HomeMy WebLinkAbout1986-08-12 Park Board MinutesEdina Park Board
August 12, 1986
7:30 p.m.
Edina City Hall
Members Present: Don Wineberg, Joan Lonsbury, George Warner, Mack Thayer,
Andy Montgomery, Marilyn Wooldridge, Jim Fee, Jean Rydell
Members Absent: Bill Lord
Staff Present: Bob Kojetin, John Keprios, Ed MacHolda, Larry Thayer, John
Valliere, Bill Bach, Madelyn Krinke
Others Present: Dick Gaughran, Boyd Lester, Donna Hipps
Meeting was called to order by Joan Lonsbury.
I. APPROVAL OF MINUTES OF JULY 8, 1986 MEETING
Mack Thayer moved to approve the minutes of the July 8, 1986 meeting. Andy
Montgomery seconded the motion. Motion carried.
II. WRESTLING ASSOCIATION
John Keprios introduced Dick Gaughran, the Edina High School wrestling
coach and Boyd Lester to the Park Board. Mr. Lester explained that he
represents a group of parents who organized as a club to support youth
wrestling. He stated that the group of parents had met because they felt a
need to provide opportunities for elementary age youth in wrestling because
there has not been an organized program in Edina previously. Mr. Lester
stated that the club requests the Park Board's recognition of their group
as an athletic association under the Park and Recreation Department. It
was further explained by Mr. Lester that the Wrestling Club had done a lot
of preliminary work, after conferring with John Keprios, and much of the
ground work has been laid for a Wrestling Association. The wrestling
program has been run for the past few years by Dick Gaughran and a few
parents who organized a wrestling club, but it has not been formally
organized as an association under the Edina Park and Recreation
Department. They expect about 100 to enroll in the wrestling program for
the first year; arrangements have been made with the High School for use of
gymnasium and wrestling mats, which will enable the program to begin with
very minimal costs; schedules have been tentatively set; coaches have been
secured; support has been given by Dick Gaughran and the Edina High School.
Don Wineberg MADE A MOTION RECOMMENDING TO THE COUNCIL THAT CITY OF EDINA
ACCEPT THE EDINA WRESTLING CLUB AS AN ATHLETIC ASSOCIATION UNDER THE
AUSPICES OF THE EDINA PARK AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT AND ASSIST WITH
INCORPORATION OF THE EDINA WRESTLING ASSOCIATION. Marilyn Wooldridge
SECONDED THE MOTION. Discussion of motion: John Keprios stated that he
would assist the group with the formalities of incorporating. Bob Kojetin
endorsed the proposal of starting the Wrestling Association and said the
main effect on the Park and Recreation office would be the additional
clerical work in the park office and Bob feels we should proceed with
accepting the club as one of our athletic associations. John Keprios will
work with the Board as liaison person. Further discussion included the
following comments:
-other communities have large numbers involved in their programs and that
there is a growing interest in wrestling in many neighboring communities,
as well as state-wide;
-there is a large percentage of youth who do not wish to be involved in
other sport activities currently offered who may want to participate in
this new program. MOTION CARRIED.
III. GOOSE POPULATION
Bob Kojetin reported the goose population in Edina has become a problem.
Bob Kojetin, John Valliere, and Gordon Hughes met with Ron Way, a concerned
citizen and James A. Cooper, Associate Professor at the University of
Minnesota to discuss the problem of large numbers of geese in Edina at
Braemar Park, Point of France, Interlachen area, and Edina Country Club.
Mr. Cooper has been involved in goose control programs in several metro
areas including Brookview Golf Course in Golden Valley, and a big study of
the controlling of geese at the Metropolitan Airport. After conferring
with Mr. Cooper and after receiving his proposal, Mr. Kojetin indicated he
would like to recommend to the Edina Country Club and the Interlachen
Country Club to join forces with the City of Edina and enter into a four
year program as described by Mr. Cooper in his letter. The program would
cost approximately $3,500 per organization. In the conversation with Mr.
Cooper, it was learned that the most successful method of resolving the
geese problem has been to relocate the young geese in Oklahoma. There
would have to be hearings which the University of MN would conduct. There
would probably be criticism from the public, but Bob Kojetin feels it is
time to start controlling the population of geese now before the problem
becomes worse. John Valliere commented that the geese have created a great
problem at the golf course. Don Wineberg MADE A MOTION THAT THE PARK BOARD
RECOMMENDS GETTING INVOLVED IN THE UNIVERSITY OF MINNESOTA PROGRAM OF
RELOCATION OF GEESE AS OUTLINED IN THEIR PROPOSAL LETTER. Jim Fee SECONDED
THE MOTION.
IV. PARK POLICE PATROL
Bob Kojetin stated that he has met with Craig Swanson, Police Chief, and
discussed park police patrol in the City of Edina. A small three wheel
vehicle may be used to patrol such areas as the Golf Course, Bredesen, and
various other parks. The program would be administered by the Police
Department, but direction would be given by the Park Director. In the past
few months there have been three incidents of major vandalism in the
parks: Bredesen Park bathrooms were destroyed; Creek Valley - the
electrical and control building was burned down; at Arneson Acres a riding
lawn mower was stolen. Craig Swanson had recommended in his budget to be
presented to the Council of a start of park patrol using CSO officers for
approximately $23,000 for 1987. Comments were made by the Park Board
supporting this program and recommending that the city proceed with the
plan. Marilyn Wooldridge MADE A MOTION THAT THE PARK BOARD SUPPORTS THE
IDEA OF PARK POLICE AND RECOMMENDS PROCEEDING WITH IT. Andy Montgomery
SECONDED THE MOTION. MOTION CARRIED.
V. BUDGET
A. ARENA FEES
Larry Thayer presented the proposed fees for ice rentals, raising the fees
from $67.50 per hour to $75.00 per hour for Edina Hockey Association and
Figure Skating Club hours and raising non -prime hours from $70 to $80 and
increasing late night hour rate from $50 to $60 (copy attached). Larry
stated that there has been confusion with the past system of requiring all
Edina Hockey Association hockey players to have a season ticket and billing
the hockey association for ice, then giving back credits for season ticket
holders. Larry Thayer said it may be better to go back to not requiring
season tickets for hockey registrants and just charging the hockey
association for all ice used. In the past a formula has been used whereby
approximately $13,000 worth of ice time was credited back to the Hockey
Association which was based on the number of participants in the hockey
program. This formula through the years has been changed since the
requirement for the rental fees for ice has risen in the past years. Larry
stated that many families will still want to buy arena tickets and the
revenue should remain approximately the same if the new method is adopted.
John Keprios stated that he had proposed this change to the Edina Hockey
Association and they voted to accept the change of not requiring hockey
registrants to have an arena ticket and will pay for the additional ice
time. The Hockey Association will have to charge more for registration to
compensate for the additional ice fees. The registration .fees will be
raised to cover the ice costs which will now be billed to the hockey
association. Jim Fee MADE A MOTION RECOMMENDING TO THE COUNCIL TO ACCEPT
THE FEES AS PROPOSED BY LARRY THAYER AS WELL AS THE RECOMMENDATION TO NOT
REQUIRE EDINA HOCKEY ASSOCIATION PLAYERS TO PURCHASE AN ARENA TICKET. Don
Wineberg SECONDED THE MOTION. MOTION CARRIED.
B. GOLF COURSE
John Valliere stated that he was not recommending a large increase in any
one area as Braemar continues to be in the high range in comparison with
other local public courses. He reported there are 1700 patron card holders
this year. Mr. Valliere indicated that he would like to have the policy
changed regarding additional rounds of play after nine holes. The present
policy is to charge the full price for an additional 9 holes of play (which
brings a lot of complaints because of the extra cost to complete 18
holes). There have also been problems by allowing the additional 9 holes
of play because it creates a scheduling conflict for 18 holes and also
people can easily play through 18 holes without paying for the second 9
holes. John Valliere recommended that we charge only $4.00 for an
additional 9 hole round on the 18 hole course and $3.50 for a reround on
the new executive course. Discussion followed and the Park Board
recommended not to accept John Valliere's recommendation. The Park Board
recommended no 9 hole rounds be allowed between the hours of 7 a.m. and 3
p.m. except for leagues, anyone wanting to play between those hours must
play the full 18 holes. The Park Board recommended that after 3:00 anyone
playing an additional 9 holes should pay the full 9 hole fee.
Mr. Valliere presented his fee schedule with recommended increases for 1987
(copy attached), with recommendations for increasing the green fees
approximately 50 cents in all categories. Don Wineberg questioned the fees
for the new executive course, if they were set that low to encourage
growth. John Valliere answered that was the reason to a large extent. Don
Wineberg stated that he thought the patron fees could be increased to $50
for individuals and $85 for husband and wife. John Valliere stated that he
did not want to increase patron prices until 1988 because of the increase
of green fees. After further discussion it was decided that there should
be an increase of $10 on husband and wife patron cards and a $5 increase
for the individual patron card. Jim Fee MADE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE
PROPOSED FEES AS ADJUSTED (see attached schedule) Andy Montgomery
SECONDED THE MOTION. MOTION CARRIED.
Don Wineberg reported on a Golf Course Committee meeting he had attended.
It was discussed at the meeting that groups will be able to use the lower
level of the club house for meetings and they will be able to take food
down there. The new upstairs dining room will only be used for larger
groups as appropriate. The Golf Committee and others are starting a fund
for furniture in lower level. Their goal is $30,000 - $10,000 for each
room. John Valliere reported that $7,000 has already been received. Bob
Kojetin mentioned that the reason that the club house has not been
available to individuals wanting to use various areas in the new section is
because the building is not yet completed.
VI. OTHER
Bob Kojetin introduced Bill Bach, the new Park Manager of Edinborough
Park. It was reported that construction is going very fast and the
completion date is expected to be in March. Bill Bach is working with his
staff: Pat Greer, Visual Arts; Mary Lou Gerebi, Skating; Tom & Carolyn
Prin, Music.
Bob Kojetin showed the Park Board a copy of 1978 Edina City Council minutes
containing a resolution which was passed by the Council that the Braemar
Club House be named Warren Hyde Club House. Bob? -will have a fitting
plaque made to be displayed in the Clubhouse by September.
VII. ANNUAL BILLING FOR DOG LICENSES
Andy Montgomery stated that he feels that annual licensing of dogs should
be billed to bring in additional revenue to the city. After discussion of
this issue, Andy Montgomery made a motion that THE PARK BOARD RECOMMENDS
THAT THE CITY INVESTIGATE ANNUAL LICENSE RENEWALS FOR DOG LICENSES TO BE
SENT TO DOG OWNERS, AND INCLUDED WITH IT SHOULD BE A REMINDER OF THE DOG
ORDINANCE. Mack Thayer SECONDED THE MOTION. MOTION PASSED.
Don Wineberg MADE A MOTION TO ADJOURN. Marilyn Wooldridge SECONDED. Meeting
adjourned at 9:30 p.m.