HomeMy WebLinkAbout1982 10-27 Planning Commission Meeting Minutes RegularMINUTES OF THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE EDINA
COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND PLANNING COMMISSION
HELD ON WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 27, 1982, AT 7:30 P.M.
MEMBERS PRESENT: Chairman Bill Lewis, James Bentley,
Len Fernelius, Del Johnson, Gordon Johnson,
Helen McClelland, Mary McDonald, David Runyan
John Palmer and Leonard Ring
MEMBERS ABSENT: John Skagerberg
STAFF PRESENT: Gordon Hughes, City Planner
Craig Larsen, Comprehensive Planner
Fran Hoffman, City Engineer
Linda Eisen, Secretary
1. APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES:
Community Development and Planning Commission Minutes of September 29,
1982. Len Fernelius moved for approval and Helen McClelland seconded the motion.
All voted aye: the motion carried.
11. OLD BUSINESS:
Z-82-3 Leo M. Evans R-1 Single Family Residence District to R-2
Two Family Residence District
S-82-3 Evans Subdivision, Generally located south of Vernon Avenue
east of Olinger Road and north of Merold Drive.
Gordon Hughes explained that the proposal to place seven R-2 lots
abutting Vernon Avenue and fourteen single family dwelling lots had been
brought before City Council on Monday, October 18. That proposal included
the extension of Wycliffe Road onto Vernon Avenue. City Council referred
to Planning Commission and asked that the Wycliffe extension and the density
be restudied.
Del Johnson questioned the Council's position and Craig Larsen, the
Staff member who attended the October 18th A-leetina, reported that of the
four Council members present; one was interested in either cul-de-sacing
or looping Wycliffe Road to eliminate it's extension, two were in favor of the
road continuing though and one had no comment.
Mr. Larsen also expressed that one of the members mentioned the density
of the plan and two thought the number of lots would not present a problem.
David Runyan wondered if this plan presented any area problems and
Mr. Hughes reconfirmed the recommendation for one less lot on the westerly
side. Mr. Runyan also inquired of the purpose for extending Wycliffe.
Mr. Huohes stated that the Staff believes all planned roads should be exte::ded
if possible for .emergency -vehicle access and to, create better distribution of traffic.
Mrs. McClelland questioned if the lots in possible need of variances
had been corrected on this revised plan. Mr. Hughes answered yes,
with some minor lot line adjustments.
Community Development and Planning Commission
Minutes of the October 27, 1982 Meeting
Page two
James Bentley noted that there were streets in Edina presently
blocked off from traffic. He felt this was contradictory to Mr. Hughes'
previous statement. Mr. Hughes used the example of Lynmar Lane and
explained that people were using Lynmar for a shortcut to avoid stop
lights, therefore, it was blocked off. Mr. Bentley suggested the possibility
of chaining off a street.
Mr. Hughes informed that Wycliffe Road should not be left as a
dead end but should be cul-de-saced.
Upon Mary McDonald's request, it was noted that Wycliffe Road
is snowplowed alone with all of Edina's streets.
Roger Clemence, Leo Evan's architect, suggested that the Wycliffe
dead end be left as is except for some grading since the cul-de-sac on
the other side was somewhat higher. He also stated that the westerly lots
were of sufficient size. He suggested that the new roadways be labeled
"Vernon Drive", "Vernon Court" and "Vernon Circle" to avoid the problem
of people looking for a "Wycliffe Court" in the wrong area.
Mr. Larry Fischer, 5705 Wycliffe Road, offered his sincere compliment
to Mr. Clemence for his reasonable compromise.
Del Johnson stated his beliefs that Wycliffe should be extended. He
felt it necessary for the distribution of traffic. John Palmer agreed with
Mr. Johnson and the Staff. Mrs. McClelland also offered her approval
commentingthat the extension was only logical. Len Fernelius felt the same.
Mr. Larry Fischer argued that although that would leave Olinger and
Tracy with a substantial amount of traffic, these roads were better equiped
to handle that heavier traffic, whereas Wycliffe was not.
Audry Clay, 5716 Wycliffe Road, explained that her house was located
across from the Church and described the traffic generated by the Church.
With the extra traffic coming from Wycliffe, it would present a real safety
problem due to the blind intersections.
Upon Gordon Johnson's request, Fran Hoffman estimated 300 new trips
per day with the new development. With the extension of Wycliffe approximately.
250 of those trips would be directly to Vernon Ave. He went on to say
he felt the traffic would be of no great impact on the neighborhood.
Roger Clemence used the graphic to point out some examples of roads
departing• from the main streets and looping back out to service only small .
neighborhoods.
Janet Fischer, 5705 Wycliffe Road, spoke further of the hill on
Merold Drive. Often in the winter time people would slide through the stop
sign at the bottom of the hill. She was also concerned about the blind corners.
She argued that the property value would be 1owered if Wycliffe extended
through.
Community Development and Planning Commission
Minutes of the October 27, 1982, Meeting
Page three
Mary Manning, 5617 Wycliffe Road, informed the Commission that
originally the plan was to extend Wycliffe Road but the builders at
that time approached Mr. Evans on the subject and were not allowed to
build the street through his land. Since that time the neighborhood has
developed and is now a completely different aspect with the Church and
School. She felt the road should not be extended.
Gene Rasschaert, 5629 Wycliffe Road, presented the point that it
appeared as if the Commission was acting on the best interest of the people
of the neighborhood. Although appreciated, this was not necessary he
felt. They were generally happy with the neighbhood just as it is.
Del Johnson replied that they must also consider the well being of
those not in attendance even though Mr. Rasschaert argued that the interested
parties were those present at the meeting voicing their own opinions.
Charles Clay, 5617 Wycliffe Road, belived that Wycliffe would be used
for a short cut if it was extended. Gordon Johnson disagreed.
Larry Fischer appealed to the Commission to consider more closely the
requests of the neighbors present. He suggested that only the neighbors
could give an actua' report of the traffic in the area.
Dennis Wegner, 5705 Olinger Road, pointed out that he had been
opposing the rezoning proposal for 15 months and the Wycliffe neighbors
had brought their objections forth more recently. He also opposed the
extension.
James Bentley moved for approval of the revised plan
which illustrated
a cul-de-sac street plan
without the extension of
Wycliffe.
Leonard Ring
seconded the motion. A
roll call was taken. All
ayes with
the exception
of Helen McClelland, Del
Johnson, Len Fernelius
and John Palmer. The motion
carried. This proposal
will be heard before City
Council on Monday, Novemberl.
III. NEW BUSINESS:
S-82-4 Mikulay's Addition, Block 1 Replat. Lots 5, 6 & 7, Block 1,
Mikulay's Addition, Lots 1 & 7, Block 1, Kesler's Hilltop.
Generally located east of Wilryan and north of Crosstown Highway.
Mr. Hughes reported that the proposed subdivision was a combination of
several existing lots, a portion of vacated city street and excess right of
way from State Highway 100. The proponent had agreed to replat the parcels
in order to clear up the legal discriptions that result from the combination of
parcels. This would not contribute to the problems the lot has at the present.
Mr. Hughes recommended approval on behalf of the Staff.
Helen McClelland felt that one of the lots in consideration was a neck lot.
Mr. Hughes pointed out that it was already a neck lot with or without the
subdivision.
Community Development and Planning Commission
Minutes of the October 27, 1982, Meeting
Page four
Approval of the subdivision of Lots 1 and 2, Block 1 was moved
by Del Johnson and John Palmer seconded the motion. All ayes with the
exception of Helen McClelland due to disapproval of the neck lot. The
motion carried.
LD -82-7 Lot 3, Block 6, Braemar Hills 9th Addition
Mr. Hughes explained that the proponent requested a party wall division
of an existing double bungalow. Separate sewer and water connections- are
in place.
Gordon Johnson moved for approval of the part wall division and
Helen McClelland seconded the motion. A111 approved; the motion carried.
LD -82-8 Lots 1, 2, Block 1, Oak Ponds of Interlachen. Generally
located west of Blake Road and north of Fox Meadow Lane.
Proponent has withdrawn the request.
LD -82-9 Lot 7, Block 1, Lake Edina Village Replat. Generally located
south of West Shore Drive and west of Poppy Lane.
Mr. Hughes informed that the proponent was requesting a party wall
lot division of an existing double bungalow. Separate utility services provided
for each unit.
Helen McClelland questioned if an easement would be involved due to
the fact that one of the driveways overlapped onto the other lot. Mr. Hughes
replied that since the Staff and Commission have allowed for room for the
driveways, the actual location of those driveways would be handled between
the property owners.
James Bentley moved for approval of the party wall lot division and
Len Fernelius seconded the motion. All in favor; the motion carried.
IV. ADJOURNMENT:
Gordon Johnson moved for adjournment of the meeting and John Palmer
seconded the motion. All in favor; the motion carried.
The meeting was adjourned at 8:30 P.M. The next scheduled for
December 1, 1982.
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