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EDINA PARK BOARD
7:00 P.M.
COUNCIL CHAMBERS
MARCH 11, 2003
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MEMBERS PRESENT: Andy Finsness, Mike Damman, Karla Sitek, Ardis Wexler, George
Klus, Jeff Johnson, Floyd Grabiel, Linda Presthus, Allyson
Grande, Mike Weiss
MEMBERS ABSENT: David Fredlund
STAFF PRESENT: John Keprios, Ed MacHolda, Janet Canton
OTHERS PRESENT: Tom White, Dick Cermele, Dale Nelson, Jim Nunn, Fred Fink,
Bob Rauch, Kathryn Peterson
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I. ELECTION OF OFFICERS
John Keprios indicated that Ardis Wexler would like to be considered for the position of
Vice Chair and asked if it could be delayed for later because she will not be able to be at
the Park Board at 7:00 p.m. It was decided to delay the election for vice chair until later
in the meeting.
Mr. White asked for nominations for chair. Floyd Grabiel NOMINATED GEORGE
KLUS FOR CHAIR. Jeff Johnson SECONDED THE NOMINATION.
Nominations closed. George Klus was voted as Chair of the Park Board.
II. TOM WHITE
Mr. Keprios explained that he asked Tom White to attend the Park Board meeting
because he wanted to thank him for all of his services to the Park Board. Mr. Keprios
indicated that Mr. White will be recognized at the Board and Commission meeting.
III. APPROVAL OF THE TUESDAY, NOVEMBER 12, 2002 PARK BOARD
MINUTES
Floyd Grabiel MOVED TO APPROVE THE NOVEMBER 12, 2002 PARK BOARD
MINUTES. Linda Presthus SECONDED THE MOTION. MINUTES APPROVED.
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IV. EDINA THEATRE COMPANY – DR. DICK CERMELE
Mr. Keprios introduced Dr. Dick Cermele and noted that he comes to the Edina Park and
Recreation Department with a tremendous amount of talent and background in the area of
theatre, drama and especially directing. He stated that he wants to thank Dr. Cermele
publicly for all of the volunteer time that he has put forward.
Dr. Cermele indicated that they were hoping to produce their first play just before the
week of Thanksgiving. He explained that he chose a play that only has three characters
in it, two women and a man. However, two weeks into rehearsal the male actor had
scheduling conflicts and therefore left. At that time they decided to get through the
holiday season and wait a little while. He noted that they hope to have their first
production ready the first week of June.
Dr. Cermele stated that he has directed and acted in a lot of plays over the years and now
that he is retired he was looking for something to do and wanted to start up a community
theatre in Edina. He noted that he met with Mr. Keprios who suggested looking at the
Grange Hall as a place for them. Dr. Cermele commented that the Grange Hall was not
designed to be a theatre but it could be and will be.
Dr. Cermele informed the Park Board that approximately 60 women have volunteered
their efforts in many directions, however, they are having a more difficult time finding
men. He noted that this will be their first big challenge before they can resume their
rehearsals.
Dr. Cermele explained that they envision charging $5.00 a ticket for at least the first
couple of seasons. He noted that he has figured out that they could arrange
approximately 80 chairs and still have a good playing area. He indicated that they are not
here to make money but are here to offer and produce plays for the people of Edina. Dr.
Cermele pointed out that they are going to try to give preference to actors from Edina
first and then actors from elsewhere.
Mr. Klus commented to Mr. Keprios that he assumes he has helped them with their initial
budget to which it was noted yes. Mr. Klus informed Dr. Cermele that he may also want
to check with community organizations and service clubs in Edina about donating money
to the community theatre. He noted that he thinks a lot of organizations and clubs would
gladly like to see them grow.
Ms. Presthus stated that she thinks the budget does not look very realistic and asked if
there is a shortfall who is going to cover it. Mr. Keprios replied that those are all fair
comments however, he thinks we are in a position to expect some level of subsidy to help
get them started. Ms. Presthus commented that she would like to know where the money
is coming from to which Mr. Keprios explained that they have a budget set aside to help
get them off the ground. It’s part of the service they provide, they give them a facility, a
venue and help get them started and become self-sufficient. Ms. Presthus asked if they
go over budget do we have a contingency of $5,000 to $10,000 extra. Mr. Keprios
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replied that there are going to be some revenues to which they will pay back a big share.
He noted that these are volunteers, whom are not paid. He stated that any money they
generate will go right back to the people who are putting out the dollars.
Dr. Cermele pointed out that the biggest items on the budget are lights and costumes,
therefore when they are having problems with the budget they need to chose plays that
are modern where people can use their own costumes. He noted that small cast plays are
easy to costume and easy to light. Dr. Cermele stated that in a community like this of
highly educated people for the most part they want to produce and establish a reputation
of quality productions. People accept anything if it’s done well and he can do it well as
he has proved with his career over the years.
Mr. Finsness commented that he thinks the venue will help to gain attendance rather than
hinder it. He noted that he thinks people will go just to be in that venue. He pointed out
that they will be on shaky legs the first couple of years and it’s going to be a real
challenge but he knows they can do it.
V. EDINA TRAVELING BASEBALL CLUB
Mr. Klus stated that as Mr. Keprios stated in his memo there are two issues that need to
be dealt with tonight. First, which rate should the Edina Traveling Baseball Club (ETBC)
have to pay and second what priority does the ETBC fall under. Mr. Klus read through
the list of priorities.
Mr. Keprios pointed out that it’s important to remember that two years ago when the
policy was put together it was developed with the intent that you want to recognize each
youth athletic association as the priority provider for that particular sport for all age
groups. He explained that was the intent because different groups were starting to come
forward saying that they demand access to the city’s facilities because they didn’t like the
way certain programs were being run. Mr. Keprios stated that is why the policy was put
in place, however, the policy as written does not specify recognizing one group that
serves all ages and needs for that particular sport. That way they won’t have to deal with
three, four, five or six competing groups who all have different philosophies. Mr.
Keprios informed the Park Board that what has happened is a group of parents went out
and became incorporated to be in compliance with the existing policy. However, in his
view, what doesn’t work here is that it doesn’t serve the greater population.
Mr. Keprios explained that if you equate this to the soccer scenario, there are two
different soccer organizations out there. The Edina Soccer Club is the traveling
component, which really doesn’t compete with Edina Soccer Association. They are in
cooperation with each other. He noted in his view the baseball issue is not an apples to
apples scenario. Mr. Johnson asked why can’t baseball be run like soccer. Mr. Keprios
replied that in his view the ETBC is essentially in competition with an existing program
that is already being offered for that age group. He noted his view is that a group of
people didn’t like the way the Edina Baseball Association (EBA) changed their program
and they wanted to have something different. He pointed out that when he says different
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he thinks this group wanted the baseball program to be run the same way it was the
previous year.
Ms. Presthus asked if this is a one-year deal and does it only incorporate 12 year-olds.
Mr. Keprios suggested that the Park Board hear from both groups and then ask specific
questions of them.
Kathryn Peterson, President of the ETBC, indicated that she has served on the Edina
Soccer Club for many years, has been a coach for the Edina Soccer Association and the
Edina Youth Softball Association and has been a team manager and volunteer for both
soccer and hockey. Ms. Peterson noted that in her role with the Edina Soccer Board she
brought organization, professionalism and the highest level of integrity to it. She
commented that she would not be part of an organization if it didn’t represent those
qualities. She noted that she joined the Soccer Board because it was disorganized and
seemed to lack accountability for anything and stated that she thinks it’s fair to say that
she left the board in many times better shape than when she had started. Bob Rauch,
Secretary of the ETBC, indicated that he has coached both baseball and basketball and
has also been the ice coordinator for the Edina Hockey Association. He added that he
continues to work on many projects in an unofficial capacity with the associations. Fred
Fink, ETBC board member, indicated that he has been a board member on the Edina
Basketball Association and Edina Girls Traveling Basketball Association. He noted that
he has also coached in-house basketball, traveling basketball and football.
Ms. Peterson explained that their club evolved to fill a void that occurred when some
fairly drastic changes were made in the EBA program that were unveiled in late
November. Therefore, they stepped in to continue the traveling programs that had been
taken away from the 12 year old age group. She noted that she believes they meet all of
the criteria that are laid forth in the city’s guidelines for priority two. She indicated that
the first criteria is that their organization is solely for the Edina community to which they
are 100% for the Edina youth who live or go to school in Edina. The second criteria is
that they form a non-profit organization to which they are incorporated under Minnesota
law. She stated that because they have not completed a fiscal year they do not have
information for the third criteria, however, once it is available she will send Mr. Keprios
a statement of their financial status. The fourth criteria is that they are open to all
players. Ms. Peterson informed the Park Board that they mailed out over 300 postcards
to 6th grade boys in Edina inviting them to tryouts, which were open to everyone. She
noted that 29 registrants signed up, which represent approximately 30% of the active
registered players in this age group who registered for traveling baseball. Ms. Peterson
indicated that their board meetings are open to the public and are posted on their website
as well as their meeting minutes. She also pointed out that they have invited and have
had an EBA board member at several of their meetings. Ms. Peterson stated that they are
available to answer questions via e-mail from their web site. She also noted that they will
be holding a parent informational meeting before they make any plans for the season to
get input from interested parties. Ms. Peterson pointed out that their teams play during
the spring and summer, which is also the primary season for the EBA.
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Dale Nelson, President of the EBA, indicated that he has been on the board for six years
and noted that he would like to respond to a few proposals made by the ETBC. He
explained that last fall they were approached by Brad Baker, a former EBA board
member and coach, who indicated that he wanted to take some 12 year old kids and
practice during the week and play tournaments because they did not like the traveling
program or the little league program. Mr. Nelson stated that just as a point of fact this
group rejected their traveling program early on and also rejected the little league program
as not suitable. Mr. Nelson explained that they have checked with surrounding
communities as well as they have they have consulted with youth development and sports
experts about what’s best for the community in developing youth through baseball. He
noted that this is the first time they have been affiliated with little league baseball in
Edina.
Mr. Nelson informed the Park Board that the EBA has over 900 registrants to which
some 12 year olds have registered to play in both programs. He noted that EBA feels
they are the primary baseball association in Edina and that they should have access to the
fields and if there is field space left over then obviously any citizen group can apply for
that. He indicated that they are providing a program for kids of all ages and ability levels
and are trying to meet the needs of all kids.
Mr. Finsness asked if the 29 registered players are the “cream of the crop” to which Mr.
Rauch replied he doesn’t know how you would be able to answer that. However, if
you’re asking whether the bulk of those boys played traveling baseball last year the
answer would be yes. Mr. Johnson commented that he would guess that is probably the
case.
Ms. Presthus asked the ETBC what their purpose is. She asked if this is a one year shot
and is it only for 12 year olds or will they be expanding it to other age groups. Mr. Rauch
replied that they don’t see this as a one year measure. He noted that they would like to
work similar to the way the Edina Soccer Association does. Mr. Rauch commented that
they don’t want to be viewed as a group of people who are doing a one year thing just for
their kids. He indicated that at that meeting they offered to interview board members
from the EBA who would like to join the traveling part of baseball. Mr. Rauch indicated
that he can see the two organizations living together harmoniously in the future.
Ms. Peterson pointed out that given the time frame they had to work with there was only
so much they could do and they needed to start somewhere. She indicated that they did
make the offer to try to merge into the EBA and have a merged organization.
Mr. Keprios indicated that under the ETBC’s Articles of Incorporation it states their
purpose is to organize, operate, educate, promote and stimulate interests in the game of
baseball for players under the age of 17 in Edina. He asked if they are opening the
program up to all of those under 17 or is it just for 12 year-olds. Ms. Peterson replied
they put that in just for the purpose of incorporation. Mr. Keprios commented that in his
view that’s an issue in itself to say that you are going to become a non-profit group to
serve a certain age group and then turn around and only serve a selected age group. Mr.
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Klus asked if there is a reason why other age groups were not included. Ms. Peterson
replied it was a question of timing and resources because the EBA program was
announced in late November. Also, they wanted to start with something that was
manageable. Ms. Peterson explained that they are not trying to compete with the EBA
but rather they are trying to fill a void that was left when a program was eliminated for a
group of kids who wanted to continue with that program.
Mr. Klus asked Mr. Nelson if he understands correctly that in little league this year they
are going to allow some traveling. Mr. Nelson replied that there are some 12 year old
traveling players from last year who want to continue on that team. Therefore, they are
being allowed to play in some tournaments this year as a traveling team as a concession
to their concerns of wanting to stay together as a team and have that experience.
Mr. Fink stated that to follow up in terms of the different age groups they are intending
for it to be phased in. He noted that they have already had inquiries from 10 and 11 year
olds. He indicated that he expects the organization to be very viable in the future for a
variety of age groups. Mr. Fink explained that when the EBA originally announced their
plans to convert to little league status, some parents asked to have a 12-year old traveling
component within EBA’s program and have some concessions in the transition period.
Mr. Grabiel indicated that he has three questions. First, is EBA not run on democratic
principles, don’t board members have input. Second, why do we need two different
baseball programs in the City of Edina. Third, how is it that you are coming before the
Park Board on some kind of forming status and yet all of your materials have “City of
Edina” on them and are in “Care of Edina Park and Recreation” as though you are
already fully integrated with the Park and Recreation Department. Ms. Peterson replied
that she was given permission by Mr. MacHolda to use the City of Edina’s address on
their materials. She noted that she did not do it without permission.
Mr. Grabiel asked why do we need two baseball organizations. Ms. Peterson replied that
in her opinion the EBA made some fairly radical changes in their program that were
presented in meetings in late November as a done deal. They did not ask for input and
they did not do any marketing research. She stated that she felt they were sales meetings.
The EBA basically told them this is good for you and this is what we are going to do.
She noted that there was a lot of discussion at the meetings, there were questions about
transition, there were promises made by the EBA to have follow-up meetings, especially
for this age group, which did not happen. She indicated that what the EBA proposed was
a transition year where the 9, 10, 11 and house league 12 would play Little League and
that they would maintain traveling teams for the 12 year olds for a transition year.
Ms. Presthus asked Ms. Peterson if she is opposed to the Little League concept to which
she replied she is not opposed to the Little League concept. Mr. Rauch indicated that
they are not opposed to Little League being in existence, in fact they think it’s a very
good house program, they feel there is a need for a traveling program. Mr. Nelson
pointed out that the EBA Little League program does participate in 16 games in the metro
league as well as three tournaments per year. He explained that having a traveling team
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at age 12 was a very controversial issue with the EBA. Most of the board members felt
it’s not the type of programming they should be offering. They don’t believe it’s the best
way to develop their athletes. Therefore, he feels that the ETBC is rejecting the
traditional traveling program, they are not rejecting Little League.
Mr. Finsness asked how this would affect the fields and would there be enough space.
Mr. MacHolda replied that they aren’t necessarily adding more kids, they are just
working with two different organizations in terms of scheduling. Ms. Peterson informed
the Park Board that they have no interest in having priority over the EBA, they accept
second priority to lesser fields. She noted that she feels very confident in saying that they
will not have any issues with scheduling fields.
Ms. Presthus asked if she understands correctly that there is a traveling baseball program
as part of the EBA to which it was noted yes. Ms. Peterson clarified that EBA has a
minor traveling component and added that there are different focuses of the program.
Mr. Nelson stated that the Little League program is not a house program, that is a serious
mischaracterization of what Little League baseball is. Mr. Nelson explained that their
current traveling teams have a 16 metro league game schedule plus playoffs for ages 11
through 15 as well as the EBA has paid for three tournaments. This year, however,
instead of being in the metro league the Little League will still have the same three
tournaments as they would have had in traveling. He noted that it’s the same traveling
component that the 13A team will have.
Ms. Peterson asked Mr. Nelson to clarify that all seven teams in Little League are Edina
teams playing each other, which is in fact a house league. Mr. Nelson replied that they
are also playing against teams from Golden Valley.
Mr. Johnson asked Mr. Nunn what baseball program Minnetonka participates in to which
he replied they are in Little League. Mr. Nunn noted that the big difference between a
Little League program and a traveling program is traveling holds their tryouts in a
gymnasium in March. Little League play part of their season and then an all-star team is
formed based on their performance on the field.
Mr. Johnson asked why can’t baseball be run like soccer and hockey where there is one A
team and one B team and then five or six C teams. Mr. Rauch replied that he would hate
to sit here and debate which association has a better angle on this. He noted that all they
are asking for is field usage, they are not asking for priority over EBA.
Mr. Weiss asked if the question at hand is whether or not the ETBC qualifies for a
priority two status. Mr. Keprios replied that’s a great question and that’s where he has
the biggest issue. He indicated that if you read their articles of incorporation they are
supposed to be open like the EBA. However, they are serving only a small segment
within the group of baseball. He noted that if they are accepted under the articles of
which they’ve been formed there are now two competing traveling groups. Mr. Keprios
stated that in his view if you write this out he thinks their status should be a priority
seven. Again it was noted that the question is are they or are they not a priority two.
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Mr. Keprios pointed out that he was never approached on this issue until it was
essentially too late. He indicated that he asked the two groups to discuss this and come to
some sort of a compromise, which obviously did not happen. Mr. Keprios explained that
if the ETBC would be content with having their program exist for one year only he would
be fine with that, they could grandfather them in. He noted that they would be charged
the $8.00 per head user fee which would provide them with fields with the understanding
that it is a one year deal and next year it would be dissolved. Mr. Keprios stated that he
doesn’t think Edina wants or needs two baseball associations. Mr. Keprios indicated that
is a compromise that the Park Board might want to look at.
Ms. Wexler asked if the ETBC were granted this as a one year proposal what would
happen to the 12 year olds next year to which Ms. Peterson replied that would be a little
difficult to answer. She noted that it would depend on some other factors as well as if
there is a viable traveling program that exists within the EBA. If there were a viable
traveling program they would probably work back into that program. Ms. Peterson
explained that this began as a transition for this age group, it was created out of a need.
Ms. Sitek asked Ms. Peterson what was the void she referred to. Ms. Peterson replied
that the void was specifically a traveling baseball program. The players in the traveling
program last year were very hopeful to do it again this year. However, they were deeply
disappointment by the decisions made by the EBA. The kids felt that they had no input
on the matter. Ms. Peterson noted that the kids wanted to continue in the program that
they were so successful in last year and it was their expectation they would continue in
that program.
Mr. Johnson asked the ETBC if a 10 or 11 year old hot shot player would be able to play
on the 12 year-old team to which Ms. Peterson replied they would not preclude them but
they would not encourage them.
Mr. Grabiel asked if a 12 year old that’s never played baseball before and doesn’t have
much skill would he be able to come to the ETBC and play ball. Ms. Peterson replied
that the answer is not likely nor would he probably play in any other traveling baseball
program.
Ms. Peterson thanked the Park Board and commented that they are not asking the Park
Board to bless their program, all they are asking for is to have some field use. They are
willing to take second priority behind the EBA. She noted that she doesn’t understand
why this is such a big deal because they are all Edina kids just wanting to play Edina
baseball. She noted that she also is troubled with the motivation of the EBA to do
anything to try to impede their effort because it’s stated in the Little League materials that
their goal is to keep as many kids playing as possible in Edina. She noted that is their
goal as well and she believes it should be the Park Board’s goal also.
In closing comments Mr. Nelson indicated that the ETBC is a renegade team that went to
the state and received a formal charter to come to you as an association. He pointed out
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that as a renegade team they would have no rights but as an athletic association they do.
Mr. Nelson suggested to the Park Board that they consider the precedent of saying if any
group of parents in any sport do not like what an association is doing they can go to the
state and form their own association and come to Park Board and ask for equal standing.
He noted that’s not a precedent that he thinks should be started. Edina does not need 20
different baseball associations.
Mr. Keprios commented that he thinks it’s in Edina’s best interest to have your organized
sports run by one organization for each sport. If the traveling component spins off and
becomes a traveling club, such as the Soccer Club, in his view it is still one organization
they are dealing with. Mr. Keprios again pointed out that maybe a way to get through
this is to make them an offer that they may or may not accept. Let the ETBC exist for
one year with the agreement that at the end of one year it will be dissolved. Mr. Klus
commented that he thinks we have to be careful that we don’t allow them to come back
and do this again to which Mr. Keprios replied that next year you just say no. Mr.
Keprios noted that the other thing the Park Board could do is tell them they are not a
recognized organization and they are a priority seven and they need to pay fee of $38.00
an hour to rent a field.
Ms. Presthus explained that what bothers her is that the EBA does have a traveling
component except for this new 12 year old group. She noted that there is a traveling
component for age 13 on up. However, what this organization is doing and that she has a
problem with is there are two traveling programs, two conflicting organizations which
makes this different from soccer, basketball, etc. Mr. Klus commented that he thinks
what happened was there have been two different philosophies on what traveling baseball
should be. Ms. Presthus indicated just because people have different philosophies
doesn’t mean they can just go out and create their own association. Mr. Weiss stated that
he sees the EBA as being sanctioned by the City of Edina whereas the ETBC is an
independent organization that is trying to qualify for a priority two. Mr. Weiss pointed
out that they can argue the moral basis, however, they are in compliance with everything
as stated in our written policy. Ms. Presthus stated that the problem she sees is that we
are setting a precedent and opening ourselves up to everyone who wants to form their
own organization.
Mr. Damman stated that he doesn’t like the idea of having two organizations that fill the
same need, however, maybe we can grandfather them in for one year and have them go
back with everyone else next year. He noted that he also has the same fear of setting a
precedent.
Mr. Grabiel indicated that he thinks it’s important that the Park Board recognize one
association per sport where possible. He also pointed out that there is a recommended
guideline, in addition to all of the priorities, that all boys and girls receive equal
opportunities to participate in any activity at whatever ability level they play. He noted
that the EBA does that. Mr. Grabiel stated that he doesn’t think the ETBC is entitled to
near equal status because of that and therefore should be a priority seven.
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Mr. Finsness commented that he doesn’t think it’s in the best interest of the city to have
two competing organizations. It’s confusing and would be difficult to manage.
Ms. Grande stated that she thinks it will cause more problems if we allow this to happen
for the future with other organizations. She noted that she would suggest that they let
ETBC do this for one year but that it will end after one year. They ended last year’s
season with the assumption that they would be able to play this year so maybe they
should be able to play one more year. Mr. Grabiel pointed out that they can still play this
year. The issue is not whether or not they’ll be able to play baseball. The issue is how
does the ETBC interact and relate to the Park Board.
Floyd Grabiel MOVED THAT THE PARK BOARD ADOPT JOHN KEPRIOS
RECOMMENDATION THAT THE EDINA TRAVELING BASEBALL CLUB
PRIORITY BE ESTABLISHED AS A PRIORITY SEVEN AND THE FEES BE
CHARGED ACCORDINGLY.
Ardis Wexler SECONDED THE MOTION.
Mr. Johnson asked what does it mean to them to be a priority seven as opposed to a
priority two, are they going to be that far down on the chain in getting fields. Mr.
MacHolda indicated that even if the ETBC were a priority two he has already informed
Ms. Peterson that he needs to schedule the EBA first to which he hasn’t even begun to
start that process. The EBA still needs to complete their registration and form their
teams. However, if they fall to a priority seven, he doesn’t know that there are going to
be very many requests between a priority two and priority seven. Therefore, they would
still probably be secondary.
Mr. Klus asked how this would affect the practice times for the EBA teams. Where
would that fit in? Mr. MacHolda replied that for the early season practices he has a set
schedule. It’s typically around the second week of May through the end of summer
where coaches can call the Park office to schedule their own practices. Mr. Klus asked
where would the ETBC fit into the priority two versus the priority seven. Mr. MacHolda
replied that’s a great question and noted if they were a priority seven he would have to
make sure that the EBA has all of their requests in before it is opened up to a lower
priority. Mr. Klus stated that there would have to be a time frame otherwise it wouldn’t
be fair to other groups, they could end up waiting all summer for field time.
Mr. Finsness asked if something needed to be added to the motion stating that we even
recognize the team. Mr. Johnson commented that he doesn’t see anything they have done
that would not qualify them as a priority two. Mr. Klus indicated that Mr. Grabiel did
bring up the point that they need to be open to everyone and he feels they are not.
Ms. Wexler asked if the maker of the motion would accept an amendment to change it to
a priority two since there has been more discussion. Mr. Grabiel replied no, he wants to
discourage people from starting their own teams for whatever reason in opposition to the
established associations.
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Mr. Keprios indicated that he didn’t do a very good job in clearly stating that they will
only recognize one group for each individual sport whether it be the traveling league
component or house league component. Therefore, that part of the language will need to
be cleared up. Secondly, we currently do not state in our policy who pays what so that
also needs to be cleared up. Mr. Keprios noted that he will be coming forward with a
recommendation at a future Park Board meeting to make those adjustments.
Mr. Keprios suggested asking the ETBC if they were given an $8.00 a head opportunity
with good field time on a one-year basis would they dissolve this organization after one
season. Ms. Peterson replied that she would say that would be a strong possibility,
however, she cannot speak for the board members who are not here but feels it’s a strong
possibility and a fair compromise.
Ms. Presthus indicated that she doesn’t see how we cannot give the ETBC a priority two
based on the way it is currently written. She noted that she would like to see the motion
defeated and make a new motion giving the ETBC a priority two and grandfather it in
with the limitation of one year. Mr. Grabiel stated so every time a group splinters off
and decides they want to do something we’ll tell them they can do it for one year. Mr.
Finsness replied that Mr. Keprios is going to rewrite the language so this will not happen
again. Mr. Weiss commented that he thinks the ETBC has a fairly unique set of
circumstances.
MOTION CALLED. MOTION DEFEATED.
Linda Presthus MOVED THAT WE GRANT THE EDINA TRAVELING BASEBALL
CLUB A ONE-YEAR GRANDFATHER PRIORITY TWO STATUS UNDER THE
RULES WE HAVE NOW, ONLY ONE YEAR BECAUSE THEY CURRENTLY
MEET THE CRITERIA. THIS IS ONLY A ONE YEAR GRANT.
Mike Weiss SECONDED THE MOTION.
Mr. Keprios stated that if this motion passes it will be his intent to charge the ETBC
$8.00 a head and treat them as a priority two team.
Ms. Presthus asked if she could add that their priority two fall after the EBA to which it
was noted that the ETBC has no objection to that. Mr. Klus asked if that includes
practice times for all of the EBA age groups, and where does that fit in because that is
also a big concern. Mr. Weiss stated that they are not creating additional teams to which
Mr. Klus replied they are not creating additional teams but they are competing for
additional times to practice. Mr. Keprios indicated that they will still consider the EBA a
priority one status within the priority two category.
GRANT THE EDINA BASEBALL TRAVELING CLUB A ONE-YEAR
RECOGNITION UNDER PRIORITY TWO STATUS BECAUSE THEY MEET THE
CRITERIA OF THE CURRENT POLICY; HOWEVER, WITH THE
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UNDERSTANDING THAT OUR POLICY WILL REVISED THIS YEAR IN A
MANNER THAT WILL NOT QUALIFY EBTC AS PRIORITY TWO STATUS NEXT
YEAR.
Mr. Grabiel asked to offer an amendment to that motion. It doesn’t change the result of
the motion but he would like to take out from the language “THEY MEET THE
CRITERIA”. He noted that he doesn’t see any reason for them to concede that point, we
made them priority two.
Andy Finsness called the question.
In favor: Andy Finsness, Mike Damman, Karla Sitek, Ardis Wexler, George Klus, Jeff
Johnson, Linda Presthus, Allyson Grande, Mike Weiss
Opposed: Floyd Grabiel
MOTION CARRIED.
VI. NEW PARK BOARD MEMBER MIKE WEISS
Mr. Klus introduced new Park Board member Mike Weiss. He noted that Mr. Weiss has
a strong interest in youth sports and feels he will be a great addition to the Park Board.
Mr. Weiss informed that Park Board that he has served on the Edina Basketball Board
and the Edina Football Board for a number of years. He indicated that he has an 11 year-
old son and a 10 year-old daughter.
VII. 24TH ANNUAL VOLUNTEER AWARDS RECEPTION – NOMINATION
Mr. Keprios indicated that this is a wonderful way to recognize volunteers annually. He
indicated that there are two ways you can do this. First, you can do it on your own as a
Park Board and during the reception go up to the podium and present some recognition to
a volunteer of your choice. Secondly, you can make a nomination to a volunteer to
receive one of the Mayor’s commendation awards. He noted that the Park Board can do
one or both or choose to do nothing. It was noted that Mr. White has been a great leader
on the Park Board for a long time and did a wonderful job. Mr. Keprios indicated that he
would be happy to do all of the paper work. Mr. Klus stated that he would be glad to be
one of the representatives there to present it to Mr. White and would welcome everyone
to attend with him.
VIII. 2003 MEETING DATES & PLACES
Mr. Klus indicated that Mr. Keprios has proposed that all of the Park Board meetings in
2003 be held at City Hall. He noted that he does not like that recommendation and asked
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the Park Board for their input. Mr. Klus also suggested that each month he give Park
Board members an assignment to look at a certain park and report back at the meeting.
He noted that there are a lot of parks out there that most of us don’t know anything about.
After some discussion it was decided that the Park Board meetings would all be held at
City Hall. Ms. Wexler indicated that she does like that idea of possibly presenting two
five minute reports at each Park Board meeting that would bring the board members up to
date. Mr. Finsness commented that he also thinks that would work out well.
IX. SKATE PARK
Mr. Keprios handed out the final draft of the skate park agreement between the three
cities and the YMCA. He noted that if you look at Exhibit C, the Ground Lease
Agreement between the City of Edina and the YMCA, you have already endorsed this in
concept. However, he needs the Park Board’s final stamp of approval on the legal
document. He explained that this document defines exactly the funding sources and
commitments, as well as, donations that have been secured for the project. He noted that
it will be on the agenda at next week’s City Council meeting. Mr. Keprios commented
that the YMCA will have to pay for any difference that goes above and beyond the
budget.
Mr. Keprios noted that there is another exhibit on the very last page that details out the
cost and you will notice there is a $25,704 contingency which gives the YMCA a healthy
cushion, and this gets us the skate park that you’ve already seen in the design concept
stage and approved.
Floyd Grabiel MOVED TO RECOMMEND TO THE CITY COUNCIL THAT THEY
APPROVE THE FINAL DRAFT SKATE PARK AGREEMENT AND GROUND
LEASE AGREEMENT AS PROPOSED.
Karla Sitek SECONDED THE MOTION.
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
X. OTHER
A. Forestry Reports – Mr. Keprios handed out the year-end forestry report as well as a
report on the number of trees taken down and trimmed in the last year. He noted that the
Forestry Department has been a very busy, successful, and progressive department this
past year.
B. DNR Update – Mr. Keprios indicated that the Minnesota Department of Natural
Resources continues to use Highland Lake as a Walleye rearing pond, which has been
very successful for the DNR. Mr. Keprios has recently granted the DNR permission to
use the lake as a rearing pond for 2003.
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C. Highlands Park – Mr. Keprios informed the Park Board that they will be replacing
one of the wooden light poles at the hockey rink with a 75’ metal pole with an antenna on
top, which serves cellular phones. He explained that because of the way the federal law
is written we must provide a site where there is dead coverage, and if we don’t provide
them with a suitable location of our choice, then they will come in and put it wherever
they choose. Mr. Damman asked if the Park Department receives any money for this to
which it was noted yes in that the revenues go into the general fund, which supports parks
and recreation programs. Mr. Johnson asked if the pole could be put somewhere else that
is maybe a little more remote. Mr. Keprios replied that, under the circumstances, we feel
this is the best location for this area, which is better than allowing the cellular phone
company the opportunity to place it wherever they wish.
Mr. Klus asked what happens when a new park shelter is put in at Highlands Park and the
old one is torn down. Mr. Keprios replied he has checked into that and the cellular phone
company will have to pay for any of their expenses.
D. All Presidents Meeting – Mr. Keprios informed the Park Board that they are going to
have an all Presidents meeting on Thursday, March 27th, at 7:00 p.m. in the Council
Chambers. He noted that they have a very interesting agenda and he thinks they will also
discuss the formation of two associations. He indicated he will give them a heads up as
to where the Park Board is headed on the issue.
E. 7300 Bush Lake Road – Mr. Keprios informed the Park Board that some individuals
have asked the City Council to purchase and renovate the 7300 West Bush Lake Road
property. Their proposal asks the City to buy it and turn it into four gymnasiums and
indoor soccer facility. Mr. Keprios indicated that they have hired a consultant to study it
and he will give his report at next week’s City Council meeting. Ms. Presthus asked who
is presenting this proposal. Mr. Keprios replied that the proposal was been made by the
Edina Basketball Association and Edina Soccer Club. He noted that the City Council has
directed staff to study it and report back with what is it going to cost to buy it, renovate it
and operate it.
XI. ELECTION OF VICE-CHAIR
Mr. Klus asked for nominations for Vice Chair of the Park Board.
Floyd Grabiel NOMINATED ANDY FINSNESS.
Mike Damman SECONDED.
Linda Presthus NOMINATED ARDIS WEXLER
Jeff Johnson SECONDED.
Mr. Klus asked each candidate to give a speech indicating why they would like to be
Vice Chair.
Linda Sitek MOVED TO CLOSE NOMINATIONS.
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Floyd Grabiel SECONDED THE MOTION.
Ms. Wexler indicated that she has been on the Park Board a couple of years and has been
a long time resident of Edina and very active in the community. She noted that she has
been an active member of and at times president of the PTA/PTSO at the elementary
school, middle school and high school where her kids have attended. She indicated that
she has served on the Community Education Board and has also been an election judge
for over 25 years.
Mr. Finsness indicated that he has been an Edina resident for 12 years. He noted that he
has a son who just graduated from high school, a daughter who is in special education in
the 10th grade and a fourth grade daughter who attends the Normandale French
Immersion School. He stated that he has been on the Park Board for five years and feels
he has a good handle on what the issues are as well as some of the history behind them
and feels he can offer some continuity and would love to serve as Vice Chair.
Mr. Grabiel commented that both are quality candidates.
Andy Finsness received the majority vote in a written ballot process.
XII. ADJOURNMENT
Linda Presthus MOVED TO ADJOURN THE MEETING AT 9:25 P.M. Jeff Johnson
SECONDED THE MOTION. MEETING ADJOURNED.