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MINUTES OF THE
Special Meeting of the
Edina Transportation Commission
Thursday, October 6, 2005
Edina City Hall
4801 West 50th Street
Community Room
MEMBERS PRESENT:
Les Wanninger, Jean White, Warren Plante, Joni Kelly Bennett, Geoffrey Workinger
MEMBERS ABSENT:
Marie Thorpe, Dean Dovolis
STAFF PRESENT:
Steve Lillehaug, Wayne Houle, Rebecca Foster
I. Call to Order
Lillehaug called the meeting to order. He announced that the first order of business was to
nominate a chair. Plante nominated Wanninger as the chair. Bennett nominated herself.
Lillehaug suggested nominating a chair and an alternate. Wanninger received four votes;
Bennett one vote. Wanninger was named the chair. Lillehaug turned the meeting over to
Wanninger. Workinger nominated Bennett to be alternate chair. All voted in favor of Bennett.
II. New Business
a. Northeast Edina Transportation Study Proposal Recommendation
Lillehaug said ten consulting firms were solicited, but only two proposals were received. The
general consensus for not submitting a proposal is that it was not the right fit and/or not
competitive. Lillehaug said the two proposals received are from firms that are capable of
performing the stated objectives. Lillehaug said staff is recommending that the ETC approve
the proposal prepared by SRF Consulting Group and recommends formalizing a contract for
their services. The recommendation is based on the overall score from a 5-member staff
review committee. Each firm was given an opportunity to present their proposal to the ETC.
SRF Consulting Group, Inc.: Representing SRF were Marie Cote, Principal and Project
Manager of the proposed traffic study; Cote will oversee the technical analysis and evaluation
process; and Beth Bartz, Principal for SRF’s Environmental Group will be in charge of the
facilitation process. Cote acknowledged that the project is challenging, however, they’ve
developed an approach that will address the issues; work closely with city staff; create a
process that will be fair and allow for informed decision-making; conduct sound technical
analysis to identify existing conditions and problems; conduct an evaluation of all
transportation alternatives and identify impacts versus benefits. A team of staff experienced in
working with diverse stakeholders to find solutions to complex issues has been assembled to
conduct the proposed traffic study.
APPROVED
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Open Discussion:
Bennett stated that she is concerned with the lack of direct public involvement in the past
studies conducted by SRF in the Country Club Neighborhood; the methodology and site
proposed; and that they are attempting a third try and unlikely to have different results using
the approach outlined. In response to Bennett’s concerns Cote said they intend to look at
solutions that would allow traffic to flow better on W. 44th Street, not creating more traffic and
the difference with this traffic study is that they will meet with the Study Advisory Committee
(SAC) to first look at existing data and collectively identify how to move forward. Bennett is
concerned that the SAC may not allow broad public involvement as outlined in the ETC’s
policy. Bartz said they typically work with the agency’s public involvement policy but would
recommend against breaking up into neighborhood meetings.
Warren noted that since Edina is centrally located it is important to involve surrounding
stakeholders. Stakeholders would be Hennepin County, Mn/DOT, City of Minneapolis and City
of St. Louis Park and the SAC will include them as needed.
White asked how will the study cover multi-modal transportation? Cote said they have a
transportation group in-house and they will rely on their expertise. In terms of projection, they
do have the Met Council’s projection but some people may not want to project this far out so
this will need to be discussed.
What techniques will be used to stay within budget, asked Workinger? Cote said it was a
challenge to develop the project scope given the budget and if they find it necessary to go
outside of the proposed scope, they will make some recommendations such as one consultant
attending an extra meeting if needed to keep cost down, etc.
Howard R. Green Company: Representing Howard R. Green Company were Steve Manhart
and JoNette Kuhnau. Steve Manhart handed out a sample newsletter that would communicate
to the residents in the various neighborhoods what they are doing. Manhart said they see the
project as being both regional and local based on traffic counts and observation of the traffic
patterns in the neighborhoods. He said they would work together to develop strategies to
return local streets to what their functional classification is. Congestion on the regional system
(Hwy. 100, 35W and Hwy. 169, etc.) is creating traffic on the local streets so they’ll need to
identify alternatives, said Manhart.
Manhart said they support the idea of a Northeast Edina Neighborhood Advisory Committee
that would be made up of residents from the impacted neighborhoods and this group would be
established early in the process through an open house so that the residents can identify what
the issues are. And working through the ETC Policy, Manhart said his team would identify
what may or may not work and make recommendations to the ETC and create pilot programs.
Open Discussion:
Bennett asked what involvement has the public had in issues that have been worked on in
Minneapolis in neighborhoods of similar size of proposed project. Kuhnau said the
neighborhoods are fairly organized with paid staff that keeps in touch with the residents and if
needed they do plan public meetings.
Workinger asked how could they do so much work for so little money. Manhart said by
providing a balanced staff. Workinger asked Manhart to reiterate his commitment to the public
process. Manhart said they are committed to serving the City and residents to finding
solutions.
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White noted that they’ve included issue intersections such as Vernon and Interlachen that are
outside of the northeast quadrant and asked how do they plan to draw cut-through traffic away
from the neighborhoods and back onto the regional roads. Manhart said they would need to
look at the overall system and identify ways to make improvements, keeping in mind funding
issues and probably a 7-8 year process.
Regarding the public process, White asked at what point would they stop taking comments
from the public and allow a smaller group to make decisions. Manhart said the meeting would
have to be well advertised and the comment period would be closed by the end of the year.
Warren asked what types of recommendation have they made to deal with cut-through traffic
and what types of improvements were implemented as a result. Kuhnau said there are many
ways to make a street less appealing to cut-through traffic, from cutting off the street
completely (most controversial), to narrowing the street, moving parking, etc. and improving
streets that you want drivers to use.
Bennett asked if they have experience working with multiple neighborhoods where there are
differences in interest. Kuhnau said in situations like this it is inevitable that not everyone is
going to be happy, however, everyone should be given a chance to voice their concerns, kept
informed throughout the process and try to incorporate their concerns.
Wanninger wrapped up the interview process by stating that it will be incumbent on the ETC to
manage the scope of the project to stay within the defined area, as well as the timeline. He
also said public relations campaign and attitude, along with the project is key to changing
drivers’ behavior.
Final Open Discussion
Wanninger said where public involvement is concerned, SRF would be using representative
democracy while Howard R. Green would use a full democracy approach. Bennett said the full
democracy approach fits well with the NTMP, which begins with identifying the problems and
only listening to the residents can do this. She is concerned that the other neighborhoods that
are finally invited to the table will not get a chance to voice their concerns. Plante is concerned
that a public process of this scope may not be managed well based on past experiences where
people were allowed to carry on without time limits.
A lengthy discussion ensued surrounding how to involve the public: representative vs. full
democracy and how to move forward knowing the past history of the Country Club’s attempts
to make street changes that would affect surrounding neighborhoods without their
participation.
Staff was asked to comment on the presentation from both consultants. Lillehaug
recommended that the ETC look more closely at the team and not so much at their
methodology because they will both use industry standards and in other areas it will be up to
the ETC and staff to instruct them, for example, whether or not to hold public meetings and
how many, etc. Lillehaug explained that staff recommended SRF because their experience
includes working on entire neighborhoods whereas Howard R. Green’s experience is more
intersections or single streets.
Workinger pointed out the value of not splitting and pitting neighborhoods against each other
and also the need for public involvement. He is concerned in looking at SRF’s proposal that
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they’ve honed in on one specific neighborhood and if this is going to be the Edina Country
Club Neighborhood Traffic Study it should be called just that. He said while SRF appears to
have the talent, they do not seem to have the same understanding of what is being suggested
as important components by Bennett and Plante. Wanninger said this is an Edina northeast
study being led by the ETC, not the consulting firm or a specific neighborhood and this must be
clearly communicated to all involved.
Plante motioned that they select SRF to conduct the Northeast Edina Transportation
Study. The motion was seconded by Workinger.
Ayes: 3 (Wanninger, Plante, White)
Nayes: 2 (Bennett, Workinger)
Workinger would like the record to reflect that he voted against SRF because they
haven’t demonstrated that they are doing anything except the Country Club
Neighborhood. He believes they have the capacity to perform, but he is not convinced
they understand the scope of the project based on their map.
Where the Advisory Committee is concerned Wanninger recommended including
representation from the three business districts as well as City of Minneapolis and Hennepin
County. Bennett asked where does an Advisory Committee fit into the policy that they’ve
adopted and supplants public input as outlined in the policy. White said this committee could
give an outside view and Houle said advisory committees are being used more often and they
serve as a conduit to transfer information. Bennett is still concerned that the ETC policy that
was developed as ‘their’ framework is not being followed. Wanninger asked for suggestions as
to how to get neighborhood representation. Bennett said if they are going to ignore the policy
she would suggest that they set up a commission that would include the business districts and
different communities and other interests and not have quasi-representation that may or may
not truly represent the public and in January have a true public meeting as prescribed in the
policy.
The consensus is to send a formal invitation to each neighborhood organization, adjacent
communities, the business districts and other groups of interest inviting them to participate in
the process.
III. Approval of Minutes
a. September 15, 2005
Page 1, last paragraph: delete “…that works…” and substitute it with “…working in…”
Correction on page 3, Item VI – change ‘stripping’ to striping.
A motion was made by Plante to approve the minutes with above changes. The motion
was seconded by Bennett.
IV. Open Discussion
Wanninger said he would like to have as an ongoing agenda item a summary report from
Workinger on projects that the Planning Commission is working on as they relate to the ETC.
He also suggested that they use the 5-minute speaking limit that Council has as a policy when
the ETC holds public meetings.
Sharetheroadmndot.org – White said this is a new website for cyclists and motorists; she
encouraged Commissioners visit the site.
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Meeting adjourned.
The next regular meeting is scheduled for October 20, 2005, 6:00-8:00 p.m.