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HomeMy WebLinkAbout1996-10-08 Park Board MinutesEDINA PARK BOARD 7:30 p.m. October 8, 1996 MEMBERS PRESENT: Andy Herring, Jim Fee, Bill Jenkins, Andrew Montgomery, Beth Hall, Becky Bennett, Dave Crowther. MEMBERS ABSENT: Mike Burley, John Dovolis, Jean Rydell, Idith Almog. STAFF PRESENT: John Keprios, Janet Canton. OTHERS PRESENT: Sandy Simmons, Cal Simmons, Betty Berg, Kevin Pfeifer, Peggy Jennings, Jane Jacobs, Bill Jacobs, Patti Carlson, Keith Peterson, Michael Hall, Anne Hall, Curt Olson, Pete Anderson, Pam O'Halloran, Mary Kluesner, John Fox, Jan Buth, Tom Mahler, Barb Mahler, Tara Bussjager, Al Kluesner, Patti Dillon. I. EDINA BASKETBALL ASSOCIATION PROPOSAL Mr. Keprios explained that putting in a basketball court at Wooddale Park was not part of the bond issue master plan. However, it does not mean that it is a good or bad idea. Mr. Keprios pointed out that the issue came before the Park Board because the Edina Basketball Association felt very strongly they would like to see another outdoor basketball court in the city and felt that Wooddale Park would be a good location. He explained that when Wooddale School was taken down and taken over by the City in the mid 1980's a neighborhood committee was put together to design the park. The committee came up with a variety of park amenities, one of which included a basketball court. However, because there were limited resources, a basketball court was not built at that time. Mr. Keprios indicated that the Edina Basketball Association has offered to pay for the construction of a basketball court at Wooddale Park. To inform the neighborhood of this proposal and receive input from those residents, notices including a survey were mailed to 403 residents of which 50% were returned. There were 110 who responded in favor of the idea and 88 who voted against the idea, which is 55% to 45%. Mr. Keprios noted that there were a lot of good comments sent in both pro and con which have been passed along to each Park Board member. Mr. Keprios informed the audience that there are eight outdoor basketball sites throughout the city: Normandale Park, Strachauer Park, Chowen Park, Todd Park, Weber Park, Alden Park, Heights Park and Countryside Park. He noted that Heights Park has a half -court. Russ Fortner, Secretary Edina Basketball Board, indicated that there have been a lot of players who have come from the Country Club area. Mr. Fortner explained that during the last three or four years the Basketball Association has been able to donate money to help their community where there were public funds missing. He noted that they helped out the Community Center to redo their court and bleachers. Also, they helped the fieldhouse at the High School with their floors, lighting and backboards. The Basketball Association has also contributed money to the various elementary schools. Mr. Fortner noted that the Basketball Association has had a capital improvement plan to help the community when public funds are not available. Wooddale Park has been part of the EBA's capital plan desire for many, many years. He stated that they were talking about it before the referendum and were put on hold to wait and see what would come through with that. Mr. Fortner indicated that the Basketball Board would like to donate money for a basketball court to be put in at Wooddale Park. The Board, however, is in no way trying to take any kind of a strong position other than they would love to have as many basketball courts outside as they can for the kids. He stated that since the original plan, the Basketball Association has talked about putting in a basketball court at Wooddale Park. Mr. Fortner indicated that when he used to live in the Country Club neighborhood after his kids got through the toddler stage they ended up having to go over to OLG as well as other places to play basketball. Mr. Fortner explained that this is the first time he has seen the actual plan of where the basketball court might be placed. He noted that they certainly do not want anyone to get hurt and they don't want any bad language. He indicated that what the Basketball Association would like is to have a basketball court somewhere in the Wooddale area because there is no place close for those kids to go and play basketball outside. He noted that the basketball court doesn't necessarily have to be put where the plan currently shows it. Mr. Montgomery asked Mr. Fortner if the Basketball Board would consider another location or have they zeroed in on Wooddale Park. Mr. Fortner answered that they have always talked about Wooddale Park and therefore they would like it to be in that area. Mr. Fee asked if Arden Park was considered and Mr. Fortner replied that it's beyond what they would like see, however, he would have to go back to the board because he cannot speak for the whole board. Mr. Fortner stated that he thought Utley Park would possibly be a good spot to put in a basketball court. Ms. Bennett asked if there is room at Utley Park to put in basketball court and also keep the tennis courts. Mr. Keprios responded it is certainly a possibility, however, some mature trees would probably have to be removed. Mary Kluesner, resident, indicated that she has had a long, very good experience with the Park Board and in every decision they have made has enhanced the family life, improved the quality of the neighborhood and has respected the property owner. She pointed out there have been many, many decisions made on Wooddale Park in the past 20 years. She complimented the Park Board on keeping in mind what the tiny green space in the highest density area of Edina means to the neighborhood. She noted that some people say they want a quiet park, however, Wooddale Park is not a quiet park because there is what she calls the "Sounds of Wooddale". These are the sounds of the children on swings, dads teaching their kids to play soccer, baseball, t-ball, football, as well as, kids learning to ride bikes and fly kites. She stated that Wooddale Park has evolved in a way that has enhanced the quality of life for everyone from three angles; family, neighborhood and property owners. Tom Mahler, resident, indicated that his backyard fronts onto Wooddale and they are very close to where they are looking at putting in a basketball court. He stated that what has impressed him with Wooddale Park is it's a park where parents, grandparents and kids can walk to and have a good time playing. He stated that with a basketball court what is not going to happen is having a bunch of 8 to 10 year-olds but rather it will be young adults driving to the park. Therefore, there will be an increase in the traffic and parking burden in an area that already has too much traffic and not enough parking spaces. He noted they are very opposed to the placement of a basketball court as proposed by the board and he would ask that the Edina Basketball Association consider their wishes and find another location for their planned facility. Curt Olson, resident, indicated that over the years he also has taken his two boys to Wooddale Park and it's a great facility. However, his oldest boy is outgrowing the facility which is walking and biking distance for him. He noted that his son is a basketball player and there is nowhere close for him to play basketball with his 11 year-old buddies. Mr. Olson stated that he sees a basketball court at Wooddale as only a positive for the neighborhood. He pointed out that he also is on the Basketball Board and has been very involved in coaching kids, however, there are a number of kids in his son's age group that do not have a place to play because there isn't a court nearby. Mr. Olson stated that Arden Park would be acceptable to him, however, he doesn't know if it would be anymore acceptable to those neighbors. Mr. Olson indicated that he is all in favor of the idea and he thinks basketball has been a real positive experience for his sons and their friends and he would like to be able to see it extended further. Mr. Olson also commented that in the last five years the basketball program has gone from 300 kids participating to over 900 kids participating. There is a huge demand from the kids in Edina for places to play basketball and the inside courts are constantly locked up. Tara Bussjager, resident, indicated that she has two children who started out as little toddlers when Wooddale School was brought down. She noted that her son has been involved in the Park and Recreation basketball as well as high school basketball. Ms. Bussjager pointed out the fact is that for northeast Edina there is no where for the children to play basketball. She also commented that there are four parks, Kojetin Park, Wooddale Park, Utley Park and Arden Park in a one mile straight line and not one of them has a facility for older children to play at. She noted that she pays taxes and she just helped vote for the bond referendum to install a third sheet of ice over at Braemar arena and her children do not even skate. However, it's for the entire community and these parks should be available for her husband to play basketball with her son and daughter. She pointed out that she doesn't think the court should be lit because it should be a quiet place in the evening. However, it's ridiculous and naive to think that "undesirable's" from south Minneapolis would be attracted to a place where there are grandparents, parents, and small children. Ms. Bussjager noted that she would be happy to see a basketball court put in at Utley Park. She again stated that there needs to be someplace for the kids in northeast Edina to play basketball. Pam O'Halloran, resident, indicated that she has a concern with safety at the park. She noted that she is the mother of a toddler as well as the mother of a child who is in the basketball program. She stated that they are very much opposed for a lot of the reasons that have already been mentioned, however, safety is the biggest one. On the map it shows how close the basketball court is to the tot lot and with no fences, and because of aesthetics would not want fences, the balls are going to fly and someone is going to get hurt. She pointed out that undesirables is not a concern of hers because the teenagers that will be there will be the teenagers of the neighborhood. However, teenagers can get carried away and can be rough at times and those balls will fly. She pointed out that the park has become a younger youth oriented park and it is one of the biggest tot lots in the City and attracts people from all over the city. Ms. O'Halloran explained that the open green space is also used a lot and putting in a basketball court would change the nature of the park tremendously and a lot of the neighbors are very concerned about that. Jane Jacobs, resident, indicated that she has lived on Browndale since 1959 and has seen a lot of changes which have all been good. She noted that she also worked for Wooddale School and has worked with the Park Board in the past. She stated that the Park Board has done a wonderful job of making the area compatible with the neighborhood. However, one of the main things that has happened through the years is every activity that has gone on in that area has been a supervised situation. Therefore, it seems like it's not compatible with the intent of that park to have a group that would be older and would be unsupervised. Possibly another area that is not in conjunction with a young children's area would be more appropriate and more compatible. Anne Hall, resident, indicated that she understands the area to be a tot lot and noted that there are newborns up to about age 5 in the park in the summer all day until 8:00 or 9:00 p.m. Ms. Hall stated that her concern is the proximity of the closeness of the proposed regulation full size basketball court, which in her mind would encourage a game for teenagers as well as males ages 25 to 40. She noted that she is very concerned with balls going beyond the hoop into the sand area. Ms. Hall pointed out that it is very contradictory in many ways to have a tot lot with a basketball court right next to it. Ms. Hall strongly supports and sympathizes that there is a need for more basketball outdoor basketball courts, however, it should not be at Wooddale Park. Al Kluesner, resident, indicated that he doesn't know why the rejection of Utley Park is so strong. He noted that it seems to him that a basketball court would fit very nicely and doesn't think it has been thought through enough because it really would treat both sides of the street quite well. He stated that he really urges the board to reconsider this idea because there has to be a way to make it fit. Keith Peterson, resident, indicated that he has a 10 year-old daughter and a 5 year-old son and commented that they are at Wooddale Park at least 5 days of every week. He noted that he is in favor of preserving the space that is there. His family uses the space for flying kites, playing tag and soccer, etc. He stated that there is a real need for that kind of open space for all ages. Mr. Peterson pointed out that he would hate to see that space paved over by a special interest group to introduce a game that serves really the older adolescents and adult age group which is not suitable or consistent with the current use of the park. Mr. Peterson noted that he feels Utley Park would be more suitable for several reasons. Patti Carlson, resident, indicated that she opposes putting in a basketball court for all the mentioned reasons. She noted that she has a 14 year-old boy and she worries about their safety. It is such a busy area and with balls flying all around it's a real danger. She pointed out that she thinks it's wonderful that funds want to be appropriated for basketball, however, Wooddale Park is not the right spot. Cal Simmons, resident, indicated that this is the first he has heard about how dangerous their area is and stated that he doesn't believe the area is dangerous. Mr. Simmons pointed out that if the Park Board would agree to put a basketball court in at Utley Park he would agree to that. However, if the Park Board feels that at Utley Park we can't cut down a tree to put in a basketball court than he is strongly in favor of a basketball court at Wooddale Park. Mr. Simmons commented that he doesn't think the configuration of the basketball court is correct on the drawing that has been presented. He noted that if it runs the other way there is plenty of green space adjacent to the tot park and a couple of trees could be planted as a barrier between the tot park and the basketball court. He stated that it is still an enormous green area. Mr. Simmons explained that there is a large number of kids in the Country Club area and is amazed at the turnover. He indicated that he has a 7th grader and a 10th grader and there is no place for them to play basketball. Mr. Simmons also remarked that he has more confidence in the young adolescents in the community than to think they are going to be hooligans beating up on 2 year- old kids with their parents watching. Mr. Simmons indicated that he believes the youth in the area are certainly well respected and the park would be used by kids that are in the 6th through 10th grade. He noted that this is an excellent activity and an excellent place to play because northeast Edina has been abandoned by basketball. Jan Buth, resident, indicated that her comments are on two different levels. First of all, she has heard a lot about the ages of the people that would play basketball there and noted that the staff probably would best know the answer to that. Secondly, she commented that she recently extended her driveway so they could put up a basketball hoop for her kids and the neighbors to play basketball. She noted that there are always kids playing basketball at her house because there is no place else for them to go. Ms. Buth indicated that she also worries about the teenagers in the community because we don't provide enough activities for them to do. Ms. Buth also commented that she didn't realize there were tot lots because she thought the city parks were supposed to be for everyone. Patty Dillon, resident, indicated that her children use Wooddale Park regularly. She stated that her observation was that most people she knows who live in the area did not receive a notice of the meeting. She also commented that tonight is basketball tryouts which has kept a lot of people from attending the meeting who may have been interested in having their opinions heard. Bill Jacobs, resident, indicated that the response was 55% for and 45% against. He pointed out that the further you go away from Wooddale Park you will get votes of people who want it. However, the people who live close to the park and would have to put up with it, don't want it. John Fox, resident, indicated that he doesn't live in the Country Club area, however he received a card and sent it in saying he thought it would be a good idea and if that didn't work he heard Arden Park would be a good place. Mr. Fox then stated that Arden Park would not be a good choice either because the neighbors there do not want one either. Mr. Fox pointed out that it doesn't matter where you put a basketball court the immediate people in the neighborhood are going to say they don't want it. Mr. Fox commented that he's not a proponent of Wooddale Park, he's a proponent of having a basketball court in the northeast section of the City. A resident asked if there have been any complaints from neighbors at the existing basketball courts in the community. Mr. Keprios answered that Chowen Park, which is only .93 acres, is the smallest park with an outdoor basketball court and it happens to be located right next to a tot lot. He noted that the only complaint he has ever heard from Chowen Park is occasionally people will tell him they leave garbage there. Mr. Keprios explained that to respond to Mr. Simmons comment about the orientation of the basketball court, it is in the correct orientation. In this hemisphere, all hard surface areas, including tennis courts, need to be placed in a north/south orientation for the sake of the location of the sun. Mr. Keprios noted that he would also like to respond to the comment that staff didn't do a very good job sending out notices. He explained that it is a judgment call and felt that 403 households would be a good representation of the neighborhood for the Park Board make a decision. He also pointed out that they did make sure the people in the most immediate area did receive a notice. Keith Peterson, resident, commented that he wanted to bring up the issue that the Soccer Association has been taking space to put in additional fields and as he can see by the original plan there was room for a soccer field and one was never put in. He noted that the comment has been that soccer can be played on the baseball field. He stated that is not possible because most nights there are games going on at the baseball field, therefore, there really is no place to play soccer. Mr. Peterson stated that his point is there are more children under the age of 10 in Edina playing soccer than any other sport and if we are talking about special interests as a legitimate claim on space maybe that is one that should be heard from. Barb Mahler, resident, asked is there a reason why a basketball court could not put at Utley Park. Mr. Montgomery replied that the issue has not really been addressed because the Basketball Association's proposal was to build a basketball court at Wooddale Park. Mr. Fortner thanked everyone for attending the meeting and noted that the Basketball Association is responding to a perceived desire in the community to have an outdoor court in the Country Club area. They certainly didn't know the commotion it would cause, that was not their intent. Mr. Fee stated that like a lot of these issues, there are a lot of people who are against this and he happens to be one who does not feel this would be conducive to Wooddale Park. Mr. Fee indicated that he would like to thank the Basketball Association very much for their contribution and willingness to help. Mr. Fee indicated that his suggestion would be to send it back to staff to look at Utley Park as a possible site. Ms. Bennett indicated that she feels there is a real need in the community for 13, 14, and 15 year- old kids to have places to go that are unstructured recreation activities. There is a need for more basketball courts, however, she noted she does have some concerns mixing that in with the younger children. She indicated she is really concerned that we don't have enough activities or places for kids to go who don't drive. She feels there is a need for things like a basketball court, however, she does have some concerns with it being mixed in with younger children. Therefore, she would like to see staff investigate Utley Park and see where that avenue leads before any further decisions are made. Bill Jenkins noted that he concurs with Mr. Fee and also has reservations on putting in a basketball court at Wooddale Park. He indicated that he would also like to see it put in at Utley Park. Mr. Crowther noted the he concurs with the other Park Board members in that he would have a hard time voting to accept the offer at Wooddale Park. Mr. Crowther stated that it seems Utley Park would be the logical option if the Edina Basketball Association is willing to do that. Jim Fee MOVED TO RECOMMEND THAT THE ISSUE BE REFERRED BACK TO STAFF TO LOOK AT ONE OF THREE POTENTIAL OPTIONS FOR A BASKETBALL COURT OTHER THAN WOODDALE PARK AND THOSE BEING: UTLEY PARK, KOJETIN PARK, AND ARDEN PARK. Bill Jenkins SECONDED THE MOTION. Mr. Fee then indicated that if staff wants to come back with a fourth or fifth option that would be okay too. Mr. Montgomery noted that he would like to leave Wooddale Park as an alternative site and not eliminate it yet, especially since five Park Board members are not present. He noted he would like to amend the motion to look for alternative sites. Mr. Fee stated the he heard enough negative from a lot of people and if it is 50% to 50% we don't force it in and he would like to leave the motion as it stands. Mr. Montgomery MOVED TO AMEND THE MOTION TO READ THAT WE CONTINUE TO CONSIDER WOODDALE PARK AS WE LOOK FOR AN ALTERNATIVE SITE AT THIS STAGE. Motion failed for lack of a SECOND. ORIGINAL MOTION CARRIED 6 TO 1. 5 - FOR - ANDY HERRING, JIM FEE, BILL JENKINS, BETH HALL, BECKY BENNETT, DAVE CROWTHER. 1 - OPPOSED - ANDREW MONTGOMERY. It was noted that the issue will then go back to the Edina Basketball Association for their approval to see if they would like to consider what is decided upon. H. NAMING/RENAMING PARKS AND FACILITIES After a brief discussion of naming/renaming parks and facilities a motion was made. Jim Fee MOVED TO RECOMMEND TO THE CITY COUNCIL THAT THE NORMANDALE PAR 3 GOLF COURSE BE RENAMED TO FREDERICK S. RICHARDS GOLF COURSE. Dave Crowther SECONDED THE MOTION. MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. III. APPROVAL OF THE SEPTEMBER 10, 1996 PARK BOARD MEETING Beth Hall MOVED TO APPROVE THE SEPTEMBER 10, 1996 PARK BOARD MINUTES. Jim Fee SECONDED THE MOTION. MINUTES APPROVED. IV. ARNESON ACRES PARK WATER GARDENS PLAN Mr. Keprios explained that different ideas have been looked at over the years regarding the pond area at Arneson Acres. He indicated that a committee has been formed called the Arneson Acres Park Development Committee consisting of residents that surround and live around Arneson Acres Park as well as some Garden Council members, Tim Zimmerman and himself. Mr. Keprios explained that three ideas were presented in which Plan C was finally decided upon. Mr. Keprios stated that the City Council has already appropriated the funds to go ahead with the project. He explained that he is bringing this before the Park Board so everyone is aware of what is going on in case anyone asks what we are doing at Arneson Acres. Mr. Keprios also pointed out to the Park Board that if anyone sees any red flags as the plans are shown now is the time to say something because they are going to start digging holes tomorrow. Mr. Keprios indicated that he thinks it's an absolutely fabulous plan and is well within the budget. Mr. Fee asked where the funds are coming from and Mr. Keprios replied that almost all of the funds for this project are coming from the referendum. A portion of the project is being funded by the Developers Fund. Mr. Keprios explained that the master plan of Arneson Acres Park will really never be complete because it's a park that will constantly evolve. He noted that the Garden Council will always be on a charge to raise money to do the next project at Arneson Acres. He pointed out that right now it happens to be the center fountain. The Garden Council has already donated the gazebo which is a beautiful addition to the park. Mr. Herring asked how much will it cost and how much is in the budget from the bond referendum. Mr. Keprios replied that Arneson Acres Park has $175,000 from the bond issue and 9 another $79,000 from five years ago when money from the Developer's Fund was set aside for this project. Therefore, the total budget for the park is $254,000. Mr. Herring asked how much is being spent and Mr. Keprios indicated that if they did everything it would cost $236,000. Michele Ravez, architect for the project, explained to the Park Board on a map how the area is projected to look. Mr. Ravez explained that after the project is complete, it should look very natural as though it has been there for years. Mr. Montgomery asked when the project is estimated to be completed in which Mr. Keprios responded that 80% of the project is anticipated to be completed before the snow falls. The balance of the project would be completed in early spring. V. LEWIS PARK PLANS Mr. Keprios indicated that he has been directed to canvas the Lewis Park neighborhood. Mr. Crowther indicated that he feels we need to be consistent in what we do and therefore the neighborhood should be canvassed. Mr. Jenkins asked Mr. Keprios how the radius of the park is picked to send out notifications. Mr. Keprios indicated that he goes to the Assessing Department and asks them to provide him with 200 to 400 households, whatever works best for the computer which then gives a good representation of the radius of the park. Jim Fee MOVED TO CANVAS THE LEWIS PARK NEIGHBORS IN A SIMILAR FASHION WHICH WAS RECENTLY DONE AT WOODDALE PARK REGARDING THE BASKETBALL COURT, COMFORT STATION AND BACKSTOP. Andy Herring SECONDED THE MOTION. MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. VI. PARK REFERENDUM PROJECTS UPDATE Mr. Keprios reported on the progress that has been made in the last three weeks. He noted they are still working on the same parks. Mr. Keprios also noted that the new engineer, Wayne Houle, has been a tremendous help in really getting things pushed along. Mr. Herring indicated he would like a follow-up regarding the aquatic center meeting that was held with Mr. Rosland, Mr. Montgomery, Mr. Dovolis, Mr. Keprios and Mr. MacHolda. Mr. Montgomery stated that the only real opposition Mr. Rosland had was putting in a road out of the main parking lot circling around in front and exiting back out. Mr. Herring noted that he felt the opposition was the expansion and pipe work to be put in so as not to cut off any future expansion when the dollars come in. Mr. Herring also stated that they were talking about taking money out of the Developer's Fund. Mr. Keprios explained that there is a big concern that we are going to be over budget even with the scaled back bathhouse. He indicated that to do just what is currently on the table may very 10 well be $100,000 to $300,000 over just on that project alone. Mr. Keprios pointed out that the basics need to get done first and not to cut ourselves out of any future expansion. Mr. Keprios indicated that once the bids are open Mr. Rosland would like to recommend to the City Council that we take an additional $100,000 out of the bond issue proceeds as well as borrow $200,000 from the Developer's Fund. Mr. Keprios noted that the revenues from the pool will pay back the Developer's Fund. Mr. Keprios indicated that if the Park Board wants to make a recommendation to go forward with an additional $75,000 on top of the existing plan they can do that. However, that is not what is currently being bid on next week. Mr. Crowther asked how can that be done if we are that far over budget already. Mr. Herring stated that he is frustrated by this because first of all we do not know that we are over budget and secondly are we prioritizing all of the other things we want. Mr. Herring noted that the design was awesome and feels very strongly we should be doing the full design, we need to look at where else we have money and figure out how to do it. Mr. Herring stated that this is one of the city's best assets in the summer and if we are going to have additional competition from St. Louis Park is all the more reason to do it. Mr. Herring asked if this should have been acted on at the last meeting and Mr. Keprios replied that even by that time it was too late. However, it isn't to say that we still can't do it, it is just going to take some extra hoops and you can still make that recommendation. Mr. Keprios pointed out that the Developer's Fund is going to have to be a nest egg for awhile because after the 8 million is gone it will be tough to get more capital dollars appropriated by the City Council. Mr. Herring indicated to Mr. Keprios that he challenges him to look at where we can save money in order to fund the aquatic center. One of the roles we serve is to prioritize how we spend the money and to him this is a priority. Mr. Crowther stated that he doesn't disagree, however, how do we recommend to do the full board deal and then if it comes in $300,000 over budget and we can't find the money. How can we do this without knowing what the status of the bids are. Mr. Crowther stated how can we make a fiscally prudent recommendation on something like this where the variable is $375,000. Mr. Herring asked if we should wait until the next Park Board meeting to see what the number is. Mr. Crowther stated that might be good. He indicated that as long as we know that won't lock us out, we should wait and see where we stand and see if it's a reasonable number. Mr. Herring requested that Mr. Keprios come back to the Park Board with a report on the bid and a report on where we are at with all of the funding for the capital improvements and with some feeling on how much we may have to borrow from the Developer's Fund. At that time he would like to discuss whether it's appropriate for the Park Board to make a recommendation for the pool. VII. OTHER A. Putt Putt Course - Mr. Herring indicated that the putt -putt course is unbelievable and asked if 11 the Park Department is going to have to pay for the maintenance of that every year or is someone else paying for it. Mr. Keprios indicated that it is essentially paid for out of the Edinborough Enterprise Facility Fund, not the Park and Recreation fund. Mr. Herring asked if the fund doesn't have enough money then will it fall to the Park and Recreation fund. Mr. Keprios responded that the Edinborough Trust Fund is a healthy fund of about 7 million dollars. Mr. Keprios explained that the City owns the money, it's a trust fund that earns interest that is part of the revenue that funds Edinborough and Centennial Lakes operations. The parks are in a special tax increment district which continue to add to the trust fund. Mr. Crowther asked Mr. Herring why he is concerned. Mr. Herring asked Mr. Crowther if he ever heard about the putt -putt course in which Mr. Crowther replied yes he did. Mr. Herring noted that it wasn't at the Park Board meeting that he heard about it. Mr. Keprios then briefly explained the whole master plan for Centennial Lakes and noted that it was voted on years ago before the current Park Board. Mr. Herring commented that we have very little money and we have a lot of other priorities other than a putt -putt golf course. Mr. Crowther asked what are they going to charge and Mr. Keprios noted that it will be up to the Park Board but they are thinking about charging $10.00. The fees and charges proposals will be brought to the Park Board for the November meeting. B. Parks - Mr. Crowther indicated that after listening to the comments tonight he noted that he is confused about what the parks are supposed to be doing or how they are supposed to be serving the constituency. He indicated that he knows there are books with that information, however, he would like to revisit that just to refresh everyone's memory before the Park Board keeps making decisions. He noted that it seems to him that the parks aren't necessarily there just for athletic facilities, they serve a much broader spectrum. However, special interest groups are always looking for athletic facilities and are always talking about how do we keep the kids off the street. He noted that he is very concerned about this because he feels we lose sight of a bigger picture. He asked Mr. Keprios to refresh the Park Board on that issue. Mr. Keprios indicated that in the next Park Board packet he will have copies from the Jupiter Report indicating what the function of each of the different types of parks are. Mr. Crowther also noted that when the issues arise at the different parks he would also like to have a reminder. C. Park Referendum - Pete Anderson, resident, suggested to the Park Board that an article be written for the Sun newspaper detailing what has been done so far with the money from the referendum. He indicated that would generate some enthusiasm for the parks. Vl1. ADJOURNMENT Dave Crowther MOVED TO ADJOURN THE MEETING AT 9:30 P.M. Bill Jenkins SECONDED THE MOTION. MEETING ADJOURNED.