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MINUTES OF
CITY OF EDINA, MINNESOTA
TRANSPORTATION COMMISSION
COMMUNITY ROOM
February 16, 2012
6:00 P.M.
New members, Courtney Whited, Tom LaForce and Surya Iyer were welcomed to the Commission.
ROLLCALL Answering roll call was Members Bass, Braden, Franzen, Iyer, Janovy, LaForce, Nelson, Schweiger, Thompson,
and Whited.
APPROVAL OF MEETING AGENDA
Motion was made by member Franzen and seconded by member Thompson approving the meeting agenda. All voted
aye. Motion carried.
APPROVAL OF MINUTES - REGULAR MEETING OF JANUARY 19, 2012
Motion was made by member Thompson and seconded by member Nelson to approve the minutes. All voted aye.
Motion carried.
APRPOVAL OF TRAFFIC SAFETY REPORT OF FEBRUARY 1, 2012
Motion was made by member Franzen and seconded by member Nelson accepting the February 1, 2012 Traffic Safety
Report. All voted aye. Motion carried.
COMMUNITY COMMENT – None.
REPORT/RECOMMENDATIONS
Tracy Avenue Roadway Reconstruction Feasibility Study
City engineer Houle said the feasibility report completed by Mr. Andy Plowman of WSB & Associates, was handed out
recently. He said Mr. Plowman was in attendance to answer questions. Mr. Houle said all of Tracy Avenue was in the
Capital Improvement Plan for concrete replacement but upon closer scrutiny it was determined that more work was
needed and therefore, the roadway was broken into two phases from Vernon Avenue to Benton Avenue, and Benton
Avenue to the crosstown. Additionally, staff is working on a grant for up to $500,000 through MnDOT for the crosstown
interchange at Tracy Avenue. Some of the issues are concrete replacement and an offset intersection at Benton and, Mr.
Houle said now is time to evaluate making changes. He said Council also asked that they consider a sidewalk on the west
side.
He said discussions included leaving the intersection as is or realign with a roundabout. He said staff’s recommendation
is to realign the intersection with a roundabout which fits well with bus turning movements and does not slow fire
trucks response time. He said the roundabout is safer because crossing distance for pedestrians are decreased and when
in the roundabout drivers are only looking to the left instead of looking 4 ways like a 4-way intersection, and it also
serves as a traffic calming measure. Additional recommended features include bike lanes to comply with the City of
Edina’s Comprehensive Bicycle Transportation Plan; instead of sidewalk on the west side which would require 9 ft. of
right-of-way, they are instead going to improve crossings; 28 parking spaces; and bump-out intersections.
Discussion
Mr. Plowman handed out a revised survey tabulation. Chair Janovy asked if any of the response majorities had changed
and Mr. Plowman said that regarding the roundabout, it is now closer to 50/50. In reference to the feasibility report
stating support from the Countryside’s Site Council, chair Janovy said she has received information from the school
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district outlining the procedures to follow for their support and while the Site Council’s opinion is important, she said
they do not speak for the superintendent and the school board.
Everyone agreed that the roadway needs to be reconstructed and to keep existing sidewalk. Members’ feedback is as
follow:
Member Thompson said the bike lanes are critical to be consistent with Comp Plan. He said also to maximize parking on
the eastside and that bump-outs would help to slow traffic.
Member Bass agreed with the bike lanes because it is a school and riding could help to relieve congestion around
arrival/dismissal time. She also said research shows that bike lanes makes road safer. She said it does not appear that
people are committed to parking and suggested eliminating parking so prevent widened of the roadway. Mr. Houle
clarified that widening of the roadway is due to both parking and the bike lanes. He said widening on the west by 4 ft. is
necessary because of a storm sewer pipe on the east that would need to be moved and would increase cost because of
watershed rules.
Chair Janovy confirmed that per state law, bikers are allowed on the roadway.
Members Janovy, Schweiger, Braden, Iyer, LaForce, and Nelson agreed with the bike lanes. Member Iyer also agreed
with maximizing parking. Member LaForce asked if Vernon to the north was also striped with bike lanes. Mr. Houle said
no; he said this is the starting point and it gives them something to build on. Member Franzen said the ETC should focus
on Comp Plan related issues and not on parking.
Member Whited said according to residents no one is biking now. She suggested doing before/after counts to show
residents usage. She said she has seen an increase in biking on W. 58th since the new striping. Mr. Houle was asked
about the bike lane on Interlachen Blvd. He said ridership have increased on Interlachen Blvd which is striped with a 3-4
ft. lane on certain segment and share the road on other segment. He said most homes do not front Interlachen Blvd and
therefore parking was not an issue and the speed limit was and still is 30 mph. He said minor modifications were done to
a property near Bywood West to accommodate the bike lane.
Chair Janovy said there is a cost associated with parking and that TLC has an article about the myth of free parking. She
said based on 54 parking spaces, she calculated that the cost would be $1800/space and residents would be assessed
20% of this cost. If spaces are reduced to 28, she said the cost goes up to $3500/space. She said she has only seen one
car parked there. Member Iyer concurred that he too has not seen too many cars parked there and that most times
parking are only needed for lots of guests. He said the cost of parking though is relative. Member Bass said parking does
spike but there is not an overwhelming demand and it is used infrequently. Chair Janovy was asked if residents would be
assessed less if parking was eliminated and she said yes, approximately $250. Member Nelson noted that parking did not
appear important but the 2nd survey shows that residents are split 50/50. Member Franzen said they should be strategic
about parking and balance it with bump-outs. Mr. Houle said this would give visual cue to slow down vs. having a wide
open roadway and it was noted that last speed taken was at 36.7 meaning 85% of drivers were driving this speed or
lower.
Regarding the offset intersection, Member LaForce said leaving it ‘as is’ is not an option. It was noted that one survey
showed 65% favorable toward roundabout or realignment and another one showed 77% favorability. Mr. Houle said
roundabouts work great because studies show reduction of accidents; pedestrian safety is maximized; and they
simplify/reduces risk for drivers/pedestrians. Chair Janovy the intersection does not have a history of crashes so
therefore, nothing to reduce. She said there are 10 years of safety data. Member Thompson said it is being added as a
component to slow traffic and aid with flow during peak hours. Member Bass said the feel at the intersection is
confusing and this is how drivers should feel so that they’ll slow down. Member Nelson said he is a proponent of
roundabouts but leave as is because there are not too many problems. He said the intersection is odd but it works well.
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Member Franzen said it is functioning; however, the roundabout is safer and a better long term solution. In terms of
size, Mr. Houle said it would be comparable to the ones on W. 70th, although traffic volume is lower.
Mr. Plowman cited Mendota Heights with similar lower traffic volume, same issue and skepticism. He said the
roundabout was built and now everyone likes it. In addition to other features already noted, Mr. Plowman said studies
show that air quality also improves due to less stopping. Mr. Houle was asked if the City has a policy for roundabouts
and he said no because they are so new. He said Living Streets may address roundabouts.
Member Iyer asked about the cost vs. benefit. Mr. Houle said the volume is lower but the roundabout would help with
traffic flow. Member Iyer said there is an advantage to keep flow going but the cost is too high. Mr. Plowman said the
realignment is more expensive at $240,000 while the roundabout would be $165,000. Member Thompson said there is a
place on Benton where parents make U-turn to pick up students. Mr. Plowman said he has observed this and the
roundabout would eliminate the U-turns. Chair Janovy said this is an opportunity for education and enforcement at the
site. She said from the first survey, 23% said they were fine with the intersection; 58% said it was a problem; and 19%
were cautious. In the second survey 60% said to leave as is; and 40% said realign. She said she likes roundabouts but not
at this location. She said this one should have off ramps for bikers and it should be designed for all ages. Mr. Plowman
said off-ramps are only needed on dual lane roundabouts. Members Iyer and Bass concurred with Chair Janovy.
Residents Comments
Sue Nelson, 5701 Hawkes Ter – Ms. Nelson said she has been resident for 20+ years and a pass educator at Countryside.
She said realignment is a better option. She said she loves roundabouts but not in favor of one at this location because it
will not help.
Susan Clark, 5812 W. 61st – Ms. Clark said high school students drives Benton to Tracy to get to the high school and she
wondered if they will go all the way around the roundabout. She said it is good to consider the Countryside students.
She said the school has said they would need additional crossing guards. She said one problem is solved and another
created.
Judith Rogers, corner of Arbor Lane and Tracy – Ms. Rogers said drivers traveling south on Tracy from Vernon may not
see children in the roundabout. She said if obstructions are not placed in the roundabout drivers may drive over it and if
obstructions are placed, it may prevent drivers from seeing pedestrians.
Steve Enck, 5700 Benton – Mr. Enck said he is against the roundabout. He said he will not have safe access to his
driveway; every road is up hill; has hindrance; stop signs are working; pedestrian lane for children are bigger; might
improve flow of cars but not pedestrians; easier for crossing guards as is. And, speaking on behalf of his neighbor who is
confined to a wheelchair, he said neither of them has seen any accidents in their time as residents. He said only two
ideas were presented and suggested having three or four options including his suggestion to remove parking on Benton
from Tracy to the school’s driveway; widen Benton to the intersection, keeping the stop signs and allowing for better
turn movement for the buses.
Chair Janovy asked if other options were considered including widen of the west leg of Benton, near the intersection.
Mr. Plowman said widen would help the buses at the intersection but the idea was to create a design for the entire
operation of the corridor including speeding which is a problem for the residents. He said roundabouts are safer for
pedestrians because they are crossing 16 ft. of traffic at a time instead of 36 ft., plus four potential conflicts with the
offset intersection. Member Franzen said Mr. Enck’s driveway does seem to be a problem with the roundabout. Mr.
Houle said he would work with him to realign and landscape.
Bill Rogers, 6100 Arbor Lane – Mr. Rogers said he submitted written comments. He said 71% of residents on his survey
said the roundabout is not appropriate and neither is a standard cross intersection because it would cause T-bone
accidents. He said east on Benton there is a pond like a roundabout and a fatality that happened there could happen at
the roundabout and there have not been accidents to date. He said it is not broken, they do not want traffic to flow and
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if traffic backs up, so what? He said there is new specifications in the works for visual impair pedestrians which this
roundabout will not have. He said he liked Mr. Enck’s idea.
Ken Kjelland, 5600 Tracy – Mr. Kjelland said he has been a resident since 1982. He said he attended two meetings,
completed two surveys and report is still being submitted as is and not reflecting residents’ input. He said he has
concluded that residents do not have input.
Motion was made by member LaForce and seconded by member Bass for chair Janovy to write the recommendation
for submittal to the Council with assistance from members Nelson, Franzen and Bass. All voted aye. Motion carried.
Members were polled regarding the following (polling included student member Schweiger):
Bike Lanes: all said yes (10).
Parking: Staff said their recommendation is based on residents’ needs and to accommodate delivery vehicles which tend
to block traffic. Chair Janovy said deliveries were not a reason to retain parking. Member Bass said to reduce the travel
lanes down from 11 ft. to 10 ft. and not widen the road. She was informed that a variance would be required.
7 of 10 said yes to parking as proposed.
Reducing the speed limit to 25 mph because of the bike lanes: 2 of 10 said yes.
Motion was made by member Thompson and seconded by member LaForce to recommend the proposed design as is
north of Benton. 7 ayes, 2 nays. Motion carried.
Roundabout:
Motion was made by member Nelson and seconded by member Iyer to leave intersection as is. 8 ayes, 1 nay. Motion
carried.
Member Thompson said most residents were in favor of the roundabout. A suggestion was made to consider pedestrian
enhancements to improve crossing even though not recommending roundabouts, e.g. dynamic speed monitor,
crosswalks, enforcements, etc.
Motion was made by member Iyer and seconded by member Bass to modify previous motion to say leave intersection
as is and consider pedestrian enhancements to improve crossing.
Motion was made by member Iyer and seconded by member Bass to have limited parking, bike lanes, and no change
to the intersection.
Discussion ensued regarding a motion made earlier by member Thompson and this motion which are in conflict.
Member Iyer withdrew his motion.
TLC Bike Boulevard Update
Mr. Houle said Katie Bruwelheide, traffic engineer with Alliant Engineering would give an update on the TLC Bike
Boulevard. He asked that the ETC provide feedback before an informational meeting is scheduled with residents. He said
the plan will be to come back to the ETC after the informational meeting with residents and then on to the Council for a
public hearing.
Ms. Bruwelheide said the route starts at 54th & Zenith west on 54th to Wooddale Avenue, south of Wooddale to Valley
View Road, under TH-62 and down to 70th into an existing bike path. She said construction is tentatively scheduled to
begin August with completion by fall. She said they are requesting design exceptions on a couple segments. She said the
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project has eight segments that are divided into two phases with phase two being the most difficult. Phase I is 54th to
north of TH-62 and Phase II from north of TH-62 to W. 70th. Funding is not yet available for Phase II. The eight segments
are:
Phase I
1. 54th Ave – Xerxes to France Avenue
Option: Bike Boulevard
2. (A) 54th – France to Minnehaha Creek
Option 1: Shared Lanes
Option 2: Advisory Lanes
Option 3: Shared Lane and Bike Lane
(B) 54th – Brookview Ave to Wooddale Avenue
Option 1: Shared Lanes
Option 2: Bike Lanes
3. Wooddale Ave – 54th to Valley View Road
Option 1: Bike Lanes
Option 2: Advisory Lanes
4. Valley View Road – Woodddale to Brookview Avenue
Option: Colored Shared Lanes
Phase II
5. Valley View Road – Brookview Ave to 64th Street
Option: Bike Lanes
6. Valley View Road – 64th to 65th Street
Option: Colored Shared Lanes
7. Valley View Road – 65th to 66th Street
Option: Dedicated Bike Lanes
8. Valley View Road – 66th to 69th Street
Option: Dedicated Bike Lanes
Discussion
This route, the first phase of the Comprehensive Bike Plan, was chosen and narrowed down from an original route and it
aligns with Minneapolis’ bike lanes.
Motion was made by member Thompson and seconded by member Nelson for the consultant to present options to
the public that is most likely to be approved by State Aid. All voted aye. Motion carried.
Living Streets Workshop Recap
Motion was made by member Franzen and seconded by member Nelson to table Living Streets Workshop Recap until
next meeting. All voted aye. Motion carried.
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Living Streets Consultant Selection
After brief discussion, the consensus was to go with BARR Engineering, the only firm that submitted a proposal.
Edina Transportation Commission Bylaws
Chair Janovy said the bylaws should be adopted as written; however, she received permission to change the quorum
from 5 to a simple majority of seated voting members, and also a section that seemed confusing was “If a quorum is not
achieved within 15 minutes….” She said if they agree they can vote to make these changes at the next meeting.
Updates
Student Member - No updates.
Bike Edina Task Force – Minutes of January 12, 2012 - No updates.
Grandview Small Area Study
Member Nelson said the public comment period is still going on and the framework is online at
www.edinacitizenengagement.org. He said two public meetings were held and approximately 25-30 people attended.
Council will receive the recommendation on April 17.
Living Streets Working Group
Member Thompson said they need discuss how to move forward. Chair Janovy said they could consider creating a
committee of the whole.
CORRESPONDENCE AND PETITIONS – None
CHAIR AND COMMISSION MEMBER COMMENTS
Member Nelson said France Avenue was recently restriped to single lane and he has seen cars using the shoulder as a
driving lane. His suggestion of marking the shoulder to show that it is not a driving lane will be forwarded to Hennepin
County by Mr. Houle.
Member Bass talked briefly about a campaign that the City of Rochester (See Safe Smart) is doing and a possible funding
opportunity through the Met Council for France Avenue. She will talk more these at the next meeting. She also asked
about Engineering Department staffing which Mr. Houle addressed below.
STAFF COMMENTS
Update on France Avenue Pedestrian Bridge Re-scoping
Mr. Houle said City Manager Neal and WSB & Associates consultant Chuck Rickart made the presentation to the Funding
and Programming Committee of the TAC, which is advisory to the Met Council’s Transportation Advisory Board (TAB). He
said some of the TAC’s concerns were not addressing bike facility and at crossing video detection. He said some on the
the committee felt the bridge was safer than grade separation. He said the vote was 8 ayes and 10 nays. He said they
will be appealing to the TAB and Mr. Rickart to checking to see they can appeal to the TAC. Mr. Houle said it is promising
because the TAB recently overturned a sunset date for another project.
Staffing in the Engineering Department– Mr. Houle said the entire City has gone through reorganization. He said he was
the public works director/city engineer and as of recent he is no longer the public works director. He said they are
currently advertising to fill the assistant city engineer position but this person will not be the liaison to the ETC. Mr.
Houle will continue as the liaison until a transportation engineer is hired. Additionally, the utility engineer position will
be vacant soon and this position will be changed to an environmental engineer (if approved by Council) and serve as the
liaison to the EEC.
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Mr. Houle asked the commission if they would be interested in an orientation on functionality of the City. He said
assistant city manager Kurt has put together a PowerPoint presentation that they might find useful. They all agreed that
this would be helpful. It will be scheduled one hour before the next scheduled meeting in March.
Regarding the agenda, Mr. Houle said it is set up similar to the Council agenda showing upcoming meeting dates and
events. He said members can add meeting dates also.
ADJOURNMENT
Meeting adjourned at 10:10 p.m.
ATTACHMENT
Attendance Spreadsheet