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EDINA PARK BOARD
TUESDAY SEPTEMBER 14, 2004
8:00 P.M.
COMMUNITY ROOM
EDINA CITY HALL
AGENDA
* 1. Approval of August 10, 2004, Park Board Minutes.
*2. 2005 Fees and Charges.
3. Park Assignments Presentation — Linda Presthus.
4. Updates.
A. Tobacco -Free Regulation.
B. Off -Leash Dog Park.
C. Indoor Athletic Field Facility.
D. Gymnasiums.
5. Other.
*6. Adjournment.
*These are agenda items that require or request Park Board action.
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EDINA, MINNESOTA, 55424-1394
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• Memo
To: Edina Park Board.
From: John Keprios, Director
Edina Park and Recreation Department
Date: September 9, 2004
Re: TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 14, 2004, PARK BOARD MEETING STAFF
REPORT.
Enclosed you should find the following items:
1. Tuesday, September 14, 2004, Park Board Agenda.
2. Tuesday, August 10, 2004 Park Board Minutes.
3. Proposed 2005 Fees and Charges.
4. 2005 Braemar Golf Course Proposed Fees & Charges Rationale for Increases.
5. Memo to File "Smoke Free Regulation."
The following is the monthly staff report concerning each item on the agenda with the exception
of Approval of the Minutes and Other. "Other" is listed on the agenda for other information
items (not requiring formal action), last minute items that may come up between now and the
Park Board meeting, plus, cover any other concerns of Park Board members and/or attendees.
PARK BOARD MEETING IN THE
COMMUNITY ROOM
EDINA CITY HALL
4801 WEST 50TH STREET
The Tuesday, September 14, 2004, Park Board meeting will be at 8:00 P.M., in the
Community Room at Edina City Hall. The meeting begins at 8:00 p.m. in accordance with State
Law that prohibits official public meetings to be held prior to the polls closing on election days.
September 14, 2004, is primary elections.
If you are unable to attend, please call either Office Coordinator, Janet Canton, at 826-0435 or
me at 826-0430.
2005 FEES AND CHARGES
I have asked that all of my professional staff be present at the September Park Board meeting to
be available to answer any questions about their proposed fees and charges.
The enclosed proposed fees and charges for 2005 schedule shows new or increased, decreased,
or eliminated fees in bold print. If the fee is not new or different from the previous year, then
the fee appears in regular print.
According to City Code, the Park Board is asked to recommend fees and charges to the City
Council. The philosophy that has long been followed in the City of Edina is that fees and
charges are set at a level that accomplishes the following:
• Users pay their fair share of the costs associated with the programs and facilities they use
today and should not place that burden on future taxpayers (user fee based philosophy).
• Keep programs and activities affordable to the maximum number of residents.
• Cover the costs associated with the activity or facility whenever possible.
• Find a way to allow all residents to participate in basic recreation programs regardless of
their ability to pay (i.e., Kenneth Rosland Scholarship Fund — Edina Foundation).
In other words, we could probably charge higher fees and charges in some cases without seeing a
drop in participation, whereas, higher fees in other programs would see significant drops in
participation and/or rentals. I believe that it is important to keep in mind our mission when
establishing fees and charges. There is a reason why the private sector does not offer a myriad of
Art Centers. Art Centers are not a profitable business, but are a highly valued service for
communities. Some of our enterprise facilities make a profit and some do not. We do our best
to run an efficient business -like enterprise, however, our mission is not to maximize profits.
The mission of the Edina Park and Recreation Department is to do our part in further developing,
preserving, and maintaining the City of Edina's parks, recreation programs, and resources as a
premier and comprehensive park and recreation department in the Twin Cities area.
is The individual mission statements for each facility are:
EDINA ART CENTER
The mission of the Edina Art Center is to provide facilities, program and services that meet and
reflect the needs of its residents and neighbors for participation, education and enjoyment in the
visual arts with emphasis on fine arts.
BRAEMAR AND FRED RICHARDS GOLF COURSES
The missions of the Braemar and Fred Richards Golf Courses are to be premier public golf
facilities; and to make golfing accessible and affordable to primarily, but not exclusively, Edina
residents and yet remain competitively priced with the Twin Cities area.
EDINA SENIOR CENTER
The mission statement of the Edina Senior Center is to provide needed services to all Edina
residents 55 years and older, with major emphasis on recreational, health, social service and
educational programs. Inclusive in this mission statement and the following major areas: special
events, information and referral, dining, health, volunteerism and transportation.
EDINA AQUATIC CENTER
The mission of the Edina Aquatic Center is to be a premier public aquatic facility and to make
swimming accessible and affordable to primarily, but not exclusively, Edina residents and yet
remain competitively priced within the Twin Cities area.
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EDINBOROUGH AND CENTENNIAL LAKES PARK
The mission of Edinborough and Centennial Lakes Park is to be a premier cultural and
recreational oriented facility; and to make the activities, listed below, accessible and affordable
to primarily, but not exclusively, Edina residents and yet remain competitively priced within the
Twin Cities area:
diversified art forms for participants, performers, and observers.
organized athletics (gym, pool and ice surface sports).
recreationally oriented health enhancement activities (such as track, open pool swim, open
gym,
weight lifting, open skating activities).
BRAEMAR ARENA
The mission of the Braemar Arena is to be a premier public ice facility and to make skating
accessible and affordable to primarily, but not exclusively, Edina residents and yet remain
competitively priced within the Twin Cities area.
Formal Park Board action is requested on this agenda item.
PARK ASSIGNMENTS PRESENTATION- LINDA PRESTHUS
Park Board member, Linda Presthus, has been assigned four parks to visit and make
recommendations for short and long-term improvements:
• 1. Kojetin Park
2. McGuire Park
3. Sherwood Park
4. Weber Park
Mrs. Karla Sitek will be giving a presentation on her needs assessment findings to the Park
Board at the October 12th meeting.
UPDATES
I intend to give the Park Board verbal updates on:
A. Tobacco -Free Regulation.
B. Off -Leash Dog Park.
C. Indoor Athletic Field Facility.
D. Gymnasiums.
OTHER
This is also an opportunity for Park Board members and residents to address other concerns.
EDINA PARK BOARD
7:00 P.M.
EDINA COMMUNITY ROOM
EDINA CITY HALL
AUGUST 10, 2004
MEMBERS PRESENT: Mike Damman, George Klus, Karla Sitek, Alice Hulbert, Jeff
Johnson, Floyd Grabiel
MEMBERS ABSENT: Linda Presthus, Jeff Sorem, Andy Finsness, Mike Weiss
STAFF PRESENT: John Keprios, Ed MacHolda, Janet Canton, Vince Cockriel
OTHERS PRESENT: Russille Kimmel, James Zwilling, Susan Simonton, Diane Plunkett
Latham, Dan Latham, Betty Workinger, Jean White, John Haeg,
Rita Carlotto, Kathy Zuspan, Jan Coldman-Carter, Julia Risser,
Naomi Griffith, Richard Griffith
I. NEW EDITOR SUN NEWSPAPER
• Mr. Klus introduced James Zwilling, the new Editor to the Sun Newspaper who is
replacing Laura Walden. Mr. Zwilling asked everyone to feel free to give him a call
anytime they have something they would like to talk to him about.
IL PARK ASSIGNMENT PRESENTATION — GEORGE KLUS
Mr. Klus indicated that his park assignments were Highlands Park, Todd Park and Alden
Park. Mr. Klus stated that Highlands Park is located on Doncaster Way and Ayshire
Boulevard. He noted that the park sits on 44 acres and added that there are several parts
to the park. Mr. Klus pointed out that it has a very large open space to which this year it
was used for soccer fields because of the field shortage they had this year. He noted
usually they have one big soccer field with some practice areas. Mr. Klus added that
there is also an adult softball field located at the park.
Mr. Klus explained that the neighbors on each side of the park have really taken
ownership of the park as well as Highlands School has done some planting. He indicated
that the park has a wooded area with a pathway and noted that there is a lot of wildlife
there. Mr. Klus commented that the Edina Garden Council does a wonderful job at
Highlands Park, which is very much appreciated.
Mr. Klus indicated that the tennis courts get quite a bit of use. He also pointed out that
• with the last referendum new playground equipment was put in.
Mr. Klus again stated that the neighbors really do take care of this park and twice a year
they pick up the trash and cut the weeds. He indicated that the city forester has also been
at the park taking out some of the buckthorn and commented that he has done a nice job.
Mr. Klus stated that Highlands Park has one of the older warming houses. However, the
ice rinks get used all the time but the parking lot is starting to wear out.
Mr. Klus indicated that the next park he visited was Todd Park, which is located on
Vandervork Avenue. He noted that this park was named after T. Lea Todd, who was part
of the Village Council from 1943 to 1968. Mr. Klus pointed out that Todd Park has a
wonderful basketball court, which gets used all the time. There is also a softball field,
tennis courts and playground equipment. Mr. Klus added that Todd Park has some great
open green areas. He informed the Park Board that Todd Park has one of the new
warming houses, which does get used quite a bit. Mr. Klus stated that Todd Park also has
a great wooded area that runs along Minnehaha Creek.
Mr. Klus indicated that the last park he visited was Alden Park, which is located on
Belmore Lane. He stated that the park sits right on the border of Hopkins and Edina. He
noted that it's probably one of the few parks that have been adopted by someone outside
the City of Edina. Mr. Klus commented that there is a little ball diamond that looks like
it hasn't been used all summer to which Mr. MacHolda replied Alden Park is not a
scheduled site. Mr. Klus commented that there is a nice green area, which looks like
something that could be used in the future. He indicated that Alden Park has the worst
playground equipment he has seen. He noted that the best thing about the playground is
probably the surface for the basketball court. Mr. Klus stated that the park sits on
approximately 4 acres, is hilly and sits right in the middle of a neighborhood. He pointed
out that across the street is the Harley Hopkins Park, which is in the City of Hopkins. He
noted it's kind of like the two parks run together with just a street between them. He
added that there were a lot of cigarette butts and thinks perhaps that may be a place where
kids go to smoke. Mr. Klus stated that it looks like the park is hardly ever used, however,
he does think the park does have some potential if the neighborhood wants it.
III. APPROVAL OF THE TUESDAY, JUNE 8, 2004 PARK BOARD MINUTES
Dr. Hulbert indicated that she did have one correction. At the June Park Board meeting
there were two physicians in the community who came to give testimony and one was
addressed as Dr. Dehnel and the woman who testified is Dr. Zuspan and not Ms. Zuspan.
Jeff Johnson MOVED TO APPROVE THE JUNE 8, 2004 PARK BOARD MINUTES.
Mike Damman SECONDED THE MOTION. MINUTES APPROVED.
IV. CONSERVATION LEAGUE OF EDINA — JEAN WHITE
Mr. Klus indicated that Jean White, a member of the Conservation League of Edina, is
here tonight to talk a little bit about the water quality in the parks that they are
monitoring. Ms. White introduced Russille Kimmel from the Nine Mile Town Homes as
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well as Diane Plunkett Latham who is here tonight as a citizen to offer testimony.
(Attached to the minutes is Ms. White's report.)
Dr. Hulbert asked if she understands correctly that from an ecological sense that
duckweed is good and algae is bad to which Ms. White replied that duckweed is sort of a
happy medium. Dr. Hulbert asked if she understands correctly that duckweed is not a
sign of a degraded body of water. Ms. White responded that duckweed is a combination
of different small types of plants that are native, however, it is not an invasive plant. She
noted that Ms. Kimmel could explain the difference a little more carefully. Ms. Kimmel
explained that algae eats nutrients and when duckweed is killed off it goes to the bottom
and creates sludge and that is what the algae eat. She noted that duckweed is naturally
occurring and indicated that there are five species of duckweed in Minnesota. Ms.
Kimmel pointed out that duckweed is carried around from pond to pond by the ducks and
in a way it is like vitamins for the ponds to which the ducks and geese eat. She informed
the Park Board that they have had duckweed harvests at Nine Mile Village.
Mr. Klus asked if duckweed typically has a smell to which Ms. Kimmel replied that
duckweed has no odor dead or alive. She explained that the sludge which is created by
storm drain run-off, killing algae with chemicals, pet droppings and whatever gets in
there creates the sludge which has a horrible odor.
V. UPDATES
• A. Duckweed Control on Highlands Park Pond - Mr. Keprios indicated that as a follow-
up for the treatment of duckweed at Highlands the DNR has denied the city's request for
a permit to treat that duckweed. Mr. Klus asked if the neighbors have been given a copy
of the letter that the DNR sent to which Mr. Cockriel replied he was waiting to hear back
from the Park Board before he contacted the neighbors.
Mr. Keprios pointed out that he believes the DNR had told them ahead of time when they
asked about duckweed is that they preferred to get rid of duckweed without the use of
aquacides. The DNR preferred using a mechanical removal method. However, the
recommendation was to have the City apply for a chemical permit to which has now been
denied. Mr. Keprios indicated that if the neighbors want them to pursue a mechanical
removal that is something that they can request of the Park Board. However, his guess is
that they will probably not do that because it would be a very expensive process.
Ms. Kimmel informed the Park Board that she has lived in Edina for three years and that
she is a citizen biologist as well as a member of the Wetland Help Evaluation Project.
She explained that she goes out and collects macro -invertebrates and plant species and
explained that by doing this they can evaluate the quality of the wetlands. She noted that
she has been involved lifelong in wetland research. She indicated that she is aware of the
Highlands Pond issue and would like to provide some clarity regarding the wetlands. Ms.
Kimmel explained that she has been working on the pond at Nine Mile Village, which is
a degraded pond, which receives street run-off water. She noted that she took pictures of
the pond she has been working with at Nine Mile Village as well as pictures of the pond
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at Colonial Church, which is a neighboring pond that uses a lot of chemicals to kill the
duckweed. She stated that she has proof of what works and what doesn't.
Ms. Kimmel explained that duckweed is very healthy and nutritional for the ponds,
however, algae is not and is a sign of a sick pond. She stated that the little bit of algae
that blooms late in August is okay. Ms. Kimmel explained that when people kill aquatic
plants with copper sulfate the results only last for five to ten days. She indicated that as
dead aquatic plants sink it increases the amount of sludge on the bottom and degrades the
health of the wetland, which in turn kills the birds, reptiles and amphibians.
Ms. Kimmel indicated that when she moved to Nine Mile Village three years ago the
pond had a terrible smell and was full of sludge. She noted that the pond is now healthy
and they did not use any chemicals but rather she put out barley bags. Their chemical -
free approach to treating this pond takes away the nutrients that algae would need to grow
and in turn creates enzymes that eat away the sludge. Ms. Kimmel indicated that they are
now pioneering pond skimming. She then passed around pictures of the Nine Mile
Village Pond, which does not use chemicals and pictures of the Colonial Church Pond,
which does use chemicals. In addition, Colonial Church has storm drains where Nine
Mile Village has to deal with run-off water. She noted that barley clarifies the water.
Mr. Keprios asked Ms. Kimmel if they've done any mechanical removal to which Ms.
Kimmel explained how they have been pond skimming. Mr. Keprios asked doesn't that
have the same negative effect as the chemicals on the invertebrates, etc. Ms. Kimmel
explained that pond skimming is non -chemical. It's the same issue of people not liking it
green and wanting it removed. Mr. Keprios asked aren't some of the smallest life forms
dependent on that vegetation. Ms. Kimmel replied that they are not dependent on the
duckweed. She explained that the problem is when you add a really noxious chemical to
the water, such as copper sulfate, because it kills all of the macro -invertebrates. Mr. Klus
asked aren't you still killing the invertebrates when you are doing manual removal to
which Ms. Kimmel pointed out to think of pond skimming as dusting, just sweeping
across the top. She explained that by doing this and using barley bags on a healthy pond
it reduces the duckweed as well as it clarifies the water. It holistically adds nutrients and
nothing they do harms any life in the pond.
Dr. Hulbert asked why is it okay for Colonial Church to use copper sulfate but it's not
okay for Highlands Pond. Mr. Cockriel replied that because it's a private pond and it's
smaller than 1 %2 acre, therefore, it's not DNR controlled. He also pointed out that if it
were DNR controlled they could apply for a permit because copper sulfate is a registered,
legal substance that is used in Minnesota as long as it's used per label.
Dr. Hulbert asked Mr. Cockriel what ponds he treats as a city to which he replied there
are 40 different ponds throughout the city and none of them are within parkland. If there
is a pond that is enclosed within a park they do not chemically treat it, they leave it as a
natural area. Mr. Cockriel explained that there are quite a few bodies of water that are
owned partially by the city and partially by the homeowners. Therefore, in those cases
they work together and treat for algae only, they do not put in copper sulfate. However,
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that's not to say that they never use copper sulfate because there are occasions where they
have had to keep a narrow waterway open to keep from flooding.
Mr. Klus indicated that he thinks they need to find a way to educate the neighbors on
treating these ponds especially with copper sulfate. He stated that he didn't realize that if
copper sulfate is used it only lasts for a short period of time. He noted that somehow they
need to educate these people. He commented that the letter they received from the DNR
also needs to be shared with the neighbors. Mr. Cockriel responded that he would be
happy to host a neighborhood meeting along with the Conservation League of Edina. Mr.
Klus asked Mr. Keprios and Mr. Cockriel to give the neighbors who attended last
month's meeting a copy of the letter from the DNR as well as some information in a
quick memo.
Ms. Latham commented that between Ms. White, Ms. Kimmel and herself they represent
over six different organizations in Edina. She noted that they are going to run a series of
editorials and letters to the editor as well as they will be talking to their different
organizations to which they will invite the public so they can start educating everyone on
this topic. Ms. Latham commented that she recently looked at Highlands Pond and saw
that across the street there is another very small pond, which has duckweed. She
explained that duckweed could also be transported in mud on the ducks feet so any
waterfowl within flying distance are going to keep bringing it back.
Ms. Latham asked Mr. Keprios if it would be possible for the City to post the Park Board
minutes and agendas on the city's website to which he noted he will see that it is taken
care of
B. Buckthorn Study — Mr. Keprios indicated that he just wanted to update everyone on
the results he received from Prairie Restoration regarding buckthorn and as you will
notice the report is missing a few parks. The two parks, which have the greatest
infestation of buckthorn, are Braemar Park and Bredesen Park to which Prairie
Restoration is aware of. He explained that Prairie Restoration was originally told that we
know there is buckthorn at those two parks so they didn't need to look at it. However,
that direction has now changed and they would like for Prairie Restoration to look at
those two areas and give them some recommendations so that it is consistent throughout
the report. In addition, they would like for them to look at all of the parks including the
open space areas. Therefore, the report is not yet complete. Mr. Keprios stated that the
report isn't to suggest that this is necessarily the exact way they are going to approach it.
He noted that it would be on a future agenda for discussion. He commented that the
reason he put it on the agenda for tonight is to give the Park Board a heads up.
Ms. Latham indicated that she would like to bring to the Park Board's attention that there
were seven parks listed on the report as being suitable for volunteer help. She noted that
she thinks what they meant by this is that there were small amounts of buckthorn at these
parks. She stated that all of the parks are suitable for volunteer help and asked the Park
Board to please accept help from people who would like to volunteer at the parks. Ms.
Latham stressed to the residents that when they read this report to please support the Park
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and Recreation Department and the prioritized parks. She pointed out that not all of the
• parks can be worked on simultaneously and commented that the buckthorn is not going to
go away immediately. Therefore, everyone needs to be patient.
Ms. Latham also reminded everyone that; once the buckthorn is taken out, the stumps
need to be painted right away. She noted that the volunteers cannot paint the stumps
because they are not licensed to deal with chemicals. She pointed out that as a result of
stumps not getting painted the buckthorn that were cut last June are now eight inches
high and the ones that were cut in July are just starting to bud out. Therefore, if they are
going to use Round -up they will have to be sprayed multiple times which takes more than
just painting for the first time or else they will have to be sprayed with a more toxic
chemical. Ms. Latham stated so as part of the plan there will need to be some type of
mechanism for painting these. She noted that perhaps it could be weed inspector or a
retired employee such as Mary Huiras or if the city is willing perhaps to use volunteers to
which she noted she would be right there with her paintbrush. Ms. Latham pointed out
that the stump only needs to be painted on the same day, someone would not have to
follow the chain saw around. She stated that the Buckthorn Abatement Steering
Committee would once again be happy to assist in the planning process.
Mr. Keprios informed the Park Board that there is some people who have taken the
buckthorn cause to an extreme and are likely now in violation of the law. He asked the
Park Board that if any Edina residents approach them and ask if it is mandatory to get rid
of buckthorn the answer is no. Mr. Keprios explained that a new Edina resident recently
received a letter that had the Nature Conservancy Logo on the envelope basically telling
them that they had to get rid of their buckthorn because it is prohibited in Edina. The
letter read "In the course of a survey of your neighborhood we have discovered that you
have thicket of Buckthorn on your property. As you should be aware this is an invasive,
noxious growth, which is prohibited in Edina and must be removed. In the near future we
will place a large sign on the street side of your property notifying the public of this
problem. If the removal of the Buckthorn is not achieved within one week of placing this
sign the necessary steps will be utilized to remove this threat, at your expense, and in the
near future we will place a large sign on the street side of your property noting the
public of this problem that if the removal of buckthorn is not achieved within a week
placing a sign the necessary steps will be utilized to remove the threat at your expense. "
Mr. Keprios noted that it was signed the League of Women Voters of Edina and the
Edina Garden Council. Mr. Keprios stated that there is no way in the world that this
letter came from the League of Women Voters or the Edina Garden Council. He
indicated that he has also contacted the Nature Conservancy and has alerted Edina's
Chief of Police who is going to investigate this. Mr. Keprios asked that if anyone knows
who is doing this to tell them to stop immediately.
C. Lewis Park West Athletic Field Construction - Mr. Keprios informed the Park Board
that the contractor has now pretty much completed all of his work and the field is ready
for seeding. Mr. Keprios commented that if they stay on schedule and the weather
cooperates the field should be playable in June of next year.
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VI. TOBACCO -FREE POLICY
Mr. Klus reviewed part of Mr. Keprios staff report regarding the tobacco policy, which
stated "after giving the Park Board's policy recommendation more thought, I would like
to suggest that the Park Board consider revising their recommendation to the City
Council. As the recommendation stands now, tobacco would not be permitted anywhere
in the parks during scheduled youth athletic games; however, tobacco would be allowed
during practices and scrimmages. In my opinion, the policy should be more consistent
and simplified. At the very least, I would suggest that parks should be tobacco free
during all scheduled youth athletic events, which includes games, scrimmages and
practices. To further simplify the matter, I would also suggest that the Park Board
consider a policy that makes all parks tobacco free at all times except for Braemar Golf
Course and Fred Richards Golf Course where tobacco may used on the course itself As
a matter of parliamentary procedure, this matter should be discussed only if the majority
of those who voted in favor of the current proposal are willing to reopen discussion for
reconsideration. If the majority of those who voted yes choose not to reopen discussion,
then the matter will not be further discussed and the policy will be brought to the City
Council at their August 17`h meeting as proposed at the June 8 Park Board meeting. "
Mr. Klus asked Ms. Canton who voted in favor of the Park Board's recommendations to
which she replied both recommendations passed unanimously.
Mr. Keprios explained that the reason he is bringing this back to the Park Board is to see
if you may want to reconsider your motion otherwise it will go on to the City Council as
it was proposed. Mr. Keprios pointed out that when he presents this recommendation to
the City Council they are going to ask him how they plan on educating; the public about
this policy. People are going to need to be aware that they can smoke if the event is a
scrimmage, however, they cannot smoke if it's a game. He noted that it has been awhile
since the last Park Board meeting and thought some of you may have changed your mind
and may want to simplify the policy. Therefore, he is suggesting that all of the parks be
smoke free with the exception of the two golf courses. Ms. Sitek questioned why the
two golf courses to which Mr. Keprios replied that smoking would only be allowed on
the playing holes. Smoking would not be allowed on the driving range or during golf
lessons. Mr. Damman asked what about smoking outside on the deck to which Mr.
Keprios replied that yes, people can smoke on the deck. Mr. Keprios stated that at the
very least he would ask that the Park Board consider going smoke free during all youth
athletic events.
Mr. Grabiel asked about Centennial Lakes to which Mr. Keprios replied they would make
that smoke-free as well. He indicated that he asked Mr. Shirley and Ms. Kattreh if they
thought this was going to be an issue especially because of the businesses and restaurants.
He noted that both of them didn't seem to think it would become a big issue because the
restaurants and businesses have their own property where they can send their smokers
outside and they would not have to be on park property. Mr. Grabiel stated that as soon
as someone walks out the back door of any of those office buildings and walks down the
steps they are on park property. Therefore, you are going to have people smoking on
park property. Mr. Grabiel pointed out that he used to work at Centennial Lakes and he
knows exactly what the situation is. Dr. Hulbert stated that those people are going to
have to go out the front doors of the office buildings and not the back doors. Mr. Grabiel
stressed that people who smoke cigarettes are not morally deficient. He noted that if
people are worried about smokers setting a bad example at youth athletic events then deal
with that. However, there are not kids walking around the office buildings at Centennial
Lakes and therefore he doesn't think it's right to have the policy that covers all parks
including Centennial Lakes around the office buildings.
Dr. Hulbert asked is she to take it that the Park Board has moved to re -open this issue to
which Mr. Klus replied no. Mr. Klus stated that first he would like to know if as a Park
Board the members who are here are willing to reopen this and if the Park Board does not
unanimously vote to reopen and discuss this then they will not reopen it. Dr. Hulbert
pointed out that not all members present tonight were present at the June Park Board
meeting. Mr. Klus replied he understands that, however, they do have a quorum so it is
officially a Park Board meeting to which they can make that decision. Mr. Klus stated
that his position is that unless each one of us wants to reopen this then we send the
recommendation that we currently have to the City Council. Dr. Hulbert replied that she
doesn't know if that's according to the rules of the system and asked Mr. Klus if he
makes the rules to which he replied no. Dr. Hulbert stated that she thinks the rules state
that it has to be the majority of the members who were in favor of the original motion.
Mr. Klus replied that it was unanimous and there are six Park Board members present
tonight. Dr. Hulbert pointed out that she thinks it's a roll call issue and that the people
who voted in favor should be polled and the people who were not involved in this
discussion at the June Park Board meeting do not have a vote on this. Mr. Keprios stated
that he thinks the way the parliamentary procedure goes is we need a majority of those
who voted in favor of them, not everyone, but if the majority wants to open it for
reconsideration it could again be discussed.
Mr. Damman stated that he would like to reopen the discussion.
Ms. Sitek stated that she thinks the motion should stay the way it is.
Mr. Johnson indicated that he agrees with Mr. Keprios in which it should include all
youth athletic events. Ms. Sitek indicated that she agrees with that too. Mr. Johnson
suggested that they re -open this and add "during all youth athletic events"
Dr. Hulbert commented that she thinks they have to re -open this because it looks foolish
the way it is. She noted that the way it is now it's not workable and people are just going
to think it's silly.
Mr. Grabiel stated that if it's just to consider the question of whether or not it should be
all youth athletic events he wouldn't have a problem with opening it up. However, if
they are going to expand it again and suddenly make a motion to cover all parks under all
circumstances, he would be against that. Mr. Klus pointed out that he doesn't think they
can open it up for all parks because that is something they have already debated. He
noted that it's his feeling as Chair of the Park Board that it was debated and everyone had
a chance to vote on it. Dr. Hulbert disagreed and stated that they did not vote on that,
however, she would like to a vote on the 24/7 policy/ordinance. She noted that when it
was brought to the Park Board by a citizen for us to consider and vote on we didn't. Dr.
Hulbert therefore felt that they should at least give the citizens an answer to what they are
asking. Mr. Keprios stated that he thinks a motion needs to be made to reopen the
discussion.
Alice Hulbert MOVED TO REOPEN THE DISCUSSION. Mike Damman SECONDED
IT.
IN FAVOR: Karla Sitek, Jeff Johnson, Mike Damman, Alice Hulbert
AGAINST: Floyd Grabiel, George Klus
MOTION CARRIED.
Mr. Klus clarified that they are not going to debate the whole smoking policy and re -open
public testimony because that has already been done and we know where the public
stands. He noted that this is a Park Board issue that needs to be clarified.
Dr. Hulbert stated that she would like to move that we vote on whether to make all
facilities tobacco free 24/7. Mr. Klus stated that he doesn't think that is appropriate for
this motion to which Dr. Hulbert replied that they never voted on it and feels they owe to
the people who testified in favor of it to actually vote on it. Dr. Hulbert stressed that she
doesn't think it's reasonable for all of the input they received to not have voted on it. Mr.
Johnson commented that he thought they did vote on it. Ms. Canton pointed out that
there was a motion made for tobacco -free 24/7 on the playgrounds, which failed.
Mr. Klus indicated that before a motion is made he would like to hear everyone's
thoughts on the matter.
Ms. Sitek stated that she thinks they need to make the change to state that it should be
tobacco free at all youth events and leave it at that. Dr. Hulbert asked Ms. Sitek if she
means athletic events or events because there is a big difference. Ms. Sitek replied
athletic events and leave it at that.
Mr. Johnson noted that he agrees with what Ms. Sitek said.
Mr. Damman indicated that he would like to see golf courses still be able to allow
smoking. He noted that he was originally against having Centennial Lakes be a tobacco
free park. However, now that he knows more about it he thinks that if they do go tobacco
free he doesn't think it would be as bad as he originally anticipated. Mr. Damman stated
that he would like to see all of the parks go tobacco free with the exception of the golf
courses. Mr. Klus asked Mr. Damman if he is asking for something more than just no
smoking at athletic events because there are no athletic events at Centennial Lakes to
which Mr. Damman replied that's correct. Mr. Klus asked so this is an addition to what
Mr. Johnson and Ms. Sitek said, you are adding one more piece to it. Mr. Damman
responded that is correct. Mr. Klus asked if he is going with what Mr. Keprios has
suggested in that all parks are to be tobacco free including Centennial Lakes with the
exception of the golf course. Mr. Damman replied that is correct. Ms. Sitek indicated
that she is not for the 24/7 suggestion, however, she is going to play the devil's advocate
and asked why can't people smoke at Centennial Lakes but they can smoke at the golf
courses. She commented that seems ridiculous.
Mr. Grabiel stated that he would support making a change to include games, scrimmages
and practices as scheduled at youth athletic events.
Dr. Hulbert indicated that parks are a place where kids can go and their families know it
will be a healthy, smoke-free environment for them. She commented that most of the
time the parks are smoke-free but not always and there are no guarantees. Dr. Hulbert
pointed out that she thinks it's interesting that the pool has been tobacco free for a long
time and there hasn't been an outcry from the community. She noted that she doesn't
really see any difference in the swimming pool than the playgrounds. She commented
that people are running around in both places where people could step on burning butts
that have been thrown on the ground. Dr. Hulbert indicated that she also doesn't
understand the logic in having youth athletic events isolated as places where people
shouldn't smoke but it's okay to smoke at the playgrounds where kids are playing all
summer, especially with the playground programs going on. She stated that's pretty
arbitrary and illogical. Parks are supposed to be places where people can exercise and
breathe fresh air and it doesn't make sense to have someone smoking, there are plenty of
other places for smokers to go. Mr. Grabiel asked if they should exempt from taxation
for parks those people who are smoking. Dr. Hulbert stated that the majority of the
people in Edina pay to clean up all of the cigarette butts at Centennial Lakes by people
who don't even live in the city but who work at Centennial Lakes. Mr. Grabiel stated
that the people who live in Edina pay to support their parks. Dr. Hulbert replied that they
are not allowed to trash it. Mr. Grabiel noted that there are already ordinances against
litter. Dr. Hulbert pointed out that as far as she is concerned there should be no smoking
in the parks because it's already outlawed through litter, lighting fires and releasing
noxious vapors. Mr. Grabiel stated that maybe they should just ban cigarette smoking all
together to which Dr. Hulbert replied that would be fine with her but she's not the
president.
Mr. Johnson commented that it seems to him that the only place where it is a problem is
at Centennial Lakes because he thinks it's a very rare occurrence to see someone smoking
at the parks. He noted that people can run around the park all they want and they are not
going to get secondhand smoke. He stated that you can't sell him on secondhand smoke
in an outside area unless you're running right behind somebody that's smoking and
hyperventilating behind you. He suggested that maybe we should put a designated
smoking area at Centennial Lakes for the smokers because he really doesn't think this is a
big issue at the parks. Ms. Sitek replied that she agrees. Dr. Hulbert stated that she
thinks when it's not an issue then taking a stand to show your community and youth what
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your values are and that we don't just roll over and not talk about it. Mr. Johnson replied
that he doesn't think they need to take a stand against it if it doesn't happen.
Mr. Keprios pointed out that there is a significant difference between policy and
ordinance. He explained that policy indicates that it's going to be voluntarily self -
enforced. He noted that he thinks by the Park Board setting a policy they are sending a
statement to the community telling them that we prefer they not smoke in the parks
because they would like to have the parks stay a healthy environment for everyone. Mr.
Keprios stated that it's as much a statement as anything. They are not creating a new
law. Mr. Keprios commented that he appreciates the Park Board discussing this again,
because under the Park Board's current recommendation, it would be very difficult for
them to come up with signage as to when it is and isn't okay to smoke at the parks.
Dr. Hulbert indicated that it's overwhelming how much the community wants to see this
happen. It's already happened in Eden Prairie, Bloomington, and Richfield so it's not
like it's some new radical idea. Ms. Sitek replied that she sees the opposite and doesn't
think it's overwhelming and doesn't necessarily think they need to follow those other
cities. Ms. Sitek noted that she agrees with Mr. Johnson in that this issue has gotten way
blown out of proportion. She stated that she has been going to the parks for years and she
just doesn't see people smoking in the parks and if there's a problem with cigarette butts
at Centennial Lakes then put out more ashtrays because people will use them. Dr.
Hulbert responded that all of the office buildings have ashtrays and people still throw
them all over the place. She noted that an ashtray would have to be placed every 20 ft. at
Centennial Lakes. Ms. Sitek stated that if people want to make a statement they can
make it as a parent they don't have to have the city make a statement.
Mr. Klus stated that he is glad they are making this a policy rather than an ordinance
because he does think they are making a statement. He noted that he does have a
problem with having a policy at Centennial Lakes because he doesn't think they would be
able to enforce it. He indicated that he thinks if they find they have issues with it in the
future then they need to come back and revisit it. Mr. Klus pointed out that he
understands one of the issues that Dr. Hulbert has is with the amphitheatre, which she
said is terrible. He noted that if they find they need to revisit that then he would go along
with a recommendation stating there is no smoking allowed during events. Mr. Klus
again stated that he can't see doing this at Centennial Lakes because it's just
unenforceable with all of those people working in those buildings. Mr. Klus stressed that
he doesn't want to see them do anything to the golf courses.
Mr. Klus commented that he thinks the residents are smart enough to not argue with us
and will follow along. He wants to give them credit for being smart enough to help us
not have those smoke-free environments. He wants to give them the opportunity to prove
it to us before we have to crack down to something harder.
Floyd Grabiel MOVED THAT THE TERM ATHLETIC EVENTS IS USED IN THE
POLICY PREVIOUSLY ADOPTED BY THE PARK BOARD WITH THE TERM
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ATHLETIC EVENTS TO INCLUDE GAMES, SCRIMMAGES AND PRACTICES.
Karla Sitek SECONDED THE MOTION.
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
Mr. Keprios again thanked everyone for reconsidering. He really appreciates it.
Alice Hulbert MOVED THAT WE HAVE A TOBACCO FREE PARK SYSTEM IN
EDINA 24/7. Motion failed for lack of SECOND.
Alice Hulbert MOVED TO APPROVE THAT IN EDINA THEY WILL HAVE
TOBACCO FREE PLAY LOTS 24/7. Mr. Klus commented that they have considered
that policy to which Dr. Hulbert replied that they are the only city that ever considered it
and voted it down. Mr. Klus stressed that that motion was made at the June Park Board
meeting and it failed.
Dr. Hulbert MOVED THAT THEY HAVE TOBACCO FREE JULY 4"' FIREWORKS.
Motion failed for lack of SECOND.
Dr. Hulbert MOVED THAT WE HAVE TOBACCO FREE WALKING TRAILS AT
BREDESEN PARK AND ROSLAND PARK FOR PEOPLE WHOM WISH TO
EXERCISE WITHOUT BREATHING SMOKE. Motion failed for lack of SECOND.
Dr. Hulbert MOVED THAT WE HAVE TOBACCO FREE PRACTICE FACILITIES
AT THE GOLF COURSE, THE DRIVING RANGE AND PUTTING GREENS. Motion
failed for lack of SECOND.
Mr. Klus informed the Park Board that he will be out of town when this goes before the
City Council and noted that he has asked Mr. Grabiel and Mr. Damman to attend the City
Council meeting. He stated that he would encourage all of the Park Board members to
attend this meeting because he is sure there will be quite a crowd there. Mr. Klus stated
that he knows that the City Council has always been very good at allowing someone from
the Park Board stand up and give their input on the Park Board's motions. Mr. Klus
commented that he thinks the Park Board has done a great job in discussing this very
tough issue.
VII. OTHER
A. Building At Braemar Park - Mr. Klus informed the Park Board that at the next City
Council meeting they will hopefully pass some type of motion that deals with building
something at Braemar. Mr. Klus commented that the bigger issue that he thinks will
come out of the City Council meeting is how much we will need to look at fundraising
for the building. He indicated that he hopes the associations they've heard from in the
past that want an indoor practice facility will attend this City Council meeting because
they definitely need to be an advocate for the building. Ms. Sitek asked if the
associations are aware that they should be at the City Council meeting. Mr. Klus replied
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he is hoping a notice will be put in the Sun newspaper as well as he has individually
talked to a few of the associations encouraging them to attend. Mr. Klus stated that he
has explained to them that they need to be prepared to raise money for this building
because if the City Council does pass this we'll need to start putting everything together.
B. Park Assignment Presentation — It was noted that Linda Presthus has the next park
presentation assignment.
C. Tri -City Skate Park - Ms. Sitek noted that she would just like to make a quick
comment about the skate park to which it is an awesome facility. She noted everyone
should really stop by and look at it. She commented that she literally drops her son off at
noon and doesn't pick him up until 8:00 pm. Mr. Keprios stated that he is very proud of
the facility and the partnership.
VIII. ADJOURNMENT
Jeff Johnson MOVED TO ADJOURN THE MEETING AT 8:50 P.M. Karla Sitek
SECONDED THE MOTION. MEETING ADJOURNED.
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RESOLU ION NO.
SETTING 2005 PARK AND RECREATION FEES
BE IT RESOLVED that the Edina City Council does hereby approve and set the following 2004
Park and Recreation Fees.
PARK AND RECREATION
ADULT ATHLETIC FEES
2004
2005
PLAYGROUND
$22.00 _
$23.00
ADULT TENNIS INSTRUCTION
$39.0_0
$40.00
YOUTH TENNIS INSTRUCTION
$39.00
$40.00
PEE WEE TENNIS
$28.00
$29.00
TEAM TENNIS
$67.00
$69.00
TENNIS CAMP
$83.00
$85.00
FAB 4 & 5
$51.00
$66.00
_
NATURE CAMP
$55.00
$56.00
SAFETY CAMP
$20.00
$25.00
SUPER 6 & 7
$36.00
$38.00 _
CHEERLEADING CAMP
_
$44.00
BECOME A MAGICIAN
_
$28.00 _
TEA FOR TWO
_
$5.00/person
FISHING CLINIC
_
__$7.00
BALLOON SCULPTING
_
$20.00
MINI HAWK
_
$88.00
CREEPERS, CRITTERS, CRAWLERS
$310.00
$41.00 _
PRE -TEEN PARTY
_
$35.00 _
YOU'RE NOT TOO OLD FOR THIS
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$31.00 _----
WIN TWINS -
$10.00
$12.00
City Hall 1 (952) 927-8861
4801 WEST 50TH STREET FAX (952) 826-0390
EDINA, MINNESOTA 55424-1394 TDD (952) 826-0379
ADULT ATHLETIC FEES
SUMMER SOFTBALL
BASKETBALL
2004
2005
2004
2005
Co-Rec & Mens
Classic League
$400.00
$410.00
5 -Man C League
$470.00
$475.00
Mens/Womens 35 &
Over & Industrial
League
$365.00
$375.00
5 -Man B League
$470.00
$475.00
Non -Resident Fee
Individual
$26.00
$26.00
HOCKEY
Non -Resident Fee
(Team)
$155.00
I
$160.00
4 -Mar League
_j
$250.00
$250.00
VOLLEYBALL
BROOMBALL
Officiated Leagues
$310.00
$315.00
Co-Rec League
1 $250.00
$250.00
Non -Resident
Individual
$10.00
$10.00
CO-REC KICKBALL
CO-REC KICKBALL $125.00
$125.00
City Hall 1 (952) 927-8861
4801 WEST 50TH STREET FAX (952) 826-0390
EDINA, MINNESOTA 55424-1394 TDD (952) 826-0379
AQUATIC CENTER
SEASON TICKETS
RESIDENT FAMILY:
2004
2005
First 2 members
$80.00/$90.00
$80.00/$90.00
Each additional member
$40.00
$40.00
Maximum (8 members)
$330.00
$330.00
RESIDENT INDIVIDUAL:
*40.00/$50.00
*40.00/$50.00
NON-RESIDENT FAMILY:
2004
2005
First 2 members
*$95.00/$105.00
*$95.00/$105.00
Each addition al member
$45.00
$45.00
Maximum (8 members)
$375.00
$375.00
NON-RESIDENT INDIVIDUAL
$50.00/$60.00
$50.00/$60.00
Daily Admission
$8.00
$9.00
Admission after 6 P.M.
$6.00
$7.00
Aquatic Instruction
$92.00
Contracted
* Early Bird Special if purchased no later than May 1, 2005.
ARENA
2004
2005
Hourly Rate (as of 9/95)
$150.00
$155.00
Open skating Youth and Adult
$4.00
$4.00
Skate Rental
$2.00
$2.00
Skate Sharpening
$4.00
$4.00
SEASON TICKETS
set first week of September
RESIDENT FAMILY:
2004
2005
First 2 members
$85.00
$85.00
Each additional member
$5.00
$5.00
Maximum 7persons)
$110.00
$110.00
RESIDENT INDIVIDUAL:
$75.00
$75.00
NON-RESIDENT FAMILY:
2004
First 2 members
$100.00
$100.00
Each additional member
$5.00
$5.00
Maximum 7persons)
$125.00
$125.00
NON-RESIDENT INDIVIDUAL
$85.00
$85.00
CLASSES
$95.00
$95.00
ART CENTER - 2004
Membership rates — FAMILY $40 - $30 INDIVIDUAL
(Edina Resident Members $5.00 off
HOURS @
$6.00/hour
CLASS PRICE
Non -Member, Member
HOURS @
$8.00/hour
WORKSHOP PRICE
(parent/child)
$72/$65
30 $180/$162
9
24 $144/$130
8
$64/$58
22 $132/$119
7
$56/$50
20 $120$108
6
$48/$43
18 $108/$97
5
$40/$36
16 $96/$86
_
- - - - $36/$32
$27/$24
$18/$16
15 $90/$81
HOURS @
$9.00/hour
14 $84/$76
12 $72/$65
4
10 $60/$54
3
9 $54/$492
_
$30/$27
8 $48/$43
_ 1
_- - $9/$8
7 $42/$38
1
$10/$19
ART CENTER - 2005
Membership rates — FAMILY $40 - $30 INDIVIDUAL
(Edina Resident Members $5.00 off
HOURS @
$6.60/hour
CLASS PRICE
Non -Member, Member
HOURS @
$8.00/hour
WORKSHOP PRICE
(parent/child) _
30 $198/$178
24 $158/$143
9
8
$72/$65
$64/$48
22 $145/$131
7
$56/$50
20 $132/$119
6
$48/$43
18 $119/$107
5
$40/$36
16 $106/$95
15 $99/$89
_
HOURS @
$10.00/hour
14 $92/$84
12 $79/$72
4
$40/$36
10 $66/$59
3
_
$30/$27
9 $59/$54
2
$20/$18
8 $53/$47
1
$10/$19
7 $46/$42
BRAEMAR
GOLF COURSE
GREEN FEES
2004
2005
18 hole - non -patron
$32.00
$33.00
18 hole - patron
$24.00
$25.00
9 hole - non -patron
$18.00
$18.00
9 hole - patron
$14.00
$14.00
Junior 18 Hole Rate
$18.00
Junior 9 Hole Rate
$9.00
GROUP FEES - 18 holes
$47.00
$47.00
GROUP FEES - 9 holes
$20.00
$20.00
PATRON CARDS before April 1
2004
2005
Individual
$60.00
$65.00
Executive Course
$25.00
$25.00
PATRON CARDS (after March 31)
2004
2005
Individual
$65.00
$70.00
Executive Course
$25.00
$25.00
COMPUTERIZED HANDICAPS
2004
2005
Resident
$22.00
$22.00
Non -Resident
$27.00
$27.00
LOCKERS
2004
2005
Men's 72 inch
$40.00
$40.00
Men's 42 inch
$30.00
$30.00
Ladies 72 inch
$20.00
$20.00
CLUB STORAGE
$45.00
$45.00
CLUB RENTAL
$8.50
$8.50
PULL CARTS
$3.00
$3.00
GOLF CARS
2004
2005
18 holes
$26.00
$26.00
9 holes
$15.00
$15.00
18 holes/person with disability/s I rider
$16.00
$16.00
Group Car Fees
$36.00
$36.00
GROUP GOLF LESSONS
2004
2005
Adult
$85.00
$85.00
Junior
$42.00
$42.00
BRAEMAR ROOM
2004
2005
Resident - wedding related
$800.00
$800.00
Non-residents - wedding related
$900.00
$900.00
Other events
$350.00/$900.00
$350.00/$900.00
BRAEMAR EXECUTIVE COURSE
GREEN FEES
2004
2005
Adult non -patron
$11.00
$12.00
Adult patron
$9.00
$10.00
Junior - non -patron
$8.00
$8.00
Junior - patron
$7.00
$7.00
Golf Cars (everyone)
$13.00
$13.00
Pull Carts
$2.50
$2.50
Group Fees
$14.00
$14.00
DRIVING RANGE
2004
2005
Large Bucket
$6.50
$6.75
Small Bucket
$4.25
$4.50
Warm -Up Bucket
$2.75
$2.75
FRED
_
RICHARDS GOLF COURSE
GREEN FEES
2004
2005
Adult - non -patron
$11.00
$12.00 _
Adult - patron
_
$9.00
$10.00
Junior - non -patron
$8.00
$8.00
Junior - patron
$7.00
$7.00
Golf Cars (everyone)
$13.00
$13.00
Pull Carts
$2.50
$2.50
Group Fees
$14.00
$14.00
GOLF DOME
2004
2005
Large Bucket
$6.50
$6.75
Senior Bucket
$6.25
$6.50
Time Golf'/2 hour
$9.00
$9.50
Hourly Field Rental
$120.00 1
$120.00
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EDINBOROUGH PARK
2004
2005
Pool & Track Daily Passes $4.00 residents
$5.00 non
residents
$4.00 residents
$5.00 non residents
"POOL & TRACK" SEASON PASSES
2004 2005
Edina Individual
$225.00 $225.00
Each Additional Member
$40.00 $40.00
Maximum (7 Members)
$440.00 $440.00
Non -Edina Individual
$250.00 $250.00
Each Additional Member
$50.00 $50.00
Maximum (7 members)
$530.00 $530.00
Towel Fee
$1.00 $1.00
Locker Rental
$0.25 $0.25
BUILDING RENTALS
EXCLUSIVE RENTAL 2004 2005
NON-EXCLUSIVE
RENTALS/HR
Friday Evening
$2,000.00
$2,000.00
Great Hall
$300.00
$300.00
Saturday Evening
$2,000.00
$2,000.00
Theater
$125.00
$125.00
Prom
$2,500.00
$2,500.00
Grotto
$75.00
$75.00
Adventure
Peak
$125.00
$125.00
Pool (swim
team only)
$25.00
$25.00
Commercial Photo Shoot (hourly)
Any Park Area Blocked Off $ 200.00 $ 200.00
Domestic Photo
Any Park Area
Blocked Off
Shoot
$75.00
(hourly)
$75.00
Grotto
$ 200.00
$ 200.00
Grotto
$ 75.00
$ 75.00
Theatre
$ 200.00
$ 200.00
Theatre
$ 75.00
$ 75.00
Great Hall
$ 300.00
$ 300.00
Great Hall
$ 75.00
$ 75.00
EDINBOROU'GH
PARK "PLAYPARK"
Weekend Rental -
Full Evening 6 PM -12 AM
Paddle Boats
2004
2005
Playpark Daily Admission:
4 person boat %2 hr
$6.00 $6.00
Resident
$4.00/person
$4.00/person
Non-resident
$5.00/person
$5.00/person
Children Under 12 Months
FREE
FREE
Adults
Free With Paid Child
Free With Paid Child
Edinborou h Association Members Daily Pass
$2.00
$2.00
Pla park Punch Pass - 10 Uses
Amphitheater Rental
Amphitheater Rental $200.00 $200.00
Lawn Games
Per Court $12.00/hr $12.00/hr
Resident
$35.00
$35.00
Non-resident
$40.00
$40.00
Resident:
First Member
$75.00
$75.00
Each Additional Member
$55.00
$55.00
Maximum "7" Members
$405.00
$405.00
Non -Resident:
First Member
$100.00
$100.00
Each Additional Member
$80.00
$80.00
Maximum "7" Members
$580.00
$580.00
Total Facility Daily Admission:
Resident
_
$6.00
$6.00
Non-resident
$8.00
$8.00
CENTENNIAL LAKES
Rental Concession Items
Weekend Rental -
Full Evening 6 PM -12 AM
Paddle Boats
2004 2005
2004 2005
4 person boat %2 hr
$6.00 $6.00
Friday evening
$825.00 $850.00
Winter sled per hr
$5.00 $6.00
Saturday evening
$825.00 $850.00
Ice Skates $4.00 $4.00
BUILDING RENTALS
Champion Putting
9 hole $4.00 $4.00
'/2 day - Salon M-TH
$175.00
$175.00
18 hole $7.50 $7.50
Sunday -'/2 day Salon
$275.00
$275.00
Amphitheater Rental
Amphitheater Rental $200.00 $200.00
Lawn Games
Per Court $12.00/hr $12.00/hr
COMMERCIAL PHOTO
SHOOT
$50.00/hr
$50.00/hr
PARK DEPARTMENT RENTALS
General Park Areas:
Van Valkenburg/Courtney Fields
Residents Only)
2004
2005
2004
2005
Resident Use/hour
$40.00
$42.00
Per field/day includes
building
$155.00
$155.00
Resident Use/day
$120.00
$125.00
Edina Athletic Associations
Commercial Use (i.e.
TV)/hour
$65.00
$70.00
Field User
fee/participant
$8.00
$8.00
Commercial use with
light/hour
$120.00
$125.00
Edina Hockey Association
Outdoor Hockey Rink
Picnic shelter/day -
Cornelia
$125.00
I
$130.00
I
Field User
fee/participant
$8.00
$8.00
Showmobile/day
1 $700.00
$700.00
Park Shelter Buildings half-day)
Athletic Fields - Residents
Onl :
Weber Park
$55.00
$60.00
Per field - per day
$120.00
$125.00
Cornelia School
Park
$55.00
$60.00
Per field - per hour
$40.00
$42.00
Todd Park
$55.00
$60.00
Per field - per hour
(with lights)
$62.00
$65.00
Walnut Ridge Park
$55.00
$60.00
ARNESON ACRES PARK/TERRACE ROOM ONLY
Park Shelter Buildings (full-day)
Per hour, first hour
$40.00
$42.00
Weber Park
$80.00
$90.00
Each additional hour up
to 3 hours
$30.00
$32.00
Cornelia School Park
$80.00
$90.00
Per day (4 hours or
more)
$130.00
$135.00
Todd Park
$80.00
$90.00
ARNESON ACRES PARK/GAZEBO ONLY
Walnut Ridge Park
1 $80.00 1
$90.00
Y2 day (6 hrs or less)
$30.00
$32.00
Rosland Park Pathway:
Full day (over 6 hours)
$60.00
$64.00
Per hour
$55.00
$55.00
Arneson Acres Terrace Room/Gazebo:
Per day
$210.00
$210.00
Per day (4 hours or
more)
$150.00
$155.00
Per hour, first hour
$55.00
$60.00
Each additional hour up
to 3 hours
$30.00
$32.00
•
PEGGY KELLY MEDIA ARTS STUDIOS
DO -IT YOURSELF
2004
2005
EQUIPMENT
2004
2005
SERVICES
HOURLY
RENTAL
2 DAY
FEE
RENTAL
Transfer movies to video
$16.00/
$18.00/
35mm Slide
$20.00
$20.00
VHS tape or DVD disk
$40.00
$40.00
Projector
Pictures or slides to video
$16.00/
$18.00/
VHS Camcorder
$25.00
$25.00
(album)
$40.00
$40.00
Audio Dubbing or
$14.00
$14.00/
Overhead
new
Transfer
$40.00
$40.00
Projector
$20.00
$20.00
old $15.00
Digital Video Editing
$20.00/
$20.00/
Opaque
$25.00
$25.00
$50.00*
$50.00
Projector
35mm Photo Copies
$12.00
$12.00
16mm Movie
$30.00
$30.00
$40.00
NA
Projector
35mm Slide Copies
$12.00
$12.00
Super 8mm
$30.00
$30.00
$40.00
NA
Projector with
sound
VHS Video Copies
$6.00
$7.00
8mm Movie
$25.00
$25.00
(up to 3 at one time)
Projector
Studio does it
$12.00
$14.00
Foreign Conversion
$12.00
$14.00
Lowell Light Kit
$20.00
$20.00
(PAL, SECAM)
Studio does it
$18.00
$21.00
Laminator/Heat Press
$5.00
NA
Movie screen
$5.00
$5.00
Audio Cassette Dupl.
$1.00/
$1.00/
copy
cop
Customer provides blank cassettes (video and
audio), film and lamination supplies.
* STUDIO COPYING/TRANSFERRING
PHOTO/VIDEO STUDIO RENTAL
2004
2005
Photo Studio - not staffed
$20.00 member
$20.00 member
non-members pay add'I
non-members pay add'I
daily access fee
daily access fee
COMPUTER OPEN STUDIO TIME
2004
2005
Macintosh G3 or Compaq 266 Mhz PC
$10.00/hr.
$12.00/hr.
(includes use of Adobe Photoshop, PageMaker and
non-members pay
non-members pay an
Illustrator software with Epson Color Stylus
an add'I $10.00
add'I $10.00 daily
printing - prints purchased separately)
daily access fee
access fee
MEMBERSHIP
2004
2005
One da /one visit pass - $10.00
$15.00
$15.00
Annual Individual Membership 12 months
$30.00
$30.00
Annual Family Membership (12 months)
$40.00
$40.00
EDINA SENIOR CENTER
FEES
2004
2005
Golf League Membership Richards Golf Course
$10.00
$10.00
55+ Softball League Membership (Van Valkenburg)
$30.00
$35.00
Volleyball League Membership
$15.00
NA
Bowling League Membership
$10.00
$10.00
Edina Senior Center Membership
$16.00
$16.00
Greeting Cards
$1.00
Trips & Tours
$2.50
Defensive Driving
$19.00 4 hr. class
$24.00 8 hr. class
Elder Learning Institute Classes
$17.00
Dance Lessons (Square, Line & Ta
15% of fee
Card Tournaments
$1.00/person
Social Card Groups
$.25 per person
perday
Art Center
$1,200 per year
Podiatrist
$1.00/Patient
Community Educations
$2.00/person per
class per day
ROOM RENTAL
Fireside Room & Classrooms per hour - minimum 2 hours
$35.00
$35.00
Fireside Room & Classrooms per da
$135.00
$135.00
Gathering/GRANDVIEW Room per hour - minimum 2 hours
$45.00
$45.00
Gatherin /GRANDVIEW Room per da
$185.00
$185.00
Wall Art Display Rental
15% of Sale
15% of Sale
EQUIPMENT RENTAL
Television/VCR/DVD
$10.00
$10.00
Overhead Projector
-
Portable Screen Screen
$5.00
$5.00
$5.00
$5.00
ATTEST:
City Clerk Mayor
STATE OF MINNESOTA )
COUNTY OF HENNEPIN )SS
CITY OF EDINA )
CERTIFICATE OF CITY CLERK
I, the undersigned duly appointed and acting City Clerk for the City of Edina do hereby
certify that the attached and foregoing Resolution was duly adopted by the Edina City
Council at its Regular Meeting of December and as recorded in the Minutes of
said Regular Meeting.
WITNESS my hand and seal of said City this day of
® 20 -__-
City Clerk
2005 Braemar Golf Course Proposed Fees & Charges
Rationale for Increases:
The Golf market has become very competitive. Outlying courses
faced with shrinking market share have embarked on discounting. A
golf course in Jordan offers golf with a cart for $25 during weekdays.
This is due mostly to the addition of over 110 new public courses to
our metropolitan area in less than 25 years.
For 2005 1 am recommending a $1 increase in the 18 -hole cost of
golf. This amounts to a 3% increase. Braemar remains in the upper
middle zone of public course costs. We are slightly above
Minneapolis and St. Paul public courses and below upscale, privately
owned public facilities.
In 2005 we are increasing the patron card by $5. The last increase
was in 1999.
A new junior fee is proposed for 2005. A junior golfer is presently
faced with paying the full $33 for golf. Braemar does offer a 10 round
pass for $120. This is working well for our regular juniors, but is
rather steep for the occasional junior golfer. We would like to
encourage more opportunities for family golf and not have the price
point be the barrier. These juniors are our future customers and we
would like them to start here and stay here. This rate would be IN
effect Monday through Friday and after 3:00 p.m. on weekends.
BRAEMAR GOLF COURSE FEES -COMPARATIVE 2003, 2004 & 2005
ITEM
2003
2004
2005
PATRON CARDS: regulation course (individual)
65.00
65.00
70.00
*$5 off prior to April 15t*
executive courses (individual)
25.00
25.00
25.00
COMPUTERIZED HANDICAPS: resident
22.00
22.00
22.00
non-resident
26.00
27.00
27.00
LOCKERS: men's 72"
40.00
40.00
40.00
men's 42"
30.00
30.00
30.00
women's 72"
20.00
20.00
20.00
CLUB STORAGE
45.00
45.00
45.00
CLUB RENTAL
8.50
8.50
8.50
PULL CARTS
3.00
3.00
3.00
GOLF CARS: 18 holes
26.00
26.00
26.00
9 holes
15.00
15.00
15.00
18 holes single handicap person
16.00
16.00
16.00
18 hole group cart fee
36.00
36.00
36.00
GROUP GOLF LESSONS: adult
85.00
85.00
junior
40.00
42.00
42.00
GOLF RANGE: large bucket
6.25
6.50
6.75
small bucket
4.00
4.25
4.50
0 warm-up bucket
2.50
2.50
2.75
GREENS FEES: 18 hole non -patron
31.00
32.00
33.00
18 hole patron
23.00
24.00
25.00
9 hole non -patron
18.00
18.00
18.00
9 hole patron
13.00
14.00
14.00
18 hole group fee
46.00
47.00
47.00
9 hole group fee
20.00
20.00
20.00
18 hole junior
18.00
9 hole junior
9.00
BRAEMAR EXECUTIVE COURSE and RICHARDS EXECUTIVE COURSE:
adult non -patron
11.00
11.00
12.00
adult patron
9.00
9.00
10.00
junior non -patron
8.00
8.00
8.00
junior patron
6.50
7.00
7.00
golf cars
13.00
13.00
13.00
pull carts
2.50
2.50
2.50
group fees
14.00
14.00
14.00
GOLF DOME: regular bucket
6.25
6.50
6.75
senior bucket
6.00
6.25
6.50
time golf %2 hour
8.75
9.00
9.50
hourly field rental
110.00
110.00
120.00
BRAEMAR ROOM: wedding related (resident)
750.00
800.00
800.00
wedding related (non-resident)
850.00
900.00
900.00
other events
275-850
350-900
350-900
John Keprios, Director
Edina Park & Recreation Department
4801 West 50th Street
Edina, MN 55424
Office (952) 826-0430
FAX (952) 826-0385
Jkeprios@cl.edina.nm.us
Memo
To: FILE
From: John Kep4Cocil
CC: Mayor anMembers, Edina Park Board, and Gordon Hughes.
Date: September 1, 2004
Re: TOBACCO -FREE REGULATION.
At their Tuesday, August 17, 2004, meeting, the City Council voted unanimously to direct the
Park Director to establish an additional Regulation, under the authority granted the Park
Director in Code 1230.06, to make all Edina parks tobacco -free.
After having discussed the implementation of this new regulation with staff, I have decided to
make this new regulation effective as of Friday, October 15, 2004. This new regulation
prohibits the use of all forms of tobacco in all Edina parks both indoor and outdoor.
•
September 2, 2004
City of UnLi
Dave Sabie
Property Services
Minneapolis City Hall
350 South 5th Street
Minneapolis, MN 55415
Dear Mr. Sabie:
The cities of St. Louis Park and Edina are very interested in pursuing a lease agreement
with the City of Minneapolis to use the Minneapolis Water Works property located at
40`h Street and France Avenue for the purpose of using the property as an off -leash dog
site.
PLAN A (Edina, St. Louis Park, and Minneaaolis Park Board)
After discussing the matter with Cindy Walsh, Director of Parks and Recreation for St.
Louis Park, we would like to propose two options for your consideration. I understand
from what you have shared with me that the Minneapolis Park Board still has an interest
in utilizing this property as another off -leash dog park site for their Minneapolis
residents. The cities of Edina and St. Louis Park are still willing to enter into the Joint
Powers Agreement (copy enclosed) that was established three years ago. You also shared
with me that the Minneapolis Park Board might only be interested in paying for part of
the capital costs, such as fencing and parking, but no longer interested in other
responsibilities as outlined in the Joint Powers Agreement. If the Minneapolis Park
Board is willing to accept all of the conditions as outlined in the enclosed Joint Powers
Agreement, then St. Louis Park and Edina would be interested in a three -party lease
agreement with the City of Minneapolis.
PLAN B (Edina and St. Louis Park)
If the Minneapolis Park Board does not agree to the enclosed Joint Powers Agreement,
then the cities of Edina and St. Louis Park would propose that our two cities enter into a
two -city (Edina and St. Louis Park) lease agreement with the City of Minneapolis. I am
confident that Edina and St. Louis Park could successfully enter into a Joint Powers
Agreement between the two cities regarding the operation, maintenance and enforcement
of the off -leash dog park.
Under either scenario (Plan A or Plan B), we would ask of the City of Minneapolis to
enter into a lease agreement that would agree to the following:
1. Provide a lease agreement for approximately 4 acres of property as outlined in the
attached aerial photograph for use as an off -leash dog park only.
City Hall (952) 927-8861
4801 WEST 50TH STREET
EDINA, MINNESOTA 55424-1394 FAX (952) 826-0390
TDD (952) 826-0379
2. Provide a lease for a minimum of 2 -year trial period (but preferably 3 -years) with
the intent to continue to extend the lease agreement if all parties wish to continue.
3. Allow placement of a portable restroom somewhere in the vicinity of the off -leash
area.
4. Allow for the creation of off-street hard -surface or gravel -surface parking for a
minimum of 10-12 vehicles near the Minneapolis water works building.
5. Off -leash site rules and regulations posted at the site.
6. Allow participating cities to place chain link fencing around the perimeter of the
defined off -leash dog park site.
7. Allow participating cities to clear under -story brush and vegetation within the
designated off -leash dog park site.
8. Permit placement of signs, trash receptacles, and plastic bag stations as needed for
the off -leash dog park (all maintained by participating cities).
Under Plan A, the three -city Joint Powers Agreement states that "Minneapolis and the
MPRB will indemnify and hold harmless the cities of St. Louis Park and Edina from
any and all claims, including attorneys fees expended in defense of such claims,
relating in any way to the operation and maintenance of the dog park." Under Plan B,
the cities of Edina and St. Louis Park would ask for a similar indemnification from
the City of Minneapolis.
Under either Plan A or Plan B, any lease agreement would be subject to approval of
each jurisdiction's elected officials which would likely not occur until after another
round of public input.
We understand that the Minneapolis Water Works professional staff has concerns
about security and access to their building facility. I am confident that all parties
involved will be flexible and understanding as needed to address everyone's
concerns.
Si ely,
J eprio erector
Edina Park and Recreation Department
Enclosures: Aerial photo map.
Joint Powers Agreement.
Cc: Gordon Hughes, Edina City Manager
Cindy Walsh, Director St. Louis Park Parks & Recreation Department
J
Off -Leash Dog Area Feasibility Study
Ingraham & Associates was hired by the City of Edina to evaluate locations within the
City for a potential off -leash dog area. As part of the study process meetings were held
with the Edina Animal Control Officer, Braemar Golf Course staff and Edina Park staff.
Site visits were made to city park and open space sites and cities and counties that operate
off -leash dog park areas were contacted. The following is background information, a
site -by -site comparison and our recommendations.
Introduction and Background Information
0 What is an off -leash dog area?
An off -leash dog area is a defined area where dogs are allowed to play and walk off -
leash. Dog areas or dog parks are designed to allow an exercise area for dogs and act as a
social area for pet owners. Current city regulations require dogs to be on a leash or
within a fenced yard.
Off -leash dog areas can be controversial as there are perceptions of problems (noise,
traffic, pet waste) from adjacent property owners and potential displacement of other
recreational uses. Site selection is the key to a successful off -leash dog area/park. Dog
areas/parks can also be established on a temporary basis with a periodic review to
determine their suitability and performance. The dog area/park can be open to the public
or can be open only to permit holders. The advantage of a permit -only system is to allow
better communication with area users. The disadvantage of permit -only use is the
administrative requirements for the city and the dog owner and the enforcement
requirement for the city to check for valid permits. No cities or counties in Minnesota
restrict use of their dog areas to residents only.
Why have an off -leash dog area?
There are an estimated 7,000-8,000 dogs in Edina. Approximately 6,000 households in
Edina have dogs (28% of the city population). Few of these people have property large
enough to allow a dog to get significant exercise. As awareness of other communities'
off -leash dog exercise areas increases, citizens are asking for a local off -leash dog area.
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Off -leash dog areas/parks provide an area for dogs to run. Some people currently use city
parks, golf courses and school property to let their dog run off -leash. This is in violation
of city regulations that require dogs to be on a leash or within a fenced yard area. The
City Animal Control Officer issues warning and citations for violations of the leash and
pick-up regulations. Citizens ask, "Where can I let my dog run off -leash?" There is a
demand for off -leash areas.
Where are existing off -leash dog areas/parks located?
Off -leash dog parks are relatively new to Minnesota. There are off -leash dog areas/parks
in Bloomington, Hennepin Parks, Ramsey County, and St. Paul. Several metro area cities
are currently considering dog exercise areas. The City of Minneapolis is proposing to
locate several dog parks in existing parks and on city lands. One proposed site is an off -
leash dog area on Minneapolis Water Works land next to Weber Park in the northeast
corner of Edina. The site is designed to serve Minneapolis residents, but it would also
serve some St. Louis Park and Edina residents. From Edina's perspective it is not the
most convenient location.
What are the maintenance and enforcement requirements for an off -leash dog area?
Dog areas/parks are relatively low maintenance. The level of maintenance is similar or
lower than a typical public park. Emptying trash containers and periodic mowing are the
main maintenance activities. Pet owners pick up dog waste and place it in trash
containers. Operating experience in Minnesota shows that there are few issues, and the
enforcement requirements are low.
What are the costs of building a dog park?
Constructions costs depend upon the site characteristics. Costs can range from less than
$10,000 to close to $50,000 depending upon the amount of fencing and the need for a
parking lot. Smaller sites will need to be fenced. If the site does not have parking, a
parking lot would have to be built. Other expenses are signs and a picnic table.
What are the attributes of a good off -leash dog area?
➢ A large enough area to allow dogs to obtain exercise (+ 2.5 acres is desirable).
➢ A flat open area of at least one acre.
➢ Suitable buffers or separation from adjacent uses (similar to other public park
uses).
➢ Good visibility and access.
➢ Adequate parking (15-20 spaces).
➢ A fenced area or other suitable boundaries.
➢ An involved citizen group to help set up and operate the park.
➢ Other desirable, but not essential features such restrooms and a drinking water
supply.
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Candidate Site Evaluation
Due to the developed nature of the city there are few options for suitable off -leash dog
areas. Based on discussions with city staff and an evaluation of city land, the following
sites were evaluated as potential off -leash dog areas: See the attached map for site
locations.
Creek Valley Park - The north portion of the park next to Highway 62.
Braemar Park - The southwest corner of the park, south of the arena and within the
Public Works outside storage area.
Walnut Ridge Park - The central area of the park, within the loop trail.
Van Valkenburg Park - The lower area near the pond in the northwest corner of the
park. Located between the parking area and Lincoln Drive.
See the attached maps of each site showing potential dog area locations.
Site Evaluation
Ingraham & Associates Inc.
City of Edina — Dog Area Feasibility Study
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4/03/01
Creek Valley
Braemar Park
Walnut
Van
Park
Ridge Park
Valkenburg
Park
Site size
2.3 - 4.6 acres
3.5 acres
3 to 4 acres
1.7 acres
(approx.)
Open flat area
NO
POTENTIALLY
YES
NO
Neighborhood
GOOD
POTENTIALLY
FAIR
GOOD
compatibility
GOOD
Access and
GOOD
GOOD
FAIR
GOOD
visibility
Displacement
NONE
SOME
SOME
NONE
of existing
activities
Existing
SOME
NONE
NONE
SOME
fencing/barriers
EXISTING
Existing
YES
YES
YES
YES
parking
Fencing
#1 = 1,100 ft.
1,400 feet
1,400 feet
800 feet
required and
#1 = $11,000
$14,000
$14,000
$8,000
estimated cost
#2 =1,900 ft.
#2 = $19,000
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City of Edina — Dog Area Feasibility Study
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4/03/01
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Recommendation
The site evaluation shows that there is no one ideal location for an off -leash dog exercise
area in Edina.
The Creek Valley site has the best combination of features, but is an irregular site with
little flat area. It has existing parking, is very visible, has convenient access and is
compatible with adjacent land uses (Hwy 62, the park and school). The primary
drawback is the small site size and lack of flat open terrain. Two options exist in Creek
Valley Park:
#1. A linear area along the north edge of the park. The area outside the hockey and
skating area is 2.3 acres and is primarily rolling terrain. The water tower would be
inside the dog exercise area.
#2. An area located around the hockey rink and open skating rink. The area could
function as a dog exercise area in the spring, summer and fall and a skating area in the
winter. Dog areas are typically used in the winter so some signage, management and
enforcement may be needed to prevent conflicts and dog use in the winter.
Areas # 1 and #2 could be combined during the summer.
The Braemar/Public Works site has the potential to be a suitable site, but it requires
extensive grading, fencing and reconfiguration of the public works open storage area.
The area south of Braemar Boulevard would need re -grading and a fence would be
required between the public works driveway, golf course and nature trail to the east and
public works storage area to the south. The dog park area could be constructed as part of
a re -configuration and aesthetic upgrade of the public work storage area. This area is also
contemplated for a regional police and fire training facility. There would not be room for
the training facility, dog exercise area and the public works open storage area.
Walnut Ridge Park has an area in the center of the park that is suitable for dog use. The
central area of the park is not used for active or programmed recreational uses. The low
wet soils make turf management and active recreation use (i.e. ball fields, soccer, etc.)
difficult. It would require a fence around the inside of the loop trail. The biggest
drawbacks of this site are the somewhat hidden access to the neighborhood park and the
location within a developed residential neighborhood. The dog use area would be
approximately 200 feet from the nearest home.
The northwest corner of Van Valkenburg Park has an area around a small pond that is
somewhat suitable for dog use. The area is small and slopes toward the pond, but is not
used for any other recreational uses. The area is located between the lower parking area
and Lincoln Drive.
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City of Edina, Minnesota
March 28, 2001
Planners & Landscape Architects
(612) 377-2500
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REPORURECOMMENDATION
To: Mayor Maetzold and members of
Agenda Item
IV. A.
the Edina City Council.
From: John Keprios, Direcor
Consent
❑
Park & Recreation Dep tent
Information Only
❑
Date: April 26, 2001
Mgr. Recommends
❑
To HRA
®
To Council
Subject: Off -leash Dog Parks
®
Motion
❑
Resolution
❑
Ordinance
❑
Discussion
RECOMMENDATION:
The Park Board recommends that the only off -leash dog park to be considered at this time be the
France Avenue site.
INFO/BACKGROUND:
As directed by the City Council, staff conducted a study to determine if there is a reasonable site
for an off -leash dog park, and specifically Creek Valley Park, within the city. The professional
consulting firm of Ingraham and Associates was hired to study the issue and work with staff to
look at the potential sites for suitable off -leash dog parks in addition to the Minneapolis Public
Works site on France Avenue.
As shown in Mr. Greg Ingraham's attached report, he worked with city park and police staff to
identify potential sites and came up with four additional areas:
1. Creek Valley Park (near water tower)
2. Braemar Park (former Gun Range site)
3. Walnut Ridge Park (within south end of pathway)
4. Van Valkenburg Park (around holding pond)
As shown in the attached Park Board minutes (minutes not yet approved by Park Board), Mr.
Ingraham presented his findings and recommendations to the Park Board. Mr. Ingraham's
recommendations suggest that none of the four sites could be considered ideal locations for an
off -leash dog park site. As reflected in his report, only Walnut Ridge Park has a large flat open
area for dogs to run free, however, Walnut Ridge Park is not easily accessible due to its location.
After lengthy discussion and failure of two motions, the Park Board passed a motion that
suggests not to use Creek Valley Park as an off -leash dog park site at this time. The Park Board
recommends that only the Minneapolis Public Works property on France Avenue be considered
as an off -leash dog park at this time.
Mr. Ingraham will attend the City Council meeting to present his findings and recommendations.
EDINA PARK BOARD
7:00 P.M.
EDINA ART CENTER
APRIL 10, 2001
MEMBERS PRESENT: Michael Damman, Floyd Grabiel, David Fredlund, George Klus,
Karla Sitek, Ardis Wexler, Tom White, Andy Finsness, John
Murrin
MEMBERS ABSENT: Linda Presthus
STAFF PRESENT: John Keprios, Ed MacHolda, Janet Canton, Diana Hedges
I. APPROVAL OF THE MARCH 13, 2001 PARK BOARD MINUTES
Floyd Grabiel MOVED TO APPROVE THE MARCH 13, 2001 PARK BOARD
MINUTES. Dave Fredlund SECONDED THE MOTION. MINUTES APPROVED.
II. TOUR OF EDINA ART CENTER & PRESENTATION - DIANA HEDGES, ART
CENTER DIRECTOR
III. RECREATIONAL FACILITIES REFERENDUM UPDATE - JOHN KEPRIOS
IV. OFF -LEASH DOG PARK STUDY AND PROPOSAL - GREG INGRAHAM,
INGRAHAM & ASSOCIATES
Mr. Keprios explained that the City Council directed him to look at different areas within
the city to determine if there is a reasonable site for an off -leash dog park and specifically
Creek Valley Park. Mr. Keprios then introduced Greg Ingraham from Ingraham &
Associates Consulting firm whom was commissioned to look at the potential sites for an
off -leash dog park.
Mr. Ingraham indicated that he worked with city park and police staff to identify potential
sites and came up with four areas. He pointed out that some of the criteria they looked
for was size, access and visibility as well as flat areas. Mr. Ingraham explained that all
four sites could work, however, all four were marginal at best and there was no one great
site.
Mr. Ingraham noted that Creek Valley was one of the four sites they looked at and
showed an aerial photo of the location and explained the site noting that it could work.
However, the one thing it does lack is a flat area because it's fairly rolling. He added that
Creek Valley does have a lot of uses in the summer and has primarily ice skating in the
winter. He noted that the green marking outlined on the map is where the rink is located
and it could cause a problem because dog parks are used 365 days a year which may make
it hard to manage. However, the pink area marked would work fairly well.
Mr. Ingraham explained that the Walnut Ridge site from the physical aspect of the park
land does work quite well and is probably the best site in terms of physical space. There
is a large flat area that is not programmed for active recreation use and it has a loop trail
around it. However, the drawbacks are it's a hard park to get to and it's a neighborhood
park, not a community type of park.
Mr. Ingraham indicated that Van Valkenburg was another site that was looked at which is
right by the ball field complex. He explained that the drawback to this site is there is not
a lot of flat area. It would work but again it is a marginal site and lacks an open area.
Mr. Ingraham showed where the Braemar site could be located and noted that it would be
by where the old gun range was. He indicated that he feels this could be a good site in the
future if it was combined with an aesthetic upgrade of the public works facility and use
the dog park as a sort of transition to the maintenance activities. Mr. Ingraham pointed
out that this site is also being proposed for a regional police/fire training facility. He
noted that he doubts everything could be put on this one site and make it function. He
noted that Braemar would certainly be an adequate area.
Mr. Ingraham indicated that all of the areas he mentioned do have parking areas and
noted that there would be various fencing costs. He stated that on the whole scale of
things dog parks are relatively cheap to develop and maintain and do work quite well.
However, he did not see one site that he could say he thinks would be great. He noted he
feels all of them would work and would get used because there is definitely a demand for
it.
Mr. Grabiel asked how do these sites compare in size with the site Minneapolis wants to
use to which Mr. Keprios replied that the Minneapolis site is a little over four acres and
the sites mentioned tonight are 2.5 to 3 acres.
Mr. Klus asked why is there such a sudden interest in this and asked if they are trying to
appease someone. Mr. Keprios replied that the City Council has directed him to look at
the Creek Valley site specifically as well as all of Edina to see to see if it would be
feasible to put in an off -leash dog park.
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Mr. Keprios indicated that he did talk to the Chief of Police and Chief Siitari informed
him that he would not be in favor of any of the sites mentioned for an off -leash dog park
unless he was given additional resources to enforce it.
Mr. Ingraham commented that both the City of Bloomington and Ramsey County have an
off -leash dog site and both have said that for the most part they are self -enforcing. He
indicated that basically they only have to go there to empty the trash.
Mr. Damman asked if the City did decide to designate a place for an off -leash dog site
would there be any legal ramifications to the City if a dog were to attack someone, etc.
Mr. Ingraham replied that it's his understanding that it's no different than any other
liability, he doesn't think it would heighten anything.
Ms. Wexler asked if this goes to the City Council is there recourse for the people in the
community who simply do not want it at a particular site. Mr. Keprios responded that
there would likely be a public hearing before it would actually be implemented.
Mr. Murrin indicated that he doesn't have a dog and he doesn't have a charitable feeling
either way, however, Walnut Ridge seems to be an area that may have less human use and
would be an acceptable site for an off -leash dog park. He noted that he thinks it would
actually be a positive to the neighborhood and not a negative.
John Murrin MOVED THAT THE WALNUT RIDGE PARK BE DEVELOPED INTO
AN OFF -LEASH DOG PARK.
Mr. Murrin commented that we should see if neighborhood problems prevail or if it
becomes a cost issue for enforcement for the Edina Police Department. Mr. Murrin
commented that he sees our function as a park board to be able to be innovative and at
least get things to the table he would hate to see this thing just not be forwarded.
THE MOTION FAILED DUE TO A LACK OF A SECOND.
Floyd Grabiel MOVED THAT THE PARK BOARD RECOMMEND THAT THE CITY
COUNCIL PROCEED WITH FURTHER INVESTIGATING THE FEASIBILITY OF
THE DOG PARK AT EITHER THE CREEK VALLEY OR THE BRAEMAR SITE.
John Murrin SECONDED THE MOTION.
Ms. Sitek indicated that she would like to go back and look at the site that Minneapolis
proposed. Mr. Klus noted that he agrees with Ms. Sitek, the best site is the Minneapolis
site over by Weber Park. He indicated that we need the City Council to see that the site
Minneapolis wants to use is the best area and it's the flattest area of all of the other sites
presented tonight. Also, it is currently being used as an unofficial off -leash dog site. In
addition, it is also going to get the least amount of friction from the community compared
to the other sites mentioned. Mr. White stated that Minneapolis would also pay for the
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fencing and maintenance as well as putting in a parking lot. Therefore, it wouldn't
become an expense to the City of Edina.
Mr. Grabiel indicated that he would like to speak in support of his motion. He noted that
with the Braemar site and the Creek Valley site there are no neighbors to worry about.
He stated that with Van Valkenburg and Walnut Ridge there are neighbors to worry
about. Therefore, that is why he likes the Braemar and Creek Valley sites and really likes
Braemar the best. He noted there are a lot of people within the City of Edina who have an
interest in having an off -leash dog park. He stated that frankly he doesn't like the idea of
the Minneapolis Park Board coming in and putting their park within the City of Edina
limits. If we think in Edina we need an off -leash dog park than lets put one in Edina, on
Edina park land where we can control what happens. If Minneapolis comes in even with
a joint powers agreement we lose control and that is why he favors this and does not favor
the Minneapolis site.
Mr. Klus commented that he thinks we would have just as much control on the
Minneapolis site as we would on our own site. He noted that he felt after everything was
debated that we were going to still be able to provide something to the residents of Edina
and it was going to be fair and we were going to have control. Also, we were going to
say that if it didn't work out we would ask them to move and we wouldn't allow it to go
on.
Mr. Keprios asked is your motion to further study it to which Mr. Grabiel responded his
motion was to recommend to the City Council that we proceed with an off -leash dog park
site at either Braemar or Creek Valley, which would be just the pink area shown.
Mr. White asked all in favor of Floyd Grabiel's motion to go forward with either the
Creek Valley site or the Braemar site.
IN FAVOR: Floyd Grabiel, Andy Finsness, Ardis Wexler, John Murrin
OPPOSED: Dave Fredlund, George Klus, Karla Sitek, Tom White
ABSTAINED: Mike Damman
MOTION DID NOT PASS.
George Klus MOVED THAT WE ASK THE CITY COUNCIL TO CONSIDER THE
OFF -LEASH DOG PARK AT THE PROPOSED MINNEAPOLIS PUBLIC WORKS
SITE ALONG FRANCE AVENUE.
Mr. Finsness asked if the City Council is aware of the Minneapolis proposed off -leash
dog site to which Mr. Keprios replied that he believes that they are familiar with it.
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Mr. White asked Mr. Klus if his motion then would be to direct Mr. Keprios to contact
the Minneapolis Park Board again. Mr. Klus noted that he would say that his motion
would say that we recommend to the City Council to consider only the France Avenue
site at this time, which we have already evaluated.
Mr. Klus restated his motion to RECOMMEND TO THE CITY COUNCIL THAT THE
ONLY OFF -LEASH DOG PARK TO BE CONSIDERED AT THIS TIME BE THE
FRANCE AVENUE SITE.
Karla Sitek SECONDED THE MOTION.
Mr. Grabiel asked if the Police Chief's opinion has changed where he doesn't want us to
take on Minneapolis problems and be responsible. Mr. White noted that he can't believe
his opinion has changed. Mr. Keprios noted that the Police Chief would support the
Minneapolis Public Works site only if they meet the demands that have been stipulated.
Mr. Klus noted that all we are doing is going back to the City Council to look at that. He
noted that he is saying that is the one that we would rather see them look at.
All In Favor: George Klus, Karla Sitek, John Murrin, Dave Fredlund, Andy Finsness,
Ardis Wexler, Tom White
Opposed: Floyd Grabiel
Abstain: Mike Damman