HomeMy WebLinkAbout2003-01-29 Planning Commission Meeting Minutes RegularAGENDA
REGULAR MEETING OF THE
EDINA PLANNING COMMISSION
WEDNESDAY, JANUARY 29, 2003
7:30 PM, EDINA CITY HALL COUNCIL CHAMBERS
4801 WEST 50TH STREET
I. APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES:
October 30, 2002
IL NEW BUSINESS:
Z-03-1 Edina Heritage Preservation Board
Edina Country Club District, Brown and Fairway
Z-03-2 Edina Heritage Preservation Board
Baird House, 4400 West 50th Street
Z-03-3 Edina Heritage Preservation Board
Grimes House, 4200 West 44th Street
Z-03-4 Edina Heritage Preservation Board
Peterson House, 5312 Interlachen Boulevard
Z-03-5 & 6
S-03-1
LD-03-1 Robert Perry and David Dent
6712 and 6716 Arrowhead Pass — Lot Division
Ill. OTHER BUSINESS:
Produce Stands
IV. ADJOURNMENT:
Edina Heritage Preservation Board
Cahill School and Grange Hall, 4918 Eden Avenue
Curt Fretham
6400 Ryan Avenue / 2-Lot Subdivision
MINUTES OF THE REGULAR MEETING OF
THE EDINA PLANNING COMMISSION
WEDNESDAY, JANUARY 29, 2003, 5:30 PM
EDINA CITY HALL COUNCIL CHAMBERS
4801 WEST 50TH STREET
MEMBERS PRESENT:
Chairperson Gordon Johnson, John Lonsbury, Ann Swenson, David Byron,
Helen McClelland, David Runyan
MEMBERS ABSENT:
Geof Workinger and Stephen Brown
STAFF PRESENT:
Craig Larsen, Joyce Repya and Jackie Hoogenakker
I. APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES:
The minutes of the November 27, 2002, meeting were filed as submitted.
II. OLD BUSINESS:
Z-03-1 Edina Heritage Preservation Board
Edina Country Club District, Brown and Fairway Sections
Add Edina Heritage Landmark Overlay Zone to the R-1 Zoning
Designation
Ms. Repya informed the Commission the Edina Country Club District was
placed on the National Register of Historic Places in 1980. The designation
recognizes the district as the first planned subdivision in Edina comprised of a
significant and well preserved concentration of historic domestic architecture.
Due to the National Register designation, many people assumed that there were
controls in place to regulate building activity in the district. However, the National
Register only identifies historically significant properties. The National Park
Service depends on the local government to provide controls and regulations.
Ms. Repya explained since the 1980 National Register designation, the
Heritage Preservation Board has struggled with addressing the preservation
needs of the district. Ultimately, it was determined that the Heritage Preservation
section of the Zoning Ordinance which required HPB review and control of all
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exterior changes for designated properties, did not provide standards and
guidelines and was not designed to meet the needs of a district designation.
Ms. Repya told the Commission the Heritage Preservation section of the
Zoning Ordinance, amended in June 2002, has been designated to provide for
flexibility when designating landmark properties. As part of the nomination
report, a preservation plan is established, clearly defining the significance of the
landmark property and the goals and objectives for preservation. This plan of
treatment includes guidelines and procedures defining the heritage preservation
expectations for the designation.
The provisions of the new ordinance will require that a Certificate of
Appropriateness be approved for the demolition and new construction of homes
and garages and the moving of buildings in the district.
Ms. Repya noted a moratorium on demolitions of principle structures in the
Country Club district has been in effect since December 2001. The moratorium
expired on December 19, 2002. At a special meeting of the City Council, the
moratorium was extended until June 26, 2003; however, the City Council is very
anxious to complete the landmark zoning of the district at which time the
moratorium would be lifted. This rezoning request is scheduled to go before the
City Council next Tuesday, February 4, 2003.
Ms. Repya concluded staff recommends Heritage Landmark overlay
zoning be added to the County Club District. In doing so, the City will be able to
protect the district's historic integrity by ensuring that new construction is in
keeping with the goals and objectives identified for the district.
Mr. Robert Vogel, Edina Heritage Preservation Consultant and interested
neighbors were present.
Mr. Vogel addressed the Commission and explained in a "nutshell" what
the Heritage Preservation Board is trying to accomplish by this amendment is
preserving the historic character of the Country Club District. Mr. Vogel
explained the goal is to create a partnership between the City and the individual
property owners with regard to preservation with the primary responsibility on the
individual property owner. Continuing, Mr. Vogel explained the City wants active
participation with property owners when they desire to demolish and/or move
buildings adding new construction within the district. This will be accomplished
by requiring Certificates of Appropriateness.
Commissioner Runyan asked Mr. Vogel if a homeowner in the Country
Club District wants to demolish their home and construct a new home what type
of permits would be required. Mr. Vogel responded the property owners would
have to go through the regular established building permit process (demolition
permit, building permit) along with a Certificate of Appropriateness. Mr. Vogel
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said the purpose of the Certificate of Appropriateness is not to embalm the
district but to establish guidelines whereby the height, size, scale, color and
texture of the homes in the district are recognized and documented. Mr. Vogel
concluded new construction should be complementary to the district.
Commissioner Byron questioned if the City Council has made the decision
on their scope with regard to the district. Commissioner Byron pointed out the
Country Club District is private property and impinging on property owners' rights
may be difficult to legislate. Commissioner Byron asked if the Certificate of
Appropriateness only covers demolitions. Mr. Vogel responded the new code
language is actually less intrusive, with the new language focusing on demolition
and resulting new construction, new construction on vacant lots or the moving of
buildings. All those factors would require a Certificate of Appropriateness. Mr.
Vogel reiterated much of the responsibility is on the individual property owners
and in his opinion so far the property owners of the district have done an
excellent job maintaining the character of the district.
Commissioner McClelland said her understanding of the ordinance before
this change was that if a building is demolished what replaces it must preserve
the character of the district and be of similar architecture, but as she understands
it now, that isn't necessarily the case. Continuing, Commissioner McClelland
added if she understands pages 2-3 correctly replacement is complementary, not
necessarily replacing what was with the same. Mr. Vogel responded that is
correct. The City is not requiring that an exact replica be constructed.
Commissioner McClelland commented we could be giving residents to much
leeway. Mr. Vogel reiterated it is not the intent of the City to prohibit design
creativity, or embalm the district. Continuing, Mr. Vogel said the City policy
decision in terms of regulations and what requires a Certificate of
Appropriateness is that additions and alterations would not need a Certificate,
only entire or partial demolition of a structure and the subsequent new
construction of the moving of a structure requires a Certificate. Commissioner
McClelland said her past understanding was that at least the exterior of these
homes would be maintained with architectural compatibility with the district. Mr.
Vogel said that is still the case but reiterated additions that do not involve any
demolition or movement of the structure do not require a Certificate. Mr. Vogel
concluded if every addition would require a Certificate of Appropriateness staff
size would need to more than double.
Commissioner Lonsbury asked a hypothetical question that if he resided in
the Country Club District and his house burned to the ground and he wanted to
rebuilt a new house in the "prairie style" that isn't recommended on the guideline
form does that mean he can't do it. Mr. Vogel responded not necessarily so, he
pointed out certain elements of the "prairie style" would not fit in with the Country
Club District but other "prairie style" elements may fit with the District, and it is
possible the Board would not say no to a compatible prairie style home. Mr.
Vogel stated the Board does not want to design people's houses for them. The
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Board wants the property owner and their architect to design a complementary
structure. Commissioner Lonsbury questioned why the Board is taking on this
responsibility if it really isn't enforceable. Mr. Vogel responded it is enforceable.
A judgment will be made, and a Certificate will be issued or not issued.
Concluding, Mr. Vogel said the Board isn't looking to create a carbon copy of a
house, adding Commissioner Lonsbury is correct in that that can't be mandated,
but a complementary structure can be required.
Chairman Johnson asked for clarification from Ms. Repya on how she
wants the rezoning items handled with regard to the motion. Ms. Repya said Z-
03-1; the Country Club District should be handled with a separate motion. The
other HLD properties can be handled with one motion. Chairman Johnson
opened the floor to the public.
Mr. Mark Rurik, 4529 Arden Avenue, addressed the Commission and told
them in his opinion the majority of the Country Club residents do not know what
is going on with regard to the change in code. Mr. Rurik asked staff if staff has
received the response from the State and the Secretary of Interior with regard to
the landmark designation of the district. Ms. Repya responded the
State/Secretary of Interior has received the appropriate information from the City,
but in response to the question to date the City has not received the written
response. Mr. Rurik said he believes if that response has not been received the
"project" is only half complete and the Commission should not act until the City
receives the required responses. Mr. Rurik added he is unsure from what he has
read how variances will be handled. He pointed out if he understands correctly if
he demolishes his house nothing will compel the heritage board to give him a
Certificate of Appropriateness, and what is appropriateness? Is there a definition
anywhere of what the City means by appropriate? Mr. Rurik asked if his house is
placed on his lot in a non-conforming location, who addresses that? He pointed
out in the packet of information he received everything states "recommended" or
"not recommended" which is subjective. Continuing, he said if he decides to
construct a new home in the district with the "recommended" guidelines nothing
actually states he will receive a Certificate of Appropriateness if he follows those
"guidelines". He added in his opinion this opens up the City to litigation. Mr.
Rurik also pointed out there is no mention of a casualty clause in the new
ordinance. He asked what would happen if 40% of his home is destroyed by fire.
Would the City consider his financial stake in rebuilding and what if he can't
rebuild his home to the standards stipulated by the City with the money he
receives to rebuild after a casualty has occurred. Concluding, Mr. Rurik said in
his opinion the board has done a good job, but their work isn't complete, the
ordinance is not clear enough and they are putting the cart before the horse.
Now the City states only demolition triggers a Certificate, in a few years it could
be additions. The City is putting its foot in the door.
Mr. Lee McGrath, 4614 Moorland Avenue, told the Commission he owns
two homes in the district and has found that one of the homes needs to be
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demolished because of its condition. He added his question concerns comments
found on the back of the pamphlet with regard to the difference between pivotal
and complementary houses. Mr. McGrath said the house he desires to demolish
is complementary and asked what implications he faces with a complementary
structure. Ms. Repya responded if his home (or any home within the district) is
completely demolished a Certificate of Appropriateness is required. Ms. Repya
referred to a revision for #2 on page 2 of the Edina Heritage Landmark
Nomination Study of the Edina Country Club and read into the record the new
language. Certificates of Appropriateness (COA) will be required for the total
demolition of any principal dwelling in the district. Permits for partial demolition
(including demolition of detached garages) will be subject to design review only
in cases involving properties identified in the 1980 National Register registration
form as possessing pivotal significance, or properties that have been determined
individually eligible for designation as Edina Heritage Landmarks.
Mr. McGrath questioned his steps in achieving a permit to rebuild his
house. Ms. Repya said a demolition permit must be applied for from the building
department, along with a COA. Further building department permits would also
be required for construction of a new house.
Commissioner Lonsbury interjected and asked if the change just read into
the record by Ms. Repya will go before Council. Ms. Repya said Council
Members would receive text of the change before their February 4th meeting.
Commissioner Lonsbury asked for a copy of what Ms. Repya read. Ms.
Hoogenakker excused herself from the hearing to make copies for the
Commission and audience of the change in text of #2 on page 2.
Mr. McGrath stated he believes he should have the same rights the City
had when they tore down the Hennepin County Library less than 50 feet from
where he stands now, and if he understands Ms. Repya correctly he will have
another layer of control placed over him that the City didn't have to go through.
The house he owns was built in 1936 by the Gambles who saw a house in Palm
Beach they liked and had a replica of that house constructed on this lot. Mr.
McGrath said the problems of tear downs in the district is minuscule, and the
blunt tool the City is presenting because of a fear something undesirable will be
constructed stands in the way of renovations in the neighborhood. Mr. McGrath
added he believes there is no partnership between the City and the Country Club
property owners. A partnership recognizes the residents of this neighborhood
are intelligent and willing to invest millions of dollars into their homes and by the
imposed restrictions the City is not allowing creative license. Mr. McGrath
pointed out not all homes in the Country Club District are significant, and if
residents are willing to invest they will be sensitive to the district and in a true
partnership you respect the intelligence of the residents.
Mrs. Marie Thorpe, 4526 Edina Boulevard, told the Commission she is in
favor of the HPB's recommendation. Mrs. Thorpe said in her opinion she feels
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the Board is benevolent and to her it appears they are not trying to prevent
people from demolishing their houses, they only want to give advise and protect
the homeowners in the district from a "kook" who may want to construct a house
that just wouldn't fit with the area. Mrs. Thorpe said the HPB only wants to be
part of the decision making process by protecting the history of Edina and the
district itself. Continuing, Mrs. Thorpe pointed out the Country Club District is
aged, times have changed, people have changed, and these changes place a
burden on the district to redevelop. Mrs. Thorpe said in her opinion the City
needs to have some say when people choose to knock down an entire house or
a portion of a house. In conclusion Mrs. Thorpe said she agrees with the
language of the ordinance and believes it is realistic and reasonable. She noted
she doesn't want the wording of the ordinance too detailed because it reduces
flexibility. Mrs. Thorpe stated she supports the HPB.
Mr. Bright Domblasser, 4630 Drexel Avenue, stated he believes the two
people who previously spoke against the ordinance are protecting their own self-
interests, and in his opinion the larger community needs to be considered.
Commissioner Swenson reminded the Commission she presently sits on
the Heritage Preservation Board and there has been no discussion by the board
on regulating all additions in the Country Club District. Commissioner Swenson
stated she recommends that Commission Members support the ordinance
amendment and rezoning.
Commissioner McClelland asked Ms. Repya or Mr. Vogel if they know
home many homes in the Country Club District are considered Pivotal. Ms.
Repya responded out of the 554 homes in the district 196 or around 35% are
Pivotal.
Commissioner McClelland said she supports the work of the Heritage
Preservation Board and to her she finds it amusing that at first when this topic
was introduced she felt the City was proceeding with too strict of an agenda and
now her opinion is that it may not be strict enough. Commissioner McClelland
pointed out to the property owners present if they do not agree with what the
Heritage Preservation Board recommends with regard to a COA the property
owner does have the right to appeals the Board's decision to the Council similar
to how variances are handled by the Zoning Board.
Ms. Betty Burg, 4633 Arden Avenue, told the Commission she has
concerns with regard to her neighbor who is constructing a large addition out the
rear of their home and if that addition complies with the ordinance. Chairman
Johnson directed Ms. Burg to contact the building and planning departments in
the morning with her concerns. Ms. Burg concluded she supports the Heritage
Preservation Board and agrees with its guideline.
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Commissioner McClelland asked how the Planning Department would
keep track of the district especially with regard to variances. Mr. Vogel said the
internal administration works and every department that needs to address the
permit does. He said the district is "flagged" and when Ms. Aaker reviews
building plans she has a list of homes in the Country Club District. Mr. Larsen
interjected all 554 addresses are "flagged" by the computer and all permits are
routed to all significant departments.
Commissioner Byron said in going back to Mr. McGrath's issue if he
understands it correctly what Mr. McGrath needs to do is obtain a Certificate of
Appropriateness to raze his complementary house and a demolition permit from
the building department. Ms. Repya responded that is correct. According to
ordinance requirements he is required to obtain a Certificate of Appropriateness
to raze an existing house and rebuild a new structure in its place. She explained
complete demolition of a principal dwelling in the district requires a Certificate.
Mr. Byron noted even if 4619 Moorland Avenue isn't documented as pivotal the
reason for requiring a COA does not rest only on the uniqueness of the individual
structure, as it exists today, but on what will be constructed in its place. Ms.
Repya responded that is correct. What is constructed in place of an existing
structure is as important as the existing structure.
Mr. McGrath interjected and explained his property at 4619 Moorland
Avenue is filled with mold and he needs to construct a new dwelling, his family
can't live in the existing structure as is for health reasons. Mr. McGrath stated he
objects that he is required to obtain a COA. He pointed out his house in not
pivotal and he shouldn't be placed under the same restrictions as a pivotal
property owner is placed under. He said in his opinion his house is no different
from the library that was razed by the City. Mr. Vogel said he understands Mr.
McGrath's comments and explained his house may not be recorded as pivotal,
but it is part of the history of the district and that district is comprised of some 550
homes and the significance in that equation needs review. One reason we left in
the requirement for a COA for tearing down a non-pivotal house is to meet that
historic equation. Mr. Vogel explained a photographic record needs to be
maintained of what existed and what is constructed must be compatible.
Mr. McGrath said if he understands what Mr. Vogel said is that all he has
to do is submit building plans for a new structure and photos of the existing
house. Mr. Vogel responded that is correct photos of the existing house and
plans for the new house must be submitted. Mr. McGrath stated he wants his
due process. Commissioner Byron said due process for him is to go before the
Heritage Preservation Board. That Board will exercise judgment on the plans
submitted. Mr. McGrath said approving something that reads "recommending" is
too subjective and he believes that would be a problem. Mr. Larsen interjected
he doesn't feel there is a problem with that. All Boards/Commissioner exercise
their judgment when making decisions.
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Commissioner Byron told Mr. McGrath the Commission this evening can't
tell you what you want to hear. The HPB will have to make that decision, the
Commission can't. What the Commission is doing this evening is trying to be as
responsive to you as we can but this body doesn't have the authority to tell you
what you can or can't build on your property, tonight we are only recommending
that the Council rezone the district as Heritage Landmark and what that rezoning
encompasses. Mr. McGrath told the Commission he wants some guarantees on
what he can build, and in his opinion it is appropriate for the Commission to tell
him that. Commissioner Byron said our mission is to pass along our comments
and recommendations to the City Council. The Commission will also pass along
our comments from the two residents of the district that expressed their concerns
with regard to the procedures associated with the COA and their belief they were
being subjected to a violation of due process.
Commissioner McClelland reiterated to Mr. McGrath he has the right to
appeal to the City Council any decision by the Heritage Preservation Board he
doesn't agree with. Commissioner McClelland stated Mr. McGrath has the right
to be heard by his elected officials.
Commissioner Lonsbury told the Commission he realizes it is growing late
but asked staff if they can quickly point out the procedure for a resident to follow
if they want to demolish a pivotal property in the Country Club District. Ms.
Repya explained all the information a property owner needs to know would be
found on the building permit application and they would follow the procedures
outlined on that application. Commissioner Lonsbury asked if that is consistent
with our existing ordinance and procedures. Ms. Repya responded that is
consistent with our ordinance and procedures for obtaining a building permit.
Commissioner Swenson commented that one piece of information she
found interesting with regard to this proposal is that it has been found with this
type of control property values go up, not down.
Commissioner Swenson moved to recommend adding Edina Heritage
Landmark Overlay Zone to the R-1 Zoning Designation and adoption of the
proposed amendment to the code including the revision to #2 on page 2.
Commissioner Lonsbury seconded the motion. Commissioner McClelland told
the Commission she is not comfortable with all the pieces of the proposed
rezoning and ordinance change and feels a bit pressured by the Council to make
a decision adding she would like to abstain. Ayes; Lonsbury, Swenson, Byron,
Runyan, Johnson. Abstain; McClelland. Motion carried.
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Z-03-2 BAIRD HOUSE 4400 WEST 50TH STREET
Z-03-3 GRIMES HOUSE 4200 WEST 44TH STREET
Z-03-4 PAUL PETERSON HOUSE 5312 INTERLACHEN BLVD
Z-03-5 CAHILL SCHOOL 4918 EDEN AVENUE
Z-03-6 GRANGE HALL 4918 EDEN AVENUE
Ms. Repya informed the Commission the properties were all zoned
Heritage Preservation District under provisions of the old Heritage Preservation
section 850.20 of the City Code. The June 2002 amendment to the preservation
section of the code has necessitated a re-certification of the subject properties as
Heritage Landmarks.
Ms. Repya pointed out under the new code; each landmark property is to
have a preservation plan that identifies the significance of the site and a plan of
treatment for preservation. This plan is developed as a collaborative effort
between the property owners and the Heritage Preservation Board to ensure that
the goals and desires of the homeowner are addressed. During the next year,
the Heritage Preservation Board will be meeting with the private property owners
to develop the preservation plans.
Ms. Repya concluded that staff considers this a "housekeeping" issue and
recommends adding the Heritage Landmark zoning designation to the R-1 Single
Dwelling Unit District designation for the subject properties pursuant to the
provisions of the amended preservation code 850.20.
Commissioner McClelland moved to recommend adding Edina Heritage
Landmark Overlay Zone to the R-1 Zoning Designation for properties located at
4400 West 50th Street, 4200 West 44th Street, 5312 Interlachen Boulevard and
4918 Eden Avenue. Commissioner Runyan seconded the motion. All voted aye;
motion carried.
III. NEW BUSINESS:
S-03-1
Curt Fretham
6400 Ryan Avenue
Request: Two Lot Subdivision
Mr. Larsen informed the Commission the subject lot is part of the original
plat of Normandale, platted in 1914. All original lots were platted as through lots,
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that is with frontage on two streets. Mr. Larsen explained the subject property is
the last remaining lot in its original configuration.
Mr. Larsen concluded the character of this neighborhood is not how it was
platted, but how it was developed. The proposed plat makes sense and should
be approved. Lot area variances are needed but are minimal. Staff
recommends approval subject to Subdivision Dedication.
The proponent, Mr. Curt Fretham was present to respond to questions
from the Commission. Interested neighbors were also present.
Mr. Kohler, 6333 Ryan Avenue (directly across the street) told the
Commission he is not opposed to the proposed subdivision. His concern is with
garage and driveway placement. Mr. Kohler said if homes are constructed with
garage door and driveways facing West 64th Street it would have a negative
impact on his property. Mr. Kohler said looking out their window and seeing two
garage doors/driveways is not aesthetically pleasing. Concluding, Mr. Kohler
suggested one garage/driveway be constructed off West 64th Street and the
other off either Sherwood or Ryan Avenues.
Mr. Fretham addressed the Commission and informed them his goal is to
construct two nice homes. He added he is not sure on how the houses/garages
will be placed on the lot. He said his plan was to leave that up to the individual
lot owner.
Commissioner Swenson asked Mr. Larsen if our ordinance regulates how
a house is oriented on a lot. Mr. Larsen explained on a corner lot the property
owner selects its frontage. He added in this situation it is very possible the
property owner(s) may orient one home on Sherwood Avenue and the other on
Ryan Avenue but have side loading garages facing West 64th Street.
Commissioner Swenson asked Mr. Larsen what the setbacks would be
from West 64th Street. Mr. Larsen responded in this situation the minimum is
required. If the house fronts West 64th Street a front yard setback of 30 feet is
required. If the garage faces West 64th Street (the house Ryan or Sherwood) a
20-foot setback is required for the garage and the front yard setback is either the
average on the block on that side of the street between intersections or meeting
the setback of the adjoining house.
A discussion ensued between Commission Members on the merits of
recommending home/garage placement.
Commissioner Byron told the Commission he is uncomfortable
recommending that type of restriction over these lots. He said it should be up to
the future property owners on how they want to design their home. He added he
understands the neighbors point in desiring that only one garage/driveway face
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West 64th Street but pointed out the homes (including Mr. Kohlers) directly across
the street all have their garages/driveways facing West 64th Street.
Commissioner Runyan moved to recommend subdivision approval subject
to staff conditions and the additional condition that only one driveway/curb cut
face West 64th Street. No second to the motion.
Commissioner Swenson moved to recommend subdivision approval
subject to Parkland Dedication. Commissioner Lonsbury seconded the motion.
All voted aye; motion carried.
Commissioner Runyan asked the proponent to use his best judgment
about driveway and garage placement.
LD-03-1
Robert Perry
David Dent
6712 and 6716 Arrowhead Pass
Mr. Larsen informed the Commission the proposed land transfer would
cure the encroachment of a pool house, fence and driveway on the lot of 6716
Arrowhead Pass.
Mr. Larsen concluded staff recommends approval of the lot line
rearrangement.
Commissioner Lonsbury moved to recommend lot division approval
subject to the plans presented. Commissioner McClelland seconded the motion.
All voted aye; motion carried.
IV. ADJOURNMENT:
The meeting was adjourned at 9:30 p.m.
Jackie Hoogenakker
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