HomeMy WebLinkAbout1998-05-12 Park Board Minutes 1
EDINA PARK BOARD
7:30 p.m.
MAY 12, 1998
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MEMBERS PRESENT: Andrew Montgomery, Jean Rydell, Phyllis Kohler, Bill Jenkins,
Tom White, Andy Herring, Dave Fredlund, Beth Hall, Dave
Crowther
MEMBERS ABSENT: Becky Bennett, John Dovolis
STAFF PRESENT: John Keprios, Janet Canton, Susie Miller
OTHERS PRESENT: Frank Cardavelle, Marjorie Ruedy, Dick Bielke, Ann Sheely,
Greg Benson, Tami Kaminsen, Debbie Mahon, Colleen Pause,
Peter Pause, Lois Cardarelle
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I. ADAPTIVE RECREATION SUPERVISOR
Mr. Keprios introduced Susie Miller, the new Adaptive Recreation Supervisor. Ms.
Miller informed the Park Board that she graduated from Mankato State University with a
degree in Therapeutic Recreation. She explained that she did her practicum under Jackie
Doncavage, former Adaptive Recreation Supervisor, at West Hennepin Community
Center. After that she worked for a long-term care facility for a couple of years and most
recently worked at the Senior Center in Coon Rapids. Ms. Miller pointed out that the
reason she chose her field of work is because of adaptive recreation and therefore is really
excited about her new position.
II. APPROVAL OF THE APRIL 14, 1998 PARK BOARD MINUTES
Jean Rydell MOVED TO APPROVE THE APRIL 14, 1998 PARK BOARD MINUTES.
Beth Hall SECONDED THE MOTION. MINUTES APPROVED.
III. MNDOT PROPERTY LIMITED USE PERMIT - NEIGHBORHOOD REQUEST
Mr. Keprios noted that as his staff report outlined he received a letter from Frank
Cardarelle requesting that the City maintain approximately two acres of trees and grass in
the Northwest quadrant of the intersection of Crosstown Highway 62 and Highway 100.
He noted that he was informed by MNDOT that they would need a letter from the City
requesting access to that area to be used as a park. Mr. Keprios pointed out that he
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researched this piece of property to see if it had ever come before the Park Board in the
past and found out it has not.
Mr. Keprios indicated that he did talk to MNDOT and they are willing to send him an
application for a limited use permit which would allow the City to move the fence and
maintain that piece of property. However, they would probably not be interested in
selling the property. A Limited Use Permit would grant the City access and the City
would be held responsible for maintenance of it for a period of ten years.
Frank Cardarelle, resident, indicated that the reason he suggested this is because the
neighborhood does not have a park within a half mile. He stated that obviously there are
some hoops to jump through and some problems but right now the land is mainly being
used by the rabbits. They would like to see it used for the kids and for people to walk
their dogs, have a few picnic tables put in, etc. He pointed out that the neighborhood
doesn’t expect it to be a big expensive park, they just want to see it mowed. Mr.
Cardarelle indicated that the topic of moving the fence has come up. He noted that he is a
surveyor and therefore does a tremendous amount of staking and does a lot of work for
fence companies. He stated that it would probably be cheaper to build a new fence rather
than move the old fence. He commented that another problem is money and he
understands everyone is on a tight budget. However, the neighborhood would like to see
it used rather than just sit there and noted that MNDOT would prefer to work through the
City rather than through the neighbors. Mr. Cardarelle pointed out that the young kids in
the neighborhood now have to play on the parking lot at Normandale Church.
Ms. Kohler asked what would the access be in which Mr. Cardarelle replied it could be
accessed from Wilryan Avenue and by 62nd St. Mr. Cardarelle gave a brief history of the
land and explained that it used to be where his grandfather’s farm was and was then
known as Robert’s Estate. Therefore, he feels Robert’s Park would be a good name for it.
Mr. Montgomery asked why this land hasn’t been used for buildable lots. Mr. Cardarelle
noted that the survey from 30 years ago shows 3 buildable lots. However, he indicated
that the neighborhood would rather see it as open space and a park than see houses built
there.
Mr. Crowther asked Mr. Keprios for his perspective on the suitability of this piece of
property for a public park. Mr. Keprios replied that he personally doesn’t see this piece
of land as a park because it is right off the clover leaf of an extremely highly traveled
freeway. He stated that there is no question it would beautify the area, however, he does
not feel it is prime real estate for a neighborhood park.
Mr. Crowther asked what is the city’s position on leasing versus owning property or
parks. He asked if the city currently has any parks that they do not own outright. Mr.
Keprios replied no, however, there are some small pieces of property owned by the state
next to freeways that the city does maintain just to keep the city more beautified. He
noted that it is fairly minimal and the reason the city does it is because the state does such
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a lousy job of maintaining their property. Mr. White asked if the city maintains this piece
of property right now in which Mr. Keprios replied no.
Ms. Kohler asked what would be the down side of having a 10 year lease. Mr. Keprios
explained that the down side would be the added maintenance and the cost of putting in a
fence, however, he stated that he doesn’t have the numbers at this point.
Mr. White asked Mr. Keprios if he has talked to the neighborhood about having them
make a gift to cover that expense in which Mr. Keprios commented that he hadn’t
considered that.
Pete Pause, resident, indicated there was one occasion when a drunk driver drove through
the fence and came right into their house. Therefore, they would feel much better if the
fence were up closer to the freeway. He also pointed out that he thinks a number of the
neighbors would be willing to help with the maintenance or whatever is necessary to help
out.
Dick Bielke, resident, feels that a chain link fence should provide an adequate safety
barrier and this park would be a lot safer for the kids to play compared to the asphalt
parking lot at the church.
Tami Kaminsen, resident, noted that she has a 9 year-old and an 11 year-old and there
isn’t a park close by where they can play other than the church parking lot. Therefore, it
would be great to see a park at that site.
Mr. Crowther indicated that when he walked the area his only major concern is safety.
He stated that even with a fence it is right along the freeway which creates a potential
danger because kids will hit balls over fences and go chase them, etc. In addition, there is
zero visibility to the park from the residential side because of the mature trees. Therefore,
he indicated that he would be interested in the neighborhoods comments and feelings on
these issues because it is your kids who would be using the park.
Mr. Cardarelle asked if there have been problems at Strachauer Park because that park is
located just off of the Crosstown Highway. Mr. Keprios replied that they have had a few
problems with vehicles crashing through the fenced area, which is why they have
designed the park so that the athletic fields are far enough to the north. He added that the
two parks are not really the same in that with Robert’s Park you are within 50 ft. of cars
traveling 55 mph.
Greg Benson, resident, pointed out that it is also a safety factor for kids to walk to one of
the parks that is a half a mile away. He also noted that it is a fairly close neighborhood
and everyone keeps an eye on everyone. Again, it would be a lot better than playing at
the church parking lot.
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It was asked what is the general make-up for the neighborhood kid wise. In other words,
are there a lot of children? It was noted there are quite a few kids. For a long time the
neighborhood was practically childless and now people have moved in and there are a lot
more kids. It’s also a neighborhood that doesn’t have a lot of traffic. A resident pointed
out that there are probably 20 kids within ½ a block or more.
Phyllis Kohler stated that she is reluctant to make a comment because she has not actually
walked the property. However, if the neighborhood wants this and there doesn’t seem to
be much a downfall could we try it on a short-term basis. It was noted that the short-term
basis would last 10 years.
Ms. Rydell indicated that she thinks this issue should be tabled until we know how much
it’s going to cost to fence it and maintain it. Mr. Keprios replied that he can get those
figures. He also commented to the neighborhood that he finds it interesting that they
don’t want any playground equipment, yet they want the kids to play there. The
neighborhood replied that they want open space, a couple of picnic tables, a couple of
trails and the grass mowed. They don’t expect anything elaborate.
Ms. Rydell MOVED TO TABLE THIS UNTIL NEXT MONTH WHEN THE PARK
BOARD HAS A LITTLE MORE INFORMATION ON THE COST OF ANNUAL
MAINTENANCE AND THE COST OF A FENCE. Dave Fredlund SECONDED THE
MOTION.
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY,
A resident indicated that the concern of not being able to see the kids was brought up.
She noted that she would be opposed to cutting down any trees to make that area open
space. Mr. Keprios replied that on a limited use permit basis they still won’t own the
property, and therefore cannot cut down any trees.
IV. REQUEST TO RE-NAME BRAEMAR WEST ARENA
Mr. Keprios explained that Lee Otis, former Edina resident, sent a letter to Andrew
Montgomery back when Andy was the Chair asking to re-name Braemar West Arena to
the Bill Nyrop Arena. Mr. Keprios indicated that this is a unique situation for him
because he also was a very close personal friend of Mr. Nyrop. Mr. Keprios pointed out
that the issue here is naming facilities. However, he noted that he feels this is more
political in nature than anything.
Mr. Crowther asked if there have been any other inquiries or is it just this one individual
and if it is just one individual do we need to act on a single person’s request for us to do
this. Mr. Keprios responded there was some talk regarding this at the start of when we
were going to build the third ice rink.
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Mr. Jenkins stated that he also was a very close friend of Mr. Nyrop and is also a friend of
Lee Otis, however, he does have different thoughts on this. He thinks Mr. Crowther has a
good point in regards to Mr. Otis being a resident of South Dakota and putting this
together. However, if the rink is going to be named after a hockey person of Edina that
would be the person to name it after.
Mr. Fredlund asked if the other two sheets of ice are named in which Mr. Keprios replied
they are known as the West rink, East rink and now South rink, which are obviously
named by their orientation.
Mr. White asked what happened to the Jerry Dalen commons in which Mr. Keprios
responded that the City Council approved the Park Board's recommendation to name the
Jerry Dalen’s Commons at Braemar Arena.
Mr. Crowther noted that he attempted to talk to a couple of politicians and was unable to
make contact with any of them to see what kind of feel they have for the whole issue. He
noted that he feels this has been put on the agenda because of this one non-resident letter
and he has not heard about this from anyone else. Mr. Crowther stated that he also was a
good friend of Bill Nyrop and also knows Lee Otis, however, he feels maybe we need to
do a little more work to see if it’s an appropriate way to honor him or not. Mr. Crowther
pointed out that the Edina Football Association has created an award in his name and is
giving out a scholarship to a high school football player every year now from this point
forward. However, he knows that does not mean that other things cannot be done. He
stated that he would be more in favor of tabling this issue until more research can be done
and more people can be contacted.
Mr. Herring indicated that he would like to put a motion on the table to not proceed with
this because he feels that naming everything is getting out of control. He noted that he
did not know Bill Nyrop, however, every time he turns around we are looking at another
one of these requests. Mr. Herring also pointed out that we have a number of people,
including an upcoming retiree, whom we want to bestow a similar honor with respect to a
facility or park.
Mr. White stated that he would be willing to second the motion and vote against it,
however, if people came back to us and said this is a way we think we can honor Bill
Nyrop and there is a community swell of support behind it, than he would be willing to
reconsider it. Mr. White stated that at this point in time he would prefer to simply table it
so we can see if we can get more support for it. However, if people came back at a later
date then he would be willing to reconsider it.
Andy Herring MOVED THAT THE PARK BOARD NOT RECOMMEND THAT WE
NAME ONE OF THE ARENAS AFTER BILL NYROP. Phyllis Kohler SECONDED
THE MOTION.
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IN FAVOR - Andrew Montgomery, Jean Rydell, Phyllis Kohler, Tom White, Andy
Herring, Dave Fredlund, Beth Hall.
NOT IN FAVOR - Bill Jenkins, Dave Crowther
V. OTHER
A. Scoreboard at Courtney Ballfield - Mr. Keprios informed the Park Board that the
City Council did pass the recommendation 100% to put in new scoreboards at Courtney
Ballfield. He noted that the scoreboards are just about ready to be put in the ground with
advertising on them.
B. Wooddale Park - Mr. Keprios informed the Park Board that the City Council did pass
the recommendation to put in portable toilets at Wooddale Park. He noted that we will
readdress the issue again this fall and send out another mailing to the neighborhood.
C. Van Valkenburg - Mr. Jenkins indicated that he has been spending a fair amount of
time at Van Valkenburg with the Girls Fast Pitch Association and someone is going to get
hurt from a foul ball out there. Two people were just about were hurt the other day. Mr.
Keprios pointed out that he is aware of the problem and is working on a plan to put
netting out at Van Valkenburg. Mr. Keprios also added that Van Valkenburg wasn’t
originally designed for fast pitch softball but was designed for slow pitch softball, which
is why there are currently no protective netting behind the backstops.
D. Courtney Ball Fields - Mr. Montgomery asked how the Courtney Fields are coming
along in which Mr. Keprios replied that their target date is June 8th. He indicated that
they are still putting in scoreboards and reseeding. The dugouts, the regraded fields with
new irrigation and fencing and new lighting look great. Mr. Keprios indicated that our
next biggest challenge out there will be the concessions building.
E. Pamela Park Fields - Mr. Jenkins asked how Pamela Park is coming along regarding
the turf in which Mr. Keprios replied it is going very slowly and that they are not going to
be able to be played on this year. Mr. Jenkins asked where all of those participants are
playing and it was noted that they are being scattered throughout a lot of our local fields
and have had to tightened up their game schedule. Mr. Keprios also commented that the
Edina Youth Softball Association has to be given a lot of credit for being very
cooperative and understanding.
F. Senior Center - Mr. Herring asked Mr. Keprios to explain what the current status is
with the Senior Center. Mr. Keprios informed the Park Board that the City Council has
decided not to sell the Kunz-Oil/Lewis Engineering site to the Edina School District. He
noted that the City Council is looking at a lot of different options. One possibility is to
put a community center/senior center at the site. The City Council is also considering
gymnasiums with a senior center, as well as, relocating the library to that site which
would allow for the expansion of City Hall, which is desperately needed. Therefore,
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when the City Council has addressed and put to the rest the Lewis Engineering site plans,
then the Senior Center will be either be resolved or we will be back to the drawing table
with the three original options: stay where they are; add on to the existing Edina
Community Center or go the YMCA. They have not eliminated any of these possibilities
yet.
G. Aquatennial - Mr. White noted that he thought at one time there was something
mentioned about the Aquatennial Swim Meet that is scheduled for the outdoor pool and
asked if they were going to change the date or move it to the evening. Mr. Keprios
replied that is one of the items that will be discussed at a meeting he has been asked to
attend next week with Mr. Rosland and the new president of the Edina Swim Club. Mr.
Keprios indicated that Mr. Crowther had asked him to put that issue on the agenda and
Mr. Rosland has directed him not to because it is not a Park Board issue at this point.
The issue is being handled administratively, which is a directive from the City Council.
Mr. Keprios pointed out that this year the aquatennial will be held at the University of
Minnesota.
H. Garden Council - Mr. Keprios noted that Garden Council had an outstanding plant
sale this year.
VI. ADJOURNMENT
Andy Herring MOVED TO ADJOURN THE MEETING AT 8:25 P.M. Andrew
Montgomery SECONDED THE MOTION. MEETING ADJOURNED.