km
loop almost entirely within Creek Valley Elementary School Park and partially on Creek Valley
Elementary School property. An alternative location would be entirely on high school property
centered on the running track.
We would like to use the City of Edina's 185 CFM diesel air compressor. We need an air
compressor for several days (after the ground freezes) to drive the snow maker.
We would also like the City of Edina to donate city water for snow making, and in exchange, we
will cover the sledding hill at Creek Valley Elementary with snow for sledding and make the cross
country skiing loop available to the Edina community when the tearn is not practicing.
Required elements:
Water— up to 1 million gallons:
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Snowmaker — we are considering a small snowmaker called the Cornice III from CHS
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Air compressor. We would like to use one like this that is owned by the City of Edina:
High pressure water pump. We are considering this model. It is a Shp Davey portable fire pump:
Snow Hose:
Equipment to move the snow into a loop. Track Inc. out of Bloomington, MN has agreed to
donate use of a snow cat to move the snow we make as needed to make our loop. The Tucker
Sno-Cat features all rubber tracks. This feature is not available on any other similar machine.
Unlike steel cleated tracks, the rubber tracks allow us to operate the machine in all types of
terrain without damage to the tracks. The rubber tracks can run on dry pavement, dirt roads,
mud and deep powder snow and frozen ground. Snow can only be made snow on frozen
ground.
Snow making set up using two snowmakers (we plan to use just one snowmaker). Water and
compressed air are the only two ingredients. Our snowmaker also requires increased water
pressure. This is accomplished by adding a portable fire pump between the hydrant and the
snowmaker:
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CONCERNS
We are concerned about the noise created when making snow. The snowmaker, the air
compressor and the pump all produce noise. We are aware of Edina's noise rules and will make
sure that all rules are followed. We intend to address noise issues by making snow as far away
from homes as possible, in areas covered with trees, and on the side of a hill that faces highway
62. Snow making is usually best done at night because the temperatures are usually colder and
snow making is far more efficient. We could also make snow during the day when weather
permits. If we do make snow at night, we will use sound insulation as needed. Sometimes snow
can only be made at night. The temperature needs to be freezing, but humidity is an even more
important factor. Dry conditions are ideal for snow making. Since Minnesota is usually humid,
temperatures need to be well below freezing to make snow.
If there is little natural snow, it is quite possible that our snow making loop could become very
popular. This is a good problem, but it needs to be on radar.
COMMUNITY BENEFITS
If Edina supplies the water, we could also make enough snow to cover the sledding hill at Creek
Valley Elementary School.
The trails are available for anyone to use, not just high school athletes. The team uses the trails
from 3:30 to 5:30 Monday through Friday. The trails are open to anyone for skiing. If there is
little natural snow, the trails could become very popular. Walkers and snowshoers are not
allowed on the trail.
SNOW MAKING LOCATION
The proposed snow making loop (and most desirable spot) is around Gleason Water tower -- in
blue. The sledding hill is outlined in yellow. Snow flake icons represent snow making locations.
The primary location A is just to the east of the water tower. The green outline is the border of
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Location A is the best spot for making snow at Creek Valley Park. The nearest house is over 1000
feet from the snow maker at location A. There is a significant buffer between the house and
location A - a hill covered with trees. No house can be seen from location A.
Location B is an alternate snow making location, but less desirable than location A because it is
not in the center of the trail loop. The nearest house is 700 feet from the snow maker at
location B. There is a buffer between the houses and location B - a stand of trees.
Location C is for making snow on the sledding hill. The nearest house is 350 feet away and there
is only a small buffer — a few trees. This is the only location with a direct line of sight from
houses. However, only the snow maker and pump would be at location C. The air compressor
would be located behind the Creek Valley Elementary School building with no lines of sight to
any house.
This is an alternate snow making loop at the high school. All proposed trails and proposed
locations on this map are on school property. The primary snow making location E for this loop
is at the 50 yard line on the track:
Location E is an alternate snow making location. The best spot for making snow at the high
school is Location E. The nearest house is 560 feet from the snow maker at location E. There is a
significant buffer between the house and location E - a small hill covered with a stand of trees.
The nearest house without a buffer is 800 feet from location E.
Location D is an alternate snow making location, but less desirable than location E because our
grooming equipment is stored at location E. The nearest house is 375 feet from the snow maker
at location D. There is a significant buffer between the houses and location D - a hill covered
with a stand of trees.
REQUEST FROM THE CITY OF EDINA
Water— We would like to the City of Edina to donate up to 1 million gallons of water for snow
making. This amount of water is estimated to be worth about $2,000.
Air Compressor — We would like to use the City of Edina's 185cfm diesel air compressor.
Permission and any required permits. We would like approval to do the following three things:
Operate snow making equipment up to 24 hours a day for up to several days at a time
at least once a year. If we lose snow or need more, we would like to have the option to
do this 2 or 3 more times. We would like to make snow as soon as the ground is frozen.
This usually happens in the end of November or early December.
Operate a snow cat on City and school property to move the snow. This is likely to
happen only once per year and only for one or two days.
PROPOSALSTATUS
Edina High School - Approval from Principal Dr. Bruce Locklear
Creek Valley Elementary School - Tentative approval from Principal Dr. Kari Dahlquist
City of Edina Parks & Recreation
In communication with Ann Kattreh, Assistant Parks & Recreation Director regarding
snow making in Creek Valley Park
City of Edina Health
In communication with Sherry Engelman, Community Health Administrator/ City
Sanitarian regarding noise - proposed equipment locations and proximity to homes has
been determined; equipment noise levels need to be finalized;
City of Edina Public Works
In communication with Dave Goergen, Public Works Coordinator regarding water use —
okay to move forward with proposal to board/council for approvals; winter hydrant use
is okay
In communication about the availability of a city air compressor—availability is good;
To: Park Board
Agenda Item M VI.B.
From: John Keprios, Director Action ❑
Parks & Recreation Department Discussion M
Date: November 19, 2012 Information ❑
Subject: 2013-2017 Parks & Recreation Department capital Improvement Plan
Action Requested:
Park Board is asked to review and provide comments on the proposed 2013-2017 Parks and Recreation
Department Capital Improvement Plan.
Information / Background:
Attached is a copy of the proposed 2013-2017 Parks and Recreation Department Capital Improvement Plan
(Attachment A). A new process was implemented this year that involved a different approach to prioritizing
all City of Edina Capital Improvement Plan projects which led to the proposal shown in Attachment A. This
year, the process began with Department Heads submitting their proposed five-year CIP. This year, the
Edina Parks and Recreation Department staff submitted a five-year- CIP for general parks (See Attachment B)
that included just a few revisions from the 2012-2016 CIP that was adopted by the City Council last year
(See Attachment C). Attachment B shows all project descriptions.
Staff proposed to move the new athletic field development at Pamela Park to the year 2014 and move the
renovation of the senior- athletic field at Pamela to the year 2013. This flip-flop would eliminate the net loss
of a playable field for a year while the senior- field is under renovation.
As explained at the October Park Board meeting, the new CIP point value prioritization process was
implemented in 2012 that resulted in all City CIP projects competing against each other. The other -
significant change is that the City Council will act on and budget for approved CIP projects for a two -year -
period as opposed to the past practice of approving and budgeting for CIP projects for only one year.
Under- the new process, years 3, 4 and 5 would be just for planning purposes. In the end, the Parks and
Recreation Department will receive a collective total of approximately $1.8 million for CIP projects in the
new CIP budget cycle 2013/2014.
As you will notice, the Pamela Park athletic field projects and parking lot expansion projects were not
approved for funding in 2013/2014 budget cycle as requested by Parks and Recreation Department staff.
The only general parks CIP project that was approved for funding in the year 2014 is the replacement of the
Wooddale Park playground equipment, However, $100,000 of the $200,000 project must be raised through
donations for the project to go forward.
The Parks and Recreation Department is fortunate to be appropriated $1.8 million over the next two years
for park improvements. And I believe that good arguments can be made for some of the prioritizations in
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all Departments including the Parks and Recreation Department; however, I don't believe that prioritization
of projects is the bigger- problem. It has been very clear for many years that the capital improvement plan
for the City of Edina is significantly underfunded and that problem needs to be addressed soon. It is going to
become near- impossible to maintain the parks' amazing capital resources without a stronger and sustainable
source of funding. At this rate, the parks will quickly be in a state of decline where it will take a voter -
referendum to bring the parks back to the quality state that residents desire and expect.
The most important lesson I learned from the successful special election parks improvement referendum in
1996 was that voters repeatedly told us that they were very disappointed to have to borrow money to
maintain the parks infrastructure. The overwhelming majority of the past CIP funds have traditionally been
used to maintain the park's infrastructure and not add new amenities that cost even more to maintain. My
philosophy has always been to be sure we have funding we need to maintain before we add anything new or
take on another- subsidy.
Therefore, I strongly encourage the Park Board to forward your comments that the City Council should
focus on and commit to establishing sustainable funding for a Capital Improvement Plan that maintains
existing park infrastructure at a quality level that residents desire and expect.
ATTACHMENTS:
A. Proposed 2013-2017 Parks and Recreation Department Capital Improvement Plan
B. 2013-2017 CIP Submitted by Parks and Recreation Staff
C. 2012-2016 CIP Adopted by City Council
Attachment A
Project# Priority
2013
2014
2015
2016
2017
Total
Department
Pamela Park: New athletic field
PK -07,004
6
Lewis Park: Pathway lighting
Election Equipment Replacement GG -13-002 nla
5
30,000
Pamela Park: South Parking Lot Expansion
PK -10,005
30,000
30,000
HRISIPayroll HR -13,001 2
50,000
150,000
Pamela Park: West Parking Lot Expansion
PK -10-007
200,000
General Government Functions Total
376,000
426,900
1,343,900
562,900
260,000
2,969,700
6
VanValkenburgPark construction
PK -12,002
7
Parks Department Equipment Replacement
140,000
200,000
1,260,000
530,000
150,000
2,280,000
Construction Fund
Lake Edina Park: Pathway
PK -13-003
5
85,000
Highlands Park: Basketball Court
PK -13-004
7
186,000
171,900
83,900
32,900
110,000
584,700
Equipment Replacement Program
5
Weber Park: Playground Equipment
PK -13-007
5
other - 2010 Unassigned Fund Balance
50,000
55,000
Strachauer Park: Playground Equipment
PK -13-009
105,000
General Government Functions Total
376,000
426,900
1,343,900
562,900
260,000
2,969,700
330,000
400,000
40,000
45,000
60,000
650,C00
600,000
83,000 42,325 133,255
25,000
200,000
200,000
100,000
31,600
200,000
650,000
Park Planning and Design PK -13-011 nla 60,000
Park & Recreation Total 650,000 283,000 1,692,325 933,255 881,600
Construction Fund
Equipment Replacement Program
Grants & Donations
Park & Recreation Total
Parks - Aquatic Center
430,000 100,000 1,650,000 800,000 850,000
20,000 83,000 42,325 133,255 31,600
200,000 100,000
330,000
400,000
30,000
40,000
45,000
60,000
75,000
650,000
600,000
310,180
80,000
85,000
25,000
300,000
200,000
200,000
650,000
200,000
100,000
60,000
4,440,180
3,830,000
310,180
300,000
650,000 283,000 1,692,325 933,255 881,600 4,440,160
Replace Heaters AOC -12,002 1 40,000
Pool Deck Repairs AOC -12-003 2 50,000
Bathhouse Roof and Other Improvements AOC -12,004 2 52,000
40,000
50,000
52,000
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Park & Recreation 1
Pamela Park: Renovate senior athletic field
PK -00,033
7
Pamela Park: New athletic field
PK -07,004
6
Lewis Park: Pathway lighting
PK -08,006
5
30,000
Pamela Park: South Parking Lot Expansion
PK -10,005
6
Pamela Park: North Parking Lot Expansion
PK -10,006
6
Pamela Park: West Parking Lot Expansion
PK -10-007
6
Bredesen Park: Comfort Station Renovation
PK -11-006
5
75,000
Normandale Park: Replace Warming House/Shelter
PK -11-007
6
VanValkenburgPark construction
PK -12,002
7
Parks Department Equipment Replacement
PK -13,001
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20,000
Utley Park: Bathrooms Renovation
PKA3.002
1
80,000
Lake Edina Park: Pathway
PK -13-003
5
85,000
Highlands Park: Basketball Court
PK -13-004
7
Garden Park: Baseball Field
PK -13,005
5
300,000
Wooddale Park: Playground Equipment
PK -13-006
5
Weber Park: Playground Equipment
PK -13-007
5
Arden Park: Replace Shelter Building
PK -13-008
5
Strachauer Park: Playground Equipment
PK -13-009
5
Parks Comprehensive Master Plan
PK -13-010
7
330,000
400,000
40,000
45,000
60,000
650,C00
600,000
83,000 42,325 133,255
25,000
200,000
200,000
100,000
31,600
200,000
650,000
Park Planning and Design PK -13-011 nla 60,000
Park & Recreation Total 650,000 283,000 1,692,325 933,255 881,600
Construction Fund
Equipment Replacement Program
Grants & Donations
Park & Recreation Total
Parks - Aquatic Center
430,000 100,000 1,650,000 800,000 850,000
20,000 83,000 42,325 133,255 31,600
200,000 100,000
330,000
400,000
30,000
40,000
45,000
60,000
75,000
650,000
600,000
310,180
80,000
85,000
25,000
300,000
200,000
200,000
650,000
200,000
100,000
60,000
4,440,180
3,830,000
310,180
300,000
650,000 283,000 1,692,325 933,255 881,600 4,440,160
Replace Heaters AOC -12,002 1 40,000
Pool Deck Repairs AOC -12-003 2 50,000
Bathhouse Roof and Other Improvements AOC -12,004 2 52,000
40,000
50,000
52,000
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Project# Priority
2012
2013
2013
2015 2016
Total
Department
Golf Course Total
335,000
770,000
395,000
390,000 320,000
2,210,000
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HRA -11-00i
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1,000,000
1,000,000
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Promenade Phase IV
2,000,000
Promenade Phase III
HRA -11-002
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2,000,000
HRA -11,003
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20QD00
16,000,000
16,200,000
France Ave and TH62 Reconstruction
HRA Total
200,000
3,000,000
16,000,000
19,200,000
5,000,000
5,000,000
AMIDOT
1GO,ODO
3,100,OCO
11,000,000
14,200,000
Tax lucretueut Frurds
I -IRA Tolal
100,000
3,100,000
16,000,000
19,200,000
lLiquor Stores
100,000
50th: Store Remodel
LIQ -02-005
n/a
100,000
300,000
York: Store Remodel
LIQ -09,002
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300,000
10,000
50th: Replace Entrance Door
LIQ -09,003
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20,000
25,000
York: Replace Entrance Door
LIQ -10-003
nla
25,000
50,000
York: Replace Rooftop HVAC
1.I0-10-004
nla
25,000
25,000
20,000
York: LED Signage
LIQ -10-005
nla
20,000
15,000
Vernon: Replace Load Leveler Dock
LIQ -10,006
nla
15,000
25,000
120,000
All Stores: Repairs and Maintenance
LIQ -11-001
nla
35,000
60,000
10,000
50th: LED Lights
LIQ -11-002
n/a
10,000
10,000
Vernon: LED Lights
LIQ -11-003
nla
10,000
20,000
40,000
All Stores: Video 8 Software Upgrades
LIQ -1i-004
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20000
,
25,000
25,000
Vernon: Replace Rooftop HVAC
LIQ -11-005
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30,000
30,000
Vernon: Replace Entrance & Exit Doors
LIQ -11.006
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Liquor Stores Total
365,000
100,000
100,000
100,000 100,000
765,000
365,000
100,000
100,000
100,000 100,000
765,000
Liquor Fund
Liquor Stores Total
365,000
100,000
100,000
100,000 100,000
765,000
1
330,000
Park &Recreation
Pamela Park: Renovate senior athletic field
PK•00.033
n/a
330,000
400,000
Pamela Park: New athletic field
PK -07,004
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400,000
30,000
Lewis Park: Pathway lighting
PK•08-006
n/a
30,000
330,000
Countryside Park: Playground & Pathway
PK -10,004
n/a
330,000
40,000
Pamela Park: South Parking Lot Expansion
PK -10-005
n/a
40000
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45,000
Pamela Park: North Parking Lot Expansion
PK -10-006
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60,000
Pamela Park: West Parking Lot Expansion
PK -10-007
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60,000
150,000
Rosland Park: Pathway Renovation
PK -11,005
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250,000
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Department
Project# Priority
2012
2013
2014
2015
2016
Total
Bredeson Park: Comfort Station Renovation
PK-11-006
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75,000
75,000
Normandale Park: Replace Warming HouselShelter
PK-11-007
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650,000
650,000
Parks Department Equipment Replacement
PK-12,001
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367,500
20,000
83,000
42,325
133,255
646,080
VanValkenburgPark construction
PK-12,002
n/a
600,000
600,000
Park & Recreation Total
947,500
600,000
483,000
692,325
733,255
3,456,080
Construction Fund
580,000
580,000
400,000
650,000
600,000
2,810,000
Equipment Replacement Program
367,500
20,000
83,000
42,325
133,255
646,080
Park & Recreation Total
947,500
600,000
483,000
692,325
733,255
3,456,080
Public Safety
Police to Community Software
PS-11-005
n/a
24,000
24,000
Fire Department Equipment Replacement
PS-12-001
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359,000
195,000
25,000
25,000
604,000
Police Department Equipment Replacement
PS-12-002
n/a
624,809
38,000
824,345
258,925
192,034
1,938,113
Inspections Department Equipment Replacement
PS-12,003
n/a
15,000
15,000
Health Department Equipment Replacement
PS-12-004
n/a
16,500
167500
PD Transcription Software
PS12-005
n/a
13,000
13,000
PD Ballistic Vests
PS-12,006
n/a
34,300
34,300
PD Alarm Billing Software
PS-12,007
n/a
41,040
41,040
PD License Plate Reader
PS-12-008
nla
20,000
20,000
PD Radio Equipment
PS-12,009
nla
150,000
150,000
PD Security Cameras
PS-12-010
nla
75,000
75,000
FD Chest Compression Devices
PS-12-011
nla
28,500
28,500
PD Dispatch Phone System
PS-12,012
n/a
249,425
249,425
PD In-Squad Video System
PS-12-013
n/a
139,425
139,425
Public Safety Total
1,291,234
471,765
859,345
433,925
292,034
3,348,303
Construction rued
41,500
99,340
20,000
150,000
75,000
385,840
Equipment Replacement Progrrun
1,000,309
233,000
839,345
283,925
217,034
2,573,613
PD Special Revenue Fund
249,425
139,425
388,850
Public Safety Total
1,291,234
471,765
859,345
433,925
292,034
3,348,303
Public Works
Concrete Rehab: Parklawn Ave. (France to W 77)
PW-00,074
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450,000
450,000
Reconstruct: W 62nd St. (Oaklawn - France)
PW-01-011
n/a
520,000
520,000
Reconstruct: W 54th St. (Wooddale to France)
PW-01,012
n/a
850,000
850,000
Public Works: Braemar Cold Storage: Improvements
PW-02,006
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40,000
40,000
80,000
Reconstruct: W 58th St (France to Xerxes)
PW-03-005
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629,000
629,000
Reconstruct: W 58th St (Wooddale to France)
PW-04-001
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900,000
900,000
Bridge: 54th Street Bridge
PW-05-003
nla
520,000
520,000
Mill d Overlay: Olinger Blvd (Vernon - Tracy)
PW-05-006
n/a
275,000
275,000
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To: Park Board
From: John Keprios, Director -
Parks and Recreation Department
Date: November 19, 2012
Subject: West Shore Drive Pathway Expansion Proposal
Agenda Item #: VI.C.
Action ❑
Discussion 0
Information ❑
Action Requested:
The Engineering Department is requesting the Park Board's review and comment on an alternative
pathway option which is the resident neighbors' response to the Edina Transportation Commission's
proposal to upgrade West Shore Drive's secondary bicycle route between 64th and 66th Streets.
Information / Background:
The Edina Engineering Department conducted an open house meeting on November- 7, 2012 to receive
input from the neighborhood on a proposal to develop a separate dedicated bicycle route adjacent to
Rosland Park's pathway (see Option A).
The neighbors suggested an alternative as shown in Option B to instead simply widen the existing asphalt
park path to 15 feet.
The Park Board is asked to provide feedback to the City Council on the proposed Option B. The City
Council will consider both options at their December- 11, 2012 Public Hearing at City Hall.
ATTACHMENTS:
• Option A Map
• Option B Map
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To: Park Board
From: John Keprios, Director
Parks & Recreation Department
Date: November 19, 2012
Subject: 2013 Parks and Recreation Department Fees and Charges
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Action Requested:
Staff requests the Park Board's review and comment on the proposed 2013 general Parks and Recreation
Department Fees and Charges schedule. This includes fees and charges for Parks and Recreation
Department recreation programs, the Edina Senior Center and a variety of general parks, athletic fields,
shelter- buildings, picnic shelters and other recreation facilities.
Information / Background:
Enclosed is a copy of the proposed Parks and Recreation Department Fees and Charges. The enclosed
proposed Fees and Charges for 2013 show the increases in fees in bold print.
According to City Code, the Park Board is asked to recommend fees and charges to the City Council. The
philosophy that has long been followed in the City of Edina is that fees and charges are set at a level that
accomplishes the following:
• Users pay their- fair share of the costs associated with the programs and facilities they use today and
should not place that burden on future taxpayers (user- based fee philosophy).
• Keep programs and activities affordable and accessible to the maximum number of residents.
• Cover the costs associated with the activity or facility whenever- possible.
• Find a way to allow all residents to participate in basic recreation programs regardless of their ability
to pay (i.e. Edina Community Foundation Grant In Aid Fund).
We could probably charge higher fees in some cases without seeing a significant drop in participation,
whereas higher fees in other programs would see a significant drop in participation and/or rentals.
Accessibility to all residents, however, may be significantly affected by higher- fees.
Several of the fees and charges that staff are proposing to increase for 2013 are because those fees have not
been increased for the past three or four years.
The most significant proposed increases I wish to point out are those for the Arneson Acres Park Terrace
Room and Gazebo. Our Superintendent of Park Maintenance advised us that the maintenance expenses
have been exceeding the rental revenues for a variety of reasons. Arneson Acres Park Terrace Room is one
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of the few general park facilities (other- than enterprise facilities) that are available to non-residents to rent
for their private use.
Rental statistics show that the Terrace Room was rented 138 times in 2011; 113 times by an Edina resident
and 25 times by a non-resident (approximately 82% by residents and 18% by non-residents). To date, the
Terrace Room has been rented 95 times in 2012 by residents and 25 times by non-residents. Based on the
high demand for this beautiful park facility and the extra cost to maintain the facility, we are recommending a
modest increase for resident rental fees and a significant increase for non-resident rental fees. This should
increase our revenues and may slightly reduce the non-resident demand.
The Park Board's review and comments are greatly appreciated.
ATTACHMENTS:
2013 Proposed Parks and Recreation Department Fees and Charges
2013 PROPOSED PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT
FEES AND CHARGES
ADULT ATHLETIC FEES
PARK AND RECREATION
BASKETBALL
2012
2013
Playground
$36.00
$36.00
Adult Tennis Instruction
$50.00
$50.00
Youth Tennis Instruction
$50.00
$50.00
Pee Wee Tennis
$36.00
$36.00
Team Tennis
$100.00
$100.00
Tennis Cam
$99.00
$99.00
Fab 4 & 5
$77.00
$77.00
Small Wonders
$67.00
$67.00
Cam
$35.00
$35.00
-Safety
6 & 7
$51.00
$51.00
-Super
Cam
$50.00
$50.00
-Cheerleading
Fishing Clinic
$10.00
$10.00
Explorers
$57.00
$57.00
-Highlands
$92.00
$92.00
-Challengers
Travelin' Teens
$92.00
$92.00
Playground Plus
$17.00
$17.00
Boogie
$4.00/per person
$5.001per person
-Barnyard
Sk hawks (Mini Hawks)
$101.00
$101.00
Soccer Camp Sk hawks
$49.00
$49.00
Basketball Camp Sk hawks
$105.00
$105.00
Reach Education Solutions
Varies
Varies
Pre -School Week Workshops/Camps $40.00
$40.00
Age 7 - 11 Camps
$70.00
$70.00
Hip Hop Classes
$50.00
$50.00
Family Classes
$40.00/ air
$40.00/ air
Once Upon a Star Parties
Varies
Varies
Princess Ball
$26.00/couple
$26.00/couple
ADULT ATHLETIC FEES
SUMMER SOFTBALL LEAGUES
BASKETBALL
2012
2013
2012 2013
5 -Man C League $500.00 $505.00
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Men's Resident Team
$425.00
$425.00
Men's Non -Resident Team
$585.00
$585.00
5 -Man B League $500.00 $505.00
Co-Rec Resident Team
$460.00
$460.00
HOCKEY
CO-ReC Non -Resident Team
$620.00
$620.00
4 -Man League $250.00 $250.00
Men's Double Header
Resident Team
$665.00
$665.00
BROOMBALL
Men's Double Header
Non -Resident Team
$825.00
$825.00
Co-Rec League
P$320.00
$320.00
Non -Resident Individual
(up to 4 players)
$26.00
$26.00
CO-REC KICKBALL
VOLLEYBALL
Co-Rec Kickball $125.00 $125.00
Officiated Leagues
$360.00
$365.00
Non -Resident (Individual)
$10.00
$10.00
PARK DEPARTMENT_
RENTALS
2012 2013
2012 2013
General Park Areas
Resident Use/hour $48.00 $50.00
Athletic Fields - Residents Onl
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Per fielder day_ $137.00 $139.00
Resident Use/day
$137.00
$140.00
Per field - per hour $48.00 $50.00
Commercial Use (i.e. TV)/hr
$75.00
$80.00
Per field - per hour $75.00 $77.00
w/li hts
Commercial use with
light/hr
$130.00
$135.00
$700.00
$700.00
Edina Athletic Associations
-Showmobile/day
Field user fee/participant
$11.00
$11.00
Van Valkenburg/Courtney Fields
Residents Only)
Gymnasium user
fee/participant
$11.00
$11.00
Per field/day includes
building
$160.00
$165.00
Outdoor hockey rink user
fee/participant
$11.00
$11.00
Rosland Park Pathway
Utley Park Fire Ring Rental _
Per Hour
$75.00
$75.00
Fire Rin - per da $27.00 $28.00
Per Darr $225.00 $225.00
Arneson Acres Park/Terrace Room Only
Residents
Per hour, first hour $65.00 $80.00
Arneson Acres Park/Terrace Room Only
Non -Residents
Per hour, first hour $78.00 $100.00
Each additional hour up to
3 hours
$40.00
$50.00
Each additional hour up
to 3 hours
$48.00
$70.00
Per day (4 hours or more)
$185.00
$200.00
Per day (4 hours or
more
$222.00
$250.00
Arneson Acres Park/Gazebo Only
Residents
Arneson Acres Park/Gazebo Only
Non -Residents
1/2 da (6 hrs or less)
$65.00
$80.00
'/2 da (6 hrs or less)
$78.00
$100.00
Full da over 6 hours
$100.00
$115.00
Full da over 6 hours
$120.00t
$150.00
Arneson Acres Park/Terrace Room & Gazebo:Arneson Acres Park/Terrace Room & Gazebo:
Residents Non -Residents
Per da 4 hours or more $200.00 $215.00 Per day (4 hours or more) $240.00 $255.00
Per hour, first hour $100.00
$115.00
Per hour, first hour
$120.00 $135.00
Each add'I hour up to 3 hrs $40.00
$55.00
Each add] hour up to 3
hours
$48.00 $65.00
Picnic Shelter Rentals full days
Picnic Shelter Rentals half -da
Chowen Park $42.00 $44.00
Chowen Park $26.00 $28.00
Sherwood Park $42.00 $44.00
Sherwood Park $26.00 $28.00
Wooddale Park $42.00 $44.00
Wooddale Park $26.00 $28.00
Rosland Park $150.00 $155.00
Braemar Park $42.00 $44.00
Park Shelter Buildin s Ren_ tats full da
Park Shelter Buildings Rentals half-day)-
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Cornelia School Park $100.00 $105.00
Cornelia School Park $65.00 $70.00
Todd Park $100.00 $105.00
Todd Park $65.00 $70.00
Walnut Ridge Park $100.00 $105.00
Walnut Ridge Park $65.00 $70.00
Weber Park $100.00 $105.00
Weber Park $65.00 $70.00
EDINA SENIOR CENTER
2012 2013
Fees
Golf League Membership Richards Golf Course
$12.00
$12.00
55+ Softball League Membership Van Valkenbur
$40.00
$50.00
Bowling League Membership
$10.00
$10.00
Edina Senior Center Membership
$17.00/$27.00
$17.00/$27.00
Greeting Cards
$1.50
$1.50
Trips & Tours
$2.50
$2.50
Defensive Driving
$22.004 hr.
class
NA
$22.00 4 hr.
class
NA
Elder Learning Institute Classes
$18.00
$18.00
Card Tournaments
$1.00/person
$1.00/person
Social Card Groups
$.25 per person
per day
$.25 per person
per day
Podiatrist
$2.00/Patient
$2.00/Patient
Community Education
$2.00/person
per class per day
$2.00/person
per class per da
Room Rental
Fireside Room & Classrooms per hour - minimum 2 hours $42.90 $42.90
Fireside Room & Classrooms per da $150.20 $150.20
Gatherin /GRANDVIEW Room per hour - minimum 2 hrs. $53.60 $53.60
Gatherin /GRANDVIEW Room per da $203.80 $203.80
Wall Art Display Rental 15% of sale 15% of sale
Equipment Rental
Television/VCR/DVD
$10.70
$10.70
Overhead Projector
$5.40
$5.40
Portable Screen
$5.40
$5.40