HomeMy WebLinkAbout2010-05-26 Planning Commission Regular Meeting MinutesMEETING MINUTES
Regular Meeting of the Edina Planning Commission
Wednesday, May 26, 2010, 7:00 PM
Edina City Hall Council Chambers
MEMBERS PRESENT:
Chair Mike Fischer, Jeff Carpenter, Julie Risser, Nancy Scherer, Kevin Staunton,
Steve Brown, Floyd Grabiel, Arlene Forrest and Karwehn Kata
STAFF PRESENT:
Cary Teague and Jackie Hoogenakker
I. APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES:
The minutes of the April 28, 2010, Planning Commission meeting were filed with a
correction.
II. NEW BUSINESS:
2008.0004.10a Final Development Plan
Velmeir Companies/CVS Pharmacy
6905 York Avenue, Edina, MN
Planner Presentation
Planner Teague informed the Commission Velmeir Companies on behalf of CVS
Pharmacy is requesting to build a 13,000 square foot retail store with a drive-through
facility on the vacant parcel at 6905 York Avenue.
Planner Teague reported in 2008, a Final Development Plan was approved for the site
to build two retail buildings that totaled 18,000 square feet in size. The proposed plan is
generally consistent with the previous plan with two exceptions:
1. The proposed plan calls for one 13,000 square foot building, rather than two
buildings totalling 18,000 square feet.
2. The proposed plan calls for a drive-through facility. A condition of approval of the
previous plan specifically prohibited drive-through facilities.
The request requires a revised Final Development Plan with building setback variances
from 35 feet to 20 feet from York Avenue and 69th Street for the principal building and
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from 35 feet to 31 feet for the canopy. The 20-foot setback variances requested were
also approved as part of the previously approved plan.
Planner Teague delivered a power point report concluding that staff recommends that
the City Council approve the Final Development Plan with Variances at 6905 York
Avenue for Velmeir Companies on behalf of CVS Pharmacy based on the following
findings:
1) With the exception of the variances requested, the proposal would meet the
required standards and ordinances for a Final Development Plan.
2) Spack Consultants conducted a traffic impact study, and concluded that the
existing roadway system could support the proposed project.
3) The proposal would meet the required standards for a variance, because:
a. The proposed use of the property is reasonable; as it would encourage
ground level retail and service uses that create an active pedestrian and
streetscape environment.
b. The intent of the ordinance is to encourage retail uses to create an active
pedestrian and streetscape environment that can provide future pedestrian
connections
c. The unique circumstance is the sites prominent location in close proximity to
Southdale and the Galleria shopping areas. The city would like to encourage
a more pedestrian environment in this area.
d. The building could be located on the site to meet the required setbacks;
however, it would encourage parking in front of the building as parking stalls
would be lost in the rear if the building met required setbacks.
Approval of the Final Development Plan and variances are subject to the following
conditions:
1) Subject to staff approval, the site must be developed and maintained in
substantial conformance with the following plans, unless modified by the
conditions below:
• Site plan date stamped April 23, 2010.
• Grading plan date stamped April 23, 2010.
• Landscaping plan date stamped April 23, 2010.
• Building elevations date stamped .April 23, 2010.
2) A final landscape plan must be submitted and approved by staff prior to issuance
of a building permit.
3) The property owner is responsible for replacing any required landscaping that
dies.
4) Submit a copy of the Nine Mile Creek Watershed District permit. The city may
require revisions to the approved plans to meet the district's requirements.
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5) Submit a copy of the Hennepin County Access Permit which is required for the
curb cut to York Avenue.
6) Compliance with the conditions required by the Transportation Commission.
7) Compliance with the conditions required by the city engineer in his memo dated
May 20, 2010.
Appearing for the Applicant
Gordon Johnson, Kevin McGee and Michael Spack representing CVS.
Discussion
Commissioner Staunton asked Planner Teague if the proposal requires a rezoning.
Planner Teague responded that the site is zoned PCD-3; no change in zoning
designation is required.
Commissioner Kata asked Planner Teague if the parking count includes the adjacent
parking for the apartment complex. Planner Teague responded that the apartment is
self-parked.
Chair Fischer asked Planner Teague if there are cross-easements between the
apartment complex and the CVS site. Planner Teague responded in the affirmative.
Applicant Presentation
Gordon Johnson, 3600 American Boulevard addressed the Commission and informed
them in today's market drug stores require a drive-through window to remain
competitive. Johnson pointed out that drive-through windows are a permitted use in the
PCD-3 zoning district. Continuing, Johnson said that directional signage will be
incorporated into the site to control traffic. Concluding, Johnson acknowledged that
everyone appreciates the 50th & France Avenue streetscape, adding that in working
closely with City staff they believe the proposed building placement creates a more
pedestrian friendly atmosphere on this corner.
Kevin McGee, 7201 78th Street West, told the Commission CVS Pharmacy is proposing
to construct a 13,000 square foot retail store, with drive-through facility. The project
includes 90 customer parking stalls and a loading/unloading lane at the rear of the
store. CVS also has a ground lease with the York West apartments directly to its east.
The apartment complex was part of the original approved plan with the subject site
earmarked for multi-tenant retail development. Mr. McGee said CVS is requesting the
following:
1. Removal of the restriction against a drive-through facility; this condition was for
the previous development of the site.
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2. Retain the variance approving a 20 foot setback from York Ave and 69th Street.
This variance was approved with the previous request to create a pedestrian feel.
3. Allow a new right turn out curb cut and a modification of the full access curb cut
(both on 69th St West).
Discussion
Commissioner Grabiel in response to a comment from Mr. Johnson on the need for a
drive-through pointed out that both Target and Cub Foods operate a pharmacy without
a drive-through. Mr. McGee acknowledged that fact; however, he pointed out those
stores are not strictly drug stores like a CVS is. Continuing, McGee said many people
use drug stores with the drive-through option when they are sick or physically are not
able to come into a store for one reason or another. McGee said their market research
indicates that a drive-through window was key in the success of a drug store/pharmacy.
Commissioner Risser asked Mr. McGee the speed at which people drop off/pick up their
prescriptions, pointing out vehicles are idling as they wait. Risser suggested asking
customers to turn off their engines while waiting. McGee responded they have found
that at most two vehicles are stacked waiting to drop off/pick up their prescription(s).
McGee said the "stops" are usually very quick. McGee noted rarely would someone
drop off and wait for their prescription to be filled. Concluding, McGee said CVS can
consider the "engine off' suggestion. Commissioner Risser asked Mr. McGee if their
market study took into consideration that there is a Walgreens Drug Store directly
adjacent to this site. McGee responded that CVS came into the Minnesota market
roughly a few years ago and the market studies indicated there was room for
competition. He acknowledged he doesn't know if the market study considered a drug
store in such close proximity to a site. Concluding, McGee said in retail it's always
location, location, location.
Chair Fischer noted that on the schematics two "entrances" are illustrated; however,
they appear different. Mr. McGee agreed, adding there is a "false entrance" at the
corner of West 69th Street/York Avenue with the main entrance angled at the southwest
corner of the building. The "doors" match but are different with the entrance off the
parking lot. Chair Fischer asked Mr. McGee if the CVS drug stores are always built at
the height depicted, adding he thinks the building is a bit too tall. Mr. McGee responded
the buildings are proposed at this height to screen the mechanical. Chair Fischer asked
if storm water tanks will be underground. McGee said the storm water system was
installed to the rear of the site with the apartment complex.
Public Comments
Chair Fischer opened the public hearing.
Vivian Bauman, 6913 Xerxes Avenue, Richfield told the Commission she lives across
from the new apartment building and since it's been constructed she has lost her
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sunlight and experienced an increase in traffic on Xerxes Avenue. Ms. Bauman
reported that presently 800 + vehicles use Xerxes Avenue, adding she wants to make
sure that traffic directional signs on the proposed CVS site do not direct traffic onto
Xerxes Avenue. Ms. Bauman said she is also worried about on street parking if parking
is compromised on the apartment and CVS site. Concluding, Ms. Bauman stated
Xerxes Avenue already bears an incredible traffic burden and this proposal will only add
to that.
Chair Fischer asked if anyone else would like to speak to the issue. Being none,
Commissioner Brown moved to close the public hearing. Commissioner Staunton
seconded the motion. All voted aye; public hearing closed.
Discussion
A discussion ensued on traffic flow, turn lanes, internal traffic circulation and the
potential for traffic to spill onto Xerxes Avenue. Mr. McGee said signage is proposed to
deter patrons from using Xerxes Avenue. Mr. Johnson added that vehicles going south
on York Avenue can turn left on West 69th Street to access the site. Commissioner
Forrest noted vehicles also have the option of a right turn onto 69th Street, and that
option coupled with the right turn only for the drive-through would direct traffic to Xerxes.
Commissioner Forrest said when approval was given to the previous project traffic flow
onto Xerxes Avenue was an important consideration.
Commissioner Brown stated as proposed he cannot support the project. Brown said
that in his opinion the internal traffic circulation on the site just doesn't work. Brown
pointed out the site has multiple access points creating cross traffic especially because
of the location of the drive-through. Brown said he has no problem with the variances
that allow building placement up to the street; however, the internal vehicle circulation
and drive-through location as designed is unsafe.
Commissioner Forrest said she agrees with Commissioner Brown reiterating that in her
opinion right turn only for the drive-through would only funnel traffic back to Xerxes
Avenue. Commissioner Forrest said she also has a concern with pedestrian patterns in
the parking lot.
Mr. Spack told the Commission that in working with City staff on orienting the building
closer to York and 69th streets impacted where the drive-through could be located.
Continuing, Mr. Spack noted the exit onto West 69th Street allows both right and left
hand turns. Mr. Spack said they are requesting that Hennepin County allow them to
improve the curb cut on York Avenue with a larger right turn in/right turn out only
configuration.
A discussion ensued on building placement and if the proposed location of the building
actually creates a pedestrian friendly atmosphere or would pulling the building back into
the site is better. Commissioners acknowledged the goal of creating a more pedestrian
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friendly streetscape, questioning if this plan actually does that. It was noted that the
façade along York Avenue while being close to the street doesn't achieve that goal.
The majority of patrons would park in the parking lot and use the door on the south
elevation. It was acknowledged that the previous plan was for multiple tenants not one.
Action/further Discussion
Commissioner Brown moved denial of 2008.0004.10a Final Development Plan for
CVS Pharmacy. Commissioner Carpenter seconded the motion.
Planner Teague requested that the Commission issue findings to support the denial, or
have the applicant revise the plan. Planner Teague said the Commission has to be
cognizant of the 60-day rule.
Mr. McGee said CVS would be willing to table their request with some direction from the
Commission, especially with drive-through placement.
Commissioner Brown reiterated that in his opinion the current location of the drive-
through in the middle of the site just doesn't work. Brown suggested a north/south
configuration. Mr. McGee responded if the drive-through is relocated north/south with a
York Avenue exit the passenger side would face the drive-up window, not the driver's
side; which is the ideal situation. Commissioner Carpenter acknowledged it appears the
location of the drive-through is the stumbling block, adding the original goal was to
achieve a pedestrian friendly site; however, the façade at the street doesn't accomplish
that goal.
Commissioner Grabiel stated it may be possible to position the building in the southeast
corner of the site. He added pedestrians do walk/cross etc. into parking lots all the time
to enter/exit buildings.
Chair Fischer briefly explained to the applicant the history of the site and the vision the
Planning Commission had for this corner. Fischer commented at this point the
Commission may have to give up on their vision of "pedestrian friendliness" and review
a typical development plan. Fischer acknowledged that the proponent did make efforts
to create a more pedestrian friendly façade; however, in his opinion those efforts fell
short. Fischer concluded that the proponent could bring back either scenario for review.
Commissioner Risser said she believes this site is a bit tricky for redevelopment.
Commissioner Grabiel asked Planner Teague what happens with a denial. Planner
Teague said if the Commission denies the request the proponent could proceed with the
request to the City Council for a vote or they could take time to review their options and
bring a revised plan back to the Planning Commission.
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Commissioner Staunton said the Commission should accord the applicant flexibility and
allow them to decide if they want the proposal continued or denied. Mr. McGee
responded that CVS would like the Commission to continue their request for Final
Development Plan approval to the next meeting of the Commission.
Commissioner Brown withdrew his motion. Commissioner Carpenter withdrew his
second.
Commissioner Staunton moved to continue item 2008.0004.10a to the June 30,
2010, Planning Commission meeting. Commissioner Grabiel seconded the
motion, noting the applicant is agreeable to the continuance. All voted aye;
motion carried.
III. COMMUNITY COMMENT:
Barbara Hoganson, 5829 Jeff Place, addressed the Commission and said she was
interested in the continuing process of revising the Zoning Code and asked how one
could participate. Chair Fischer explained that once a month the Planning Commission
holds a work session to discuss topics. Chair Fischer said the public is welcome to
attend all sessions, adding they are held the 2nd Wednesday of each month in the
Council Chambers. Chair Fischer also suggested if anyone is interested in the re-write
process to also sign up for City Extra which posts all meetings. Ms. Hoganson asked if
the Commission was familiar with the latest Three Rivers 9-Mile Creek bike trail plan
and that process. Chair Fischer responded that he isn't familiar with the plan or the
process and asked Planner Teague if he was aware of the plan. Planner Teague
responded that he believes Three Rivers is spearheading the project and directed Ms.
Hoganson to contact the Park and Recreations Director, John Keprios for further
information.
Susan Clark, 5812 61st Street West asked the steps developers take to seek approval
from the Nine Mile creek watershed district. Ms. Clark said it appears to her that the
watershed district hears a proposal after the City process in complete. Ms. Clark
commented that in her opinion it would be better if the Planning Commission had "in
hand" the watershed district input before they made their decision on a project. Planner
Teague responded that it appears the policy of the Nine Mile Creek Watershed District
is to hear an item after it has been through the City approval process, adding there
wouldn't be an application if the project wasn't approved by the City. Chair Fischer
commented that it appears there is no best answer.
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IV. OTHER BUSINESS:
Planning Commission Bylaws
Commissioner Carpenter gave a brief bylaw/no bylaw history and introduced the
members of the bylaw committee (Commissioner Carpenter, Brown and Grabiel).
Carpenter said their goal was to develop bylaws that reflect the way the Planning
Commission operates, adding in a sense the bylaws are the operating procedures for
the Planning Commission.
Carpenter asked Commissioners to comment and provide guidance on the draft bylaws.
Carpenter went through sections of the bylaws.
The discussion focused on Sections 6. Meetings and the Open Meeting Law and 11.
Ex Parte Communications.
Commissioner Carpenter said that all Commissioners from time to time have had
conversations with residents by phone/e-mail or in person on various
development/variance projects. Carpenter said the proposed bylaws will help
Commissioners handle these communications. The goal of Sections 6 & 11 are to
ensure that the process isn't tainted by violation of the open meeting laws and ex parte
communication.
Commissioners felt more clarification needs to be made on the two different functions of
the Commission the legislative and quasi-judicial. Would Commissioners be able to talk
about the Comprehensive Plan and Zoning Code without concern that the open meeting
and/or ex parte communition was being violated vs. discussing a proposal when an
application has been received?
Commissioner Brown asked what the Commission felt was appropriate; zero tolerance
or something in between.
The discussion continued with Chair Fischer stating that he believes it is important to
maintain transparency, acknowledging it is unrealistic to prevent a resident etc. from
approaching a Commissioner regarding a proposed development/redevelopment.
Fischer said directing this type of communication to the meeting would be best.
Commissioner Grabiel agreed, adding information concerning a proposal should "come
to light" at the meeting to be recorded as part of the official record. Grabiel said what
may need to happen is incorporate into the bylaws the distinction between the
legislative and judicial. Chair Fischer agreed, suggesting that a definition be added.
Further discussion continued with Commissioners stating their communication between
each other is important, valuable insight is shared, adding that more thought should be
given to certain aspects of 6 & 11.
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Commissioner Carpenter said he agrees with all comments; acknowledging there is
difficulty in drawing the line. Carpenter said the Commission can "advance the ball"
better if a line is created.
The discussion shifted to how to proceed when ex parte communition occurs. It was
noted that any ex parte communication should be divulged at the public hearing; and if
any ex parte communication caused a Commissioner to become biased that
Commissioner should refrain from participation in the discussion and vote.
Commissioner Staunton commented that in his opinion this clarification is important. A
Commissioner should not be able to inadvertently advocate a position during the
discussion and refrain from the vote. The Commissioner should refrain from all
participation. Continuing, Commissioner Staunton said confidence in the process is
important and all information should be available to everyone.
Chair Fischer thanked the bylaw committee for their hard work and said his intent this
evening was to have the bylaws introduced. He directed Commissioners to e-mail their
comments and suggestions on the proposed bylaws to Planner Teague who will forward
comments/suggestions to Commissioner Carpenter.
V. INTERGOVERNMENTAL BUSINESS:
Chair Fischer said the Planning Commission will meet jointly with the City Council on
June 1, 2010 at 4:30 pm. At this meeting the City Council will be updated on the
progress of zoning ordinance rewrite process.
Chair Fischer asked if anyone attended the joint cities meeting of planning
commissioners.
Commissioner Grabiel reported that he attended the joint meeting of planning
commissioners, adding it was excellent as usual. Grabiel said much of the meeting
centered on the Comprehensive Plan, adding that In Richfield's Comprehensive Plan
the Xerxes Avenue area (previously discussed) was designated as multi-residential,
different from the single family homes present today. Continuing, Grabiel said Polly
Bowles from the Metropolitan Council also spoke, adding it was fascinating to hear from
her about what goes on in that establishment.
Chair Fischer recapped for the Commission that he hosted a 2 1/2 hour bus tour of Edina
for the International Architectural Committee, adding everyone was very impressed with
Edina.
Commissioner Staunton reported that the CAT would also be meeting sometime in
June.
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ADJOURNMENT:
Commissioner Carpenter moved adjournment at 10:15 pm. Commissioner Risser
seconded the motion. All voted aye; motion carried.
Respectfully Submitted:
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