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HomeMy WebLinkAbout2004 HPB Meeting Minutes Regular• MEMORANDUM TO: Heritage Preservation Board FROM: Joyce Repya SUBJECT: January 13th HPB Meeting - Cancelled DATE: January 7, 2004 The regularly scheduled Heritage Preservation Board meeting for January has been cancelled because Brad and Arlene Forrest, owners of the Baird House will be out of town and revisiting their Plan of Treatment was the only item for the agenda. (Note: The Forrests informed me at the City Council meeting on November 18th that they were not comfortable with their Plan of Treatment and wanted to make some changes, particularly addressing the preservation of the outbuilding.) They will be back in town for the February meeting when we will again address their plan. Keep an eye on City Hall. We are scheduled to move into the new building on January 30th, so if on schedule, February's meeting may be in our new digs. AGENDA REGULAR MEETING OF THE EDINA HERITAGE PRESERVATION BOARD TUESDAY, FEBRUARY 10, 2004, AT 7:00 P.M. EDINA HISTORICAL SOCIETY AT ARNESON ACRES 4711 W. 70TH STREET - UPSTAIRS APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES: November 12, 2003 II. PLAN OF TREATMENT: III. MORNINGSIDE REPORT IV. 2004 HERITAGE AWARD George Baird House, 4400 West 50th Street V. PRESERVATION WEEK: May 3-8,2004 VI. OTHER BUSINESS VII. NEXT MEETING DATE: March 9, 2004 VIII. ADJOURNMENT: MINUTES OF THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE EDINA HERITAGE PRESERVATION BOARD TUESDAY, FEBRUARY 10, 2004, AT 7:00 P.M. EDINA HISTORICAL SOCIETY AT ARNESON ACRES 4711 WEST 70TH STREET - UPSTAIRS MEMBERS PRESENT: Chairman, Gary Nyberg, Bill Crawford, Bob Kojetin, Herman Ratelle, Ann Swenson and Don Wray MEMBERS ABSENT: Peggy Jennings and Marie Thorpe STAFF PRESENT: Joyce Repya, Associate Planner OTHERS PRESENT: - Robert Vogel, Preservation Planning Consultant - Brad & Arlene Forrest, 4400 W. 50th Street - Joni Bennett, 4003 Lynn Avenue - Mary Carte, 4208 Branson Street I. APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES: s Member Ratelle moved approval of the minutes from the November 12, 2003 meeting. Member Wray seconded the motion. All voted aye. The motion carried. II. PLAN OF TREATMENT — GEORGE BAIRD HOUSE, 4400 W. 50TH ST. Planner Repya explained that at the November 18, 2003 meeting of the City Council, the Plans of Treatment were adopted for the Cahill School, Grange Hall, Grimes House and Peterson House. The Plan of Treatment for the Baird House was not addressed at the request of Brad and Arlene Forrest. At that time, the Forrests expressed their concerns with some of the requirements in the plan, particularly with respect to the existing outbuilding. The Plan of Treatment is a collaborative effort in which the HPB and the owner of the landmark property establish guidelines for preservation. Mr. and Mrs. Forrest have taken the Plan of Treatment initially discussed and made changes, which they feel meet their needs. The major changes they propose include: 1. Not mentioning the outbuilding. 2. Changing a "must be preserved and protected" to "should be preserved and protected". 3. Adding a caveat regarding the preservation and protection, which reads, "provided the preservation and protection is reasonable in cost and effort and consistent with current contemporary use." Both Brad and Arlene Forrest were in attendance. Chairman Nyberg opened the item up for discussion. Member Swenson stated that she felt that the Plan of Treatment for the Baird House was important because it is among the first to be drafted and will set the tone for future plans. She pointed out that the plan should be consistent with the goals of the Board and the homeowner. She opined that she did not agree with all of the proposed changes and would like to work on creating a document both the Board and the Forrest's could support. Owner Brad Forrest explained that the proposed changes were driven by two rationales: The cost involved in renovating should be reasonable. For example, to spend $200,000 to repair brick- work would not be reasonable for a private homeowner. A lot of private homeowner money should not have to be spent to make the place perfect again or like it used to be. Furthermore, taking terminology from the city codes, the provision is proposed that the preservation be consistent with current contemporary use. 2. Although they like the barn and will do what they can to preserve it, mention of the barn was deleted from the proposal for several reasons: First, a barn restoration company has inspected the structure and indicated that it would be very costly to replicate, and secondly, the barn has never been mentioned in any of the designation documents for either the National Register nor the local designation, which leads one to believe that the barn is not a significant element in the historic significance of the property. Arlene Forrest added that while they are fond of the barn, it has been identified as unsafe. There are no footings, and actually, the building is made of several outbuildings that were tagged on to each other over time. Furthermore, the term "must" being changed to "should" is proposed for purpose of legislation. Of course, every attempt will be made to preserve the property, however to require 2 that all elements of the house must be preserved or protected could impose a hardship. Mr. Forrest explained that when they approached revising the plan, they considered how they would advise a potential purchaser of the property. Member Swenson stated that she had no problem with "must" being replaced with "should" in the plan. However, to include "provided the preservation and protection is reasonable in cost and effort" appears nebulous. Mr. Forrest responded that the law can establish what is reasonable as based upon community standards. It is common to include the term reasonable in contracts and is well definable under law. Consultant Vogel interjected that the main reason for having a plan of treatment is to provide guidance from one generation of appointed city officials to those who will serve in the future. While the designation documents and the plan of treatment make it clear that the outbuilding isn't eligible for heritage landmark designation. By ordinance, if you choose to pull a permit to demolish the structure, a certificate of appropriateness will be required from the HPB. The current board would be well equipped to address a request for demolition. However, if 25 years from now a demolition permit is requested, the sitting HPB would not have the benefit of the discussions that have taken place, and would have no guidance to address the request if no mention is made of it in the plan of treatment. Someplace in the official registration document of which the plan of treatment is the last page, it should say that while the outbuilding contributes somewhat to the historic character of the property, it is not what the ordinance intends to keep standing. If the determination were made to demolish the outbuilding, requiring written and pictorial documentation prior to demolition would be appropriate. He added that a plan of treatment can be flexible, however it should not be crafted in such a way that it makes decisions for future boards. There are four treatments which can be addressed in a plan of treatment: 1. Preservation 2. Reconstruction 3. Restoration, and 4. Rehabilitation Of the four, rehabilitation is the most flexible, useful and appropriate for the Baird property. By pointing out in the plan of treatment the important elements of the historic buildings, guidance is provided for future decision makers when they need to apply the standards for new construction. 3 Mr. Vogel concluded that the plan of treatment is not an agreement. It is a way to state the owner's intent and give a reasonable heads -up to future decision makers. Mrs. Forrest stated that because future decision makers will use the plan of treatment, and it will be subject to the tone of whoever is interpreting it, she would like to see the use of the words "maintenance and rehabilitation" instead of "preservation and protection", pointing out that these words better describe the intent of the plan of treatment. She also indicated a desire to include a statement that the maintenance and rehabilitation should be subject to the Secretary of the Interiors standards. Board members agreed that Mrs. Forrest's proposed changes made sense. Consultant Vogel agreed with the Board, pointing out that when dealing with domestic properties that were built to be modified, it is much more practical to work toward rehabilitation rather than restoration. To try to turn back the clock or freeze time is not a good idea. Referring to the outbuilding, Mr. and Mrs. Forrest asked the Board if in the future, they decided to remove the structure, if the HPB would be interested in acquiring it. Consultant Vogel stated that interestingly enough, it is common practice to offer buildings such as theirs for sale in lieu of tearing them down. Discussion ensued to clarify the proposed changes agreed upon by the Board and the Forrest's. Member Swenson, then moved approval of the following revised plan of treatment: The Heritage Preservation Board (HPB) approved this plan of treatment on February 10, 2004. The HPB will review select applications for city permits pursuant to Edina City Code Section 850.20 — Edina Heritage Landmarks. The Edina Heritage Landmark designation for the Baird House includes all the extant structural elements of the house (including the 2002-2003 additions). 2. The recommended treatment concept for the Baird House is rehabilitation, applying measures to sustain the existing form, integrity, and materials of the historic house. The distinguishing original qualities of the house, including its asymmetrical plan, brick walls, multi -gabled roof, bays and porches, should be maintained and rehabilitated subject to the Secretary of the Interior Standards. The most important architectural details to be maintained are its rd Eastlake Style -inspired decorative elements; especially the square tower, prominent chimneys and any original trim elements. 3. The wood frame agricultural outbuilding historically associated with the Baird farm lacks individual significance. If the decision is made to remove the structure, it should be recorded (through the use of photographs, drawings, and written information) prior to demolition so that a body of information will be preserved with the HPB. Member Crawford seconded the motion. All voted aye. The motion carried. IIII. MORNINGSIDE REPORT: Consultant Vogel provided the HPB with copies of the Morningside Neighborhood Historic Resources Survey. He explained that the document included results of a reconnaissance survey of historic resources in the Morningside neighborhood. The purpose of the survey was to identify individual buildings and groups of buildings that met defined criteria of historical significance, and to gather information needed to plan for the preservation and enhancement of these resources. Mr. Vogel explained that five principal findings were identified in the report: 1. Morningside is a distinctive neighborhood with a significant concentration of well-preserved single-family homes, as well as several important non-residential properties, constructed between 1905 and 1935. 2. In addition to the Jonathan Grimes House (already listed in the National Register and recently designated an Edina Heritage Landmark), at least seven Morningside properties are individually eligible for designation as Edina Heritage Landmarks. 3. The eight bungalows on the north side of West 44th Street between Grimes Avenue and Eton Place meet the criteria for a Heritage Landmark District. 4. Given the limitations of budget and staff time, as well as the nature of the current threats to significant historic properties, it would not be cost effective to rezone a larger area for preservation at this time. 5. The HPB needs to consider a comprehensive, voluntary, non - regulatory approach to preservation, protection, and enhancement of historic resources in Morningside. Mr. Vogel pointed out that he found this survey to be very interesting. He was amazed that what one sees today is pretty much unchanged from what the surveyors saw in 1979 when the first city survey was completed 5 Mr. Vogel added that because the Board is seeing the report for the first time, he would like them to review it, and be prepared for discussion at the April meeting, since he will not be able to attend the March meeting. Mary Carte, 4208 Branson Street and Joni Bennett, 4003 Lynn Avenue were present, representing the newly formed Morningside Neighborhood Association. Ms Carte asked if it was easier to manage districts or individual properties. Mr. Vogel explained that administratively, individual properties were more manageable, because the city must review all plans for new construction and with a district; it is likely that there would be more permits requiring review than for individual designations. Joni Bennett stated that the Morningside neighborhood does have a distinct identity, which some residents feel has been threatened by changes, both tear downs and new construction that have occurred over the years. Chairman Nyberg asked Ms. Carte and Ms. Bennett if they were in favor of designating the entire neighborhood a landmark district. Both agreed that would be a good idea; Ms. Carte stating that she felt the neighborhood is threatened. Ms. Bennett pointed out that she is most concerned about the City's redevelopment plan for the 44th and France Commercial District that was created about 15 years ago. She indicated that the plan was listed as a priority in the City's newest "Vision 20/20" report. She explained that she understands the plan to include a proposal to remove several single- family homes directly west of the commercial buildings on both Sunnyside Road and W. 44th Street, and redevelop them for multi -family housing, thus threatening the residential nature of the neighborhood. Member Swenson responded that she represents the Planning Commission on the HPB, and the Planning Commission has not considered a plan for the 44th and France Commercial District. She added that if the City were going to address such a plan in the near future, the Planning Commission would be one of its first stops. Discussion ensued regarding the 44th and France commercial area. Board members agreed that they would like to study the plan Ms. Bennett referred to prior to commenting one way or another. Mary Carte explained that she is concerned that changes to the commercial district could negatively impact the strong sense of community in Morningside. Member Ratelle stated that a distinction should be made between buildings and people; pointing out that the City is also concerned about the sense of community. A Responding to a question regarding the next steps, Mr. Vogel explained that after the HPB has had time to review and discuss the report, they would determine the findings of significance. From that point they will determine which properties would qualify for landmark designation. Planner Repya added that after the findings of significance are made, the HPB will hold an informal informational meeting with residents of the Morningside neighborhood to explain the report and gain input from those most closely affected. This item was continued to the April meeting. No formal action was taken. IV. 2004 HERITAGE AWARD: Planner Repya shared a copy of an article that will appear in the City's spring issue of the "About Town" magazine. The article explains the Heritage Award program and encourages people to submit nominations for the award by April 1St Ms. Repya also explained that a similar article will appear in the Edina Sun - Current newspaper in early March. Discussion ensued. No formal action was taken. V. PRESERVATION WEEK: Planner Repya explained that Preservation Week 2004, sponsored by the National Trust for Historic Preservation is scheduled for May 3, through 8. The theme is "New Frontiers in Preservation". The announcement of the 2004 Heritage Award recipient is scheduled for Preservation Week. Ms. Repya suggested that the Board consider other activities that could be planned during that time period to draw attention to heritage preservation in Edina. VI. OTHER BUSINESS: Historic Bridge Research — Planner Repya advised the Board that Consultant Vogel will be working with the City Engineer, Wayne Houle to research the historic bridges in the city; particularly those which cross Minnehaha Creek. There are federal funds available to assist in the financing of improvements to historic bridges. The Engineering Department is sharing the cost of Mr. Vogel's consulting fee to cover the bridge research. More information will be forthcoming once Mr. Vogel has had an opportunity to complete his search. 7 VII. NEXT MEETING DATE: March 9, 2004 VII. ADJOURNMENT: 8:45 p.m. Respectfully submitted, Kjjovyc Repya City of Edina MEMORANDUM TO: Heritage Preservation Board FROM: Joyce Repya SUBJECT: March 9"' Meeting - Cancelled DATE: February 27, 2004 You may have noticed when you received your invitation to the Annual Boards and Commissions meeting, that it is planned for the same evening as our March HPB meeting. Since we have no requests for a Certificate of Appropriateness, and Robert Vogel will be out of town, I am taking the liberty to cancel the meeting; hoping you will be able to attend the dinner meeting at the Braemar Clubhouse. If you haven't already, please RSVP to Susan Heiberg, 952/826-0403. City Hall 4801 WEST 50TH STREET EDINA, MINNESOTA, 55424-1394 www.cityofedina.com 952-927-8861 FAX 952-826-0390 TTY 952-826-0379 AGENDA REGULAR MEETING OF THE EDINA HERITAGE PRESERVATION BOARD TUESDAY, APRIL 13, 2004, AT 7:00 P.M. EDINA CITY HALL MAYOR'S CONFERENCE ROOM I. APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES: FEBRUARY 10, 2004 II. ELECTION OF OFFICERS III. CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS: CAHILL SCHOOL/GRANGE HALL - WINDOW REPLACEMENT IV. MORNINGSIDE REPORT V. 2004 EDINA HERITAGE AWARD VI. 2004 WORK PLAN VII. OTHER BUSINESS VIII. NEXT MEETING DATE: MAY 11, 2004 IX. ADJOURNMENT MINUTES OF THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE EDINA HERITAGE PRESERVATION BOARD TUESDAY, APRIL 13, 2004, AT 7:00 P.M. EDINA CITY HALL MAYOR'S CONFERENCE ROOM 4801 WEST 50TH STREET MEMBERS PRESENT: Chairman Gary Nyberg, Bill Crawford, Bob Kojetin, Herman Ratelle, Ann Swenson and Marie Thorpe MEMBERS ABSENT: Peggy Jennings and Don Wray STAFF PRESENT: Joyce Repya, Associate Planner OTHERS PRESENT: - Robert Vogel, Preservation Planning Consultant - Vince Cockriel, Park & Recreation Superintendent - Joni Bennett, 4003 Lynn Avenue - Mary Carte, 4208 Branson Street I. APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES: • Member Ratelle moved approval of the minutes from the February 10, 2004 meeting. Member Swenson seconded the motion. All voted aye. The motion carried. II. ELECTION OF OFFICERS: Planner Repya explained that it was again the time of year to elect officers to the Board and asked if there were any nominations. Member Swenson asked Member Nyberg if he would like to continue serving as chairman of the Board. Mr. Nyberg stated that he would be happy to continue serving. Discussion ensued regarding the vice chairman position. Planner Repya pointed out that Member Wray, has been the vice chair for several years; however he now has a conflict with the meeting date and may not wish to continue serving as vice chair. Repya added that she was not comfortable appointing a person to office in their absence. Board members agreed with Ms. Repya. Member Swenson then asked Member Kojetin if he would be willing to serve as vice chairman. Mr. Kojetin stated that he would be happy to. Member Swenson then offered the motion that Member Nyberg serve as chairman and Member Kojetin serve as vice chairman of the Heritage Preservation Board for 2004 — 2005. Member Crawford seconded the motion. All voted aye. The motion carried. III. CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS: CAHILL SCHOOL & GRANGE HALL — 4918 EDEN AVENUE — New Windows Planner Repya reminded the Board that at their July 2003 meeting they had reviewed the maintenance schedule for the Cahill School and Grange Hall with Vince Cockriel, the Park and Recreation Superintendent responsible for maintaining the structures. At that time, it was identified that the windows for both buildings needed to be replaced. Since then, Vince has received two bids for the job from firms familiar with working on historic buildings. He is proposing the Board accept the bid of $21,575 from A -CRAFT Windows to replace 12 windows and 12 storms on the Grange Hall and 8 windows on the Cahill School (the storm windows are in good shape and not in need of replacement). Board members discussed the window construction. Vince explained that the windows are proposed to be single pane, true divided lite windows with thicker than usual muntins. He added that the Grange Hall had screens at one time, which came in handy on warm summer days. Member Kojetin asked whether it would be practical to install air conditioning in the building. Vince commented that the furnaces had been replaced in both the Cahill School and Grange Hall not too many years ago. He added that he would not recommend adding air conditioning for several reasons: The buildings are poorly insulated and there is not ductwork in place to accommodate air conditioning - to add that would be very costly. Planner Repya also questioned whether the buildings are utilized enough in the summer months to warrant such an expense. Member Swenson asked Mr. Cockriel if he had researched the cost of new screens for the Grange Hall. Vince pointed out that the screens would cost approximately $5,000. Discussion ensued regarding the practicality of the screens. Responding to a question regarding the budget for the scheduled repairs to the Cahill School and Grange Hall, Vince explained that approximately $88,000 remains in the budget after having re -roofed both buildings last summer. Once the window replacement has been completed, approximately $60,000 - $65,000 will remain which he has targeted for new wood siding for both buildings. He pointed out that while $60,000 seems like a lot of money, to re -side both buildings with the wood lap siding would take all of the remaining funds. He added that wood siding is the right way to go for these historic buildings. Board members agreed with Mr. Cockriel. Consultant Vogel commented that the proposed bid for window replacement meets the standards for a Certificate of Appropriateness. He explained that per the plan of treatment for the buildings, when the windows are beyond repair, they don't need to be re-created, but the look should be replicated; which is what is being proposed. 2 �r Member Swenson stated that she was comfortable with the bid from A -CRAFT Windows and moved to accept their bid of $21,575 to replace the windows on the Cahill School and the windows and storms on the on the Grange Hall. She added that she felt that constructing screens for the windows on the Grange Hall should be done now while the windows are being addressed and further moved to authorize an expenditure of up to $25,000 to include the new screens. Member Crawford seconded the motion. All voted aye. The motion carried. IV. MORNINGSIDE REPORT: Planner Repya reminded the Board that Consultant Vogel had presented his research and recommendations for the Morningside neighborhood to them at the last meeting in February. At that time, Mr. Vogel reviewed his findings and asked to Board to spend some time studying the report and be prepared to discuss the findings and recommendations. Ms. Repya explained that Member Jennings, who could not attend this evening, asked that her reflections on the report be forwarded to the Board. Paraphrasing Mrs. Jennings' comments, Ms. Repya observed that Morningside is a very distinctive neighborhood with a tremendous amount of character. The highly individual and unassuming presence of the many styles of homes within the area gives it a unique place in the history of Edina. Rezoning the entire area certainly seems ambitious given the diversity in style, age and the number of buildings involved. She indicated that the Morningside Church and former Oddfellows Hall were focal points in the daily life of the community and continue to have a great presence. Furthermore, the 8 homes in the "Bungalow District" along West 44th Street have always appeared to be their own entity and it would be appropriate to recognize that. Member Jennings indicated that she supports the idea of creating opportunities for education and information sharing for homeowners in the area. Encouraging voluntary compliance with preservation guidelines would create a positive emphasis rather than in imposed or hierarchical mandate. In closing, Mrs. Jennings applauded all the recommendations from the survey stating that they seem sensible, conservative and realistic. Consultant Vogel commented that Morningside is the perfect laboratory to devise a non -regulatory, completely voluntary, compliance based neighborhood preservation program. The City's position should be not to mandate preservation, however at the same time, the City should ensure that nothing they do negatively impacts the neighborhood. The City can also contribute enhancements to the historic neighborhood in the form of signage, light fixtures, fire hydrants, etc. 3 Mr. Vogel pointed out that the direction the Board chooses to take with the Morningside neighborhood will set a template for other neighborhoods in the City. Heritage preservation in the Morningside neighborhood can either be addressed from a regulatory standpoint or with a non -regulatory approach, stressing education and providing support when asked. Following a brief discussion, Board members agreed that it is important to determine the level of interest and the perceived needs of the Morningside residents. Member Swenson suggested that a survey be mailed to the property owners in the neighborhood to convey the results of Mr. Vogel's report and determine their interests and desires. Board members agreed that such�a survey would serve the dual purpose to both educate the neighborhood and gain insight regarding their concerns. Joni Bennett, 4003 Lynn Avenue and Mary Carte, 4208 Branson Street were present representing the Morningside Neighborhood Association. Chairman Nyberg asked for their reflections on the report and areas they feel the HPB should address. Ms. Bennett stated that she had shared the report and recommendations with members of the neighborhood association. She indicated she was looking forward to hearing the reaction of the Heritage Preservation Board and was hoping the neighborhood would have input before a decision is made. She added that the two items, which she feels raise the most concern with the neighborhood, would be the redevelopment of the 44th & France commercial area and the increasing number of tear-downs/new construction. Ms. Carte agreed with Ms. Bennett pointing out that it is frustrating for residents to experience the teardown of a neighboring home with no idea what will be taking its place. Discussion ensued regarding the proliferation of teardowns occurring throughout the City. Planner Repya explained that because Edina has very few undeveloped properties, many people are choosing to purchase a property for the lot with the intention of building a new home. Consultant Vogel indicated that the City of Farmington has addressed demolitions is their zoning code that he will share with the HPB. Ms. Bennett asked if the neighborhood would have any involvement prior to a decision being made. Mr. Vogel explained the report is a working document that does not require action at this time. The next step will be for the Board to glean information from the neighborhood regarding their desires. Board members agreed that the next step should be to create an information piece/ survey for the neighborhood, much like what was done prior to action being taken on the Country Club District. Member Swenson offered assistance rd in creating the survey. Planner Repya stated that she would have a draft copy of the survey ready for the Board to review at their May meeting. No formal action was taken. Chairman Nyberg thanked both Ms. Bennett and Ms. Carte for attending the meeting and welcomed their continued input. Member Kojetin, President of the Edina Historical Society asked both ladies if the Morningside Neighborhood Association had any plans for the 100 Year Anniversary of Morningside in 2005. Ms. Bennett thanked Mr. Kojetin for pointing out the date and indicated that she was sure the neighborhood would be interested in a celebration. Mr. Kojetin pointed out that the Edina Historical Society would be happy to assist the neighborhood with their plans. V. 2004 EDINA HERITAGE AWARD: Planner Repya explained that two nominations were received for the Edina Heritage Award. The first was received in May, 2003 from two high school seniors who did a photographic project on "A Day in Edina". Unfortunately, because the girls graduated last June, the timing wasn't right for the 2004 award. The second nomination is for the renovation/preservation of the Edina Theater sign and marquee. The owners of the theater, Gene and Suzanne Haugland along with Landmark Theatres have done an excellent job of bringing the sign, which is vital to identifying the community, back to the original design. Board members were thrilled with the theater nomination, agreeing that the Edina Theater is one of the most visually prominent features associated with the community, not only worthy of the Heritage Award, but also a prime candidate for landmark designation. Member Swenson, who submitted the nomination, explained that she had a nice conversation with Gene Haugland who was honored with the nomination. At that time, she explained Edina's landmark designation procedures. She added that Gene appeared surprised that Edina worked with the property owners unlike HPB's in other communities that take a dictatorial approach. Member Kojetin then moved to accept the Edina Theater sign and marquee for the 2004 Edina Heritage Award. Member Ratelle seconded the motion. All voted aye. The motion carried. 5 VI. 2004 WORK PLAN: Consultant Vogel explained that 50% of his time for 2004 has been spoken for by the City's Engineer to research and offer advise on the historic bridges in the City. He asked how the Board envisions the remainder of his time being used. Discussion ensued regarding pending and future projects. All agreed that completing the Morningside study and possible designations should take top priority. Additional projects identified included: Landmark designation of the Edina Theater sign and marquee Renovations to the Browndale Bridge and possible individual landmark designation of the bridge as well as the mill site. Individual landmark designations from the Morningside report or by request. Board members agreed that the listed projects should take up the remaining consulting time available to the City. No formal action was taken. VII. OTHER BUSINESS: Chairman Nyberg shared a promotional brochure he picked up from a house for sale on Drexel Avenue. Mr. Nyberg pointed out that within the description of the property, the realtor wrote that, "Built in 1927, this home holds a place on the National Register of Historical Places. With the Edina Heritage Landmark Designation in place, the City can protect the historic integrity by ensuring that new construction is in keeping with the goal and objectives identified for the neighborhood." Mr. Nyberg asked if the Board felt the description was deceiving to the public due the reference that the house was listed on the National Register (the house isn't, the District is). Following a brief discussion, Board members agreed that while the realtor may have been stretching the truth somewhat, the brochure was attempting to educate prospective buyers to the historic importance of the neighborhood, which is a good thing. All agreed that it was interesting to see language from the plan of treatment being used to market the homes... helping the cause of the Board. No formal action was taken. Vlll. NEXT MEETING DATE: May 11, 2004 IX. ADJOURNMENT: 8:20 p.m. Respectfully submitted, 6 AGENDA REGULAR MEETING OF THE EDINA HERITAGE PRESERVATION BOARD TUESDAY, MAY 11, 2003, AT 7:00 P.M. EDINA CITY HALL MAYOR'S CONFERENCE ROOM I. APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES: APRIL 13, 2004 II. CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS — COUNTRY CLUB DISTRICT A. H-04-2: 4624 Arden Avenue — Demolish Detached Garage & Construct a New Detached Garage B. H-04-3: 4602 Moorland Avenue- Convert Existing Attached Garage to Living Space & Construct a New Detached Garage III. MORNINGSIDE NEIGHBORHOOD SURVEY IV. EDINA HERITAGE LANDMARK ELIGIBLE PROPERTIES V. OTHER BUSINESS: A. H-04-1 4508 Arden Avenue — Move existing detached garage VI. NEXT MEETING DATE: JUNE 8, 2004 VII. ADJOURNMENT: MINUTES OF THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE EDINA HERITAGE PRESERVATION BOARD TUESDAY, May 11, 2004 AT 7:00 P.M. EDINA CITY HALL MAYOR'S CONFERENCE ROOM 4801 WEST 501H STREET MEMBERS PRESENT: Chairman Gary Nyberg, Bill Crawford, Bob Kojetin, Herman Ratelle and Marie Thorpe MEMBERS ABSENT: Peggy Jennings, Ann Swenson and Don Wray STAFF PRESENT: Joyce Repya, Associate Planner OTHERS PRESENT: -Robert Vogel, Preservation Planning Consultant -Anne Gaskill, 4624 Arden Avenue -Dan Kreiter, Matthias K. Builders -Margaret Hoppmann, 4602 Moorland Avenue -Karen Sullivan, The Foundation Architects -Joni Bennett, 4003 Lynn Avenue -Mary Carte, 4208 Branson Street I. APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES: Member Ratelle moved for approval of the minutes from the April 13, 2004 meeting. Member Crawford seconded the motion. All voted aye. The motion carried. II. CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS — COUNTRY CLUB DISTRICT A. H-04-2 4624 Arden Avenue - Demolish existing detached garage and construct a new detached garage Planner Repya explained that the subject property is located on the west side of Arden Avenue five houses north of Country Club Road. The house, constructed in 1928 is of the English Cottage architectural style and has a detached garage directly behind the house along the north property line. The existing detached garage proposed to be demolished is a simple frame structure measuring18.3' x 20.3', which is small for a two -car garage by today's standards. The garage is located directly behind the house, only 3 feet from the deck. The garage lacks architectural distinction and has no historical is significance. i. I The proposed new garage is a two -car detached structure measuring 24'x 24'. The garage will be located in the southwest corner of the property abutting the garage for the neighbor to the south at 4626 Arden Avenue. A side and rear yard setback of 3.5 feet is shown on the plan, which is consistent with the setback for the adjacent garages and meets the city code requirements. The plans illustrate a garage that compliments the English Cottage style home. The exterior material is shown to be stucco with wood sticking in the gable end above the door. The height of the garage is shown to be 8.5 feet to the eave line in contrast to the garage to the south shown at 8.66 feet at the eave. The height is illustrated at 18 feet at the highest point, which may be slightly taller than the adjacent garage due to the difference in roof pitch. Ms. Repya observed that the Country Club District Plan of Treatment recognizes garages as a form of new construction requiring a Certificate of Appropriateness, however provides no specific guidelines for its design. According to the Secretary of the Interior's standards for the treatment of historic properties, new construction is an appropriate undertaking in an historic district when it is compatible in size, scale, materials, color and texture with other buildings in the neighborhood. Furthermore, detached garages are consistent with the historic pattern of residential development in the Country Club District. The photographs submitted with the request illustrate how the existing garage sits very close to the dwelling, limiting the homeowner's ability to enjoy the backyard. The new location for the garage in the southwest corner of the property will open the rear for living space and keep the garage activities in a location appreciated by the abutting neighbors. Planner Repya concluded that based upon the information provided supporting the request, staff finds that the proposed new garage should not detract from the historic character of the property nor the adjacent homes. Approval of the request to demolish the existing detached garage and replace it with a new detached garage was recommended, subject to the plans presented. Planner Repya added that Anne Gaskill, owner of the property and Dan Krieter the contractor were present to address any questions. Chairman Nyberg asked if the small shed illustrated in the photographs on the spot where the new garage is planned would remain on the property. Mr. Krieter stated that the shed would be removed. Member Kojetin asked if an addition was planned for the home after the garage is removed. Mr. Krieter stated that an addition has been planned for the rear of the home to include a family room, kitchen and mud room for the first floor with a master bedroom and bath on the second floor. Chairman Nyberg pointed out that 2 while the Heritage Preservation Board does not require a Certificate of Appropriateness for additions, when an addition is part of a project requiring a Certificate of Appropriateness, the board appreciates the ability to see the addition plans as part of the overall project. Mr. Krieter offered a copy of the addition plans to be included in the file. Board members thanked Mr. Krieter for providing the plans and then took time to review them. Stating that he thought the plans were thorough, Member Kojetin moved approval of the Certificate of Appropriateness to demolish the existing detached garage and construct a new detached garage in the southwest corner of the property. Member Crawford seconded the motion. All voted aye. The motion carried. B. H-04-3 4602 Moorland Avenue — Convert existing attached garage to living space & construct a new detached garage Planner Repya explained that the subject property is located on the west side of the 4600 block of Moorland Avenue, two lots south of Bridge Street. The existing home is a 1929 English Cottage style with a 2 -car attached garage located on the north side of the rear of the house. The garage is accessed from a driveway running along the south property line. The subject request involves converting the existing attached garage to two stories of living space and building a new detached garage in the southwest corner of the rear yard. A new curb cut is not required since the existing driveway will access the proposed garage. Plans for the proposed garage illustrate that it will compliment the English Cottage architectural style of the home, incorporating wood sticking and stucco on the walls and a slate roof. The height of the garage is shown to be 21.75 feet at the highest peak, 15.5 feet to the midpoint of the gable end with a 12/12 pitch to the roof. The closest detached garage is in the southwest corner of the southerly adjacent property at 4604 Moorland Avenue. A three-foot side and rear yard setback are proposed which meets the code requirements for a detached structure in the rear yard. Planner Repya pointed out that the Edina Zoning Ordinance requires a 2 -car garage in the R-1 zoning district. The existing attached garage measures 18'x 20', while considered a 2 -car, is small by today's standards. It is not uncommon to see plans for S- car garages, particularly if the lot coverage for the property is not compromised. From a practical standpoint, a 3 -car garage can be preferable because it provides storage for equipment and accessory vehicles, which might otherwise be stored on the driveway or behind the garage. Ms. Repya concluded that the information provided supporting the request for a Certificate of Appropriateness meets the requirements of the Zoning Ordinance and the Country Club Plan of Treatment. Furthermore, the plans indicate that the exterior materials of the new garage will compliment the existing home and the new structure meets the setback, height and lot coverage requirements set out in the code. Considering the aforementioned, Staff recommends approval of the Certificate of Appropriateness to build a new -detached garage in the rear yard subject to the plans presented. Property owner Margaret Hoppmann and Karen Sullivan of The Foundation Architects were present to address any questions. A board member asked why the 12/12/ pitch is proposed for the garage roof. Ms. Sullivan explained that the pitch chosen for the roof replicates the slope of roof on the house. Robert Vogel asked when the attached garage was added to the house. Mrs. Hoppmann stated that it is her understanding that the garage is part of the original construction of the house. Pointing out that in 1929 the desire was to ensure that the garage was not visible from the street. Following a brief discussion, Member Ratelle moved approval of the request for a Certificate of Appropriateness to construct a new detached garage in the rear yard. Member Kojetin seconded the motion. All voted aye. The motion carried. 111111. MORNINGSIDE NEIGHBORHOOD SURVEY Planner Repya explained that she had provided the Board with copies of a draft survey to be filled -out by the Morningside neighborhood as well as a cover letter explaining the survey and a summary of the Morningside Report completed by Robert Vogel. (Note — a copy of the aforementioned was also sent to the Morningside Neighborhood Association representative, Joni Bennett) Ms. Repya then asked for input on the proposed materials. Joni Bennett, 4003 Lynn Avenue presented the Board with a written response to the draft survey and report summary. Board members took time to read Mrs. Bennett's submittal. In addition to several clarifications she proposed for the survey, Mrs. Bennett opined that she did not agree with Mr. Vogel's conclusions in the Morningside Report, adding that she felt that Morningside should be designated a Heritage Landmark District, not for its homes (although many are historic and distinctive), but for the fact that it does derive its significance from being a unified entity — pointing out that Morningside is the first residential, suburban, commuter neighborhood created in Edina when "middle-class city professionals" beginning in 1905, became able to ride the newly —constructed streetcar line between their homes in Morningside and their jobs in Minneapolis. Furthermore, Morningside is also the only neighborhood in Edina to have existed as a separate village. Morningside's identity is not only rooted in its variety of homes, but also is rooted in its sidewalks and tree -lined streets, its convenient commercial district and its sense of history and community. 4 Chairman Nyberg stated that he felt Mrs. Bennett made a very good point. In the past, the Heritage Preservation Board has focused most of their energy toward preserving architecture, however, the planning and history of an area can be equally important to its historic significance. Member Ratelle agreed with Mr. Nyberg pointing out that an operative word in these discussions should be "community"; and indeed, Morningside is a distinctive "community". Consultant Vogel reminded the Board that whatever direction is chosen for the Morningside neighborhood, they must remember that the distinction needs to fit within the parameters of the Zoning Ordinance regulations for Historic Landmark properties; specifically, the Board will review all applications for city permits for demolition of any building, moving a building, new construction and excavation of archeological features in areas where there may be heritage resources. If the Board chooses to designate the entire Morningside neighborhood a landmark district, with over 700 homes, the amount of work for staff and the Board could be daunting. Chairman Nyberg stated that he senses that the neighborhood is concerned about the teardown of homes and controlling what is taking their place. Mrs. Bennett explained that there are really two important elements as she sees it: protection and recognition. She added that definition would be more important than restrictions. Mr. Vogel explained that there are creative approaches that Edina could take that have not been done before, like establishing a conservancy district for instance. The first step however, should be to survey the neighborhood and establish where the consensus of priorities lie. Following a brief discussion, Planner Repya stated that she would revise the survey and summary report as recommended and target a mailing for the week of May 24th with a return deadline of June 18tH Board members then thanked Mrs. Bennett and Mrs. Carte for their opinions and suggestions, and encouraged them to continue participating in the on going planning and discussion. IV. EDINA HERITAGE LANDMARK ELIGIBLE PROPERTIES Consultant Vogel provided a handout entitled "Edina Heritage Landmarks" in which he identified three categories of properties: 5 1. Designated Heritage Landmarks: Baird House, 4400 West 50th Street Cahill School, Frank Tupa Park Country Club District Grimes House, 4200 W. 44th Street Minnehaha Grange Hall, Frank Tupa Park Peterson House, 5312 Interlachen Boulevard 2. Determined Eligible for Landmark Designation: Edina Mill Site, Dwight Williams Park Edina Theater, 3911 W. 50th Street 3. Determination of Eligibility Recommended: Browndale Bridge, Browndale Avenue at W. 50th Street Erickson House 4346 Scott Terrace Odd Fellows Hall, 4388 France Avenue St Stephen the Martyr Episcopal Church, 4439 W. 50th Street Simmons House, 4116 W.44t Street Leeskov House, 4410 Curve Avenue Skone House, 4311 Eton Place Morningside United Church of Christ, 4201 Morningside Road Onstad House, 4305 Morningside Road Morningside Bungalow District, W. 44th Street (8 houses) Mr. Vogel explained that the Board has previously addressed the first two categories. The third category, which includes 10 properties recommended to be eligible for landmark designation needs to be adopted by the Board. He pointed out that by means of identifying these properties as eligible for landmark designation provides a small level of protection for them. If in the future, a plan were presented to demolish any of these structures, the fact that they have been identified as potentially eligible for landmark designation would enable the HPB to raise the issue of concern. Board members discussed the recommended properties and agreed that they were all worth considering. Member Crawford then moved to adopt the list of 10 properties as recommended to be.eligible for heritage landmark designation. Member Kojetin seconded the motion. All voted aye. The motion carried. C-1 V. OTHER BUSINESS A. H-04-1 4508 Arden Avenue — Move existing detached garage Planner Repya reported that the subject property is an American Colonial Revival with Italian Renaissance Revival influences built in 1927. The homeowners have lived there for many years and would like to stay in their home as they age. To accommodate their current needs, the owner is proposing to add a single story, 516 square foot addition to the rear of the house as well as a deck and ramping system for access. Originally, the garage was not going to be moved, however, the designer discovered that once the addition touched the detached garage, it became an attached garage, requiring a 25 foot rear yard setback —19.8 feet was what existed. Rather than applying for a variance from the rear yard setback requirement, the homeowner opted to move the existing garage to the southwest corner of the lot. Because the Country Club District Plan of Treatment requires a Certificate of Appropriateness for moving a structure in the district, the plan came to Ms. Repya for heritage preservation review. Ms. Repya further explained that after discussing the proposed plan with Consultant Vogel, members of the Planning Staff and several members of the Board, it was agreed that because the garage already exists, and is merely being moved from one location on the lot to another, the impact would not be the same as if a new structure were introduced, thus the Certificate of Appropriateness was issued administratively. Board members discussed the concept of administratively issuing COA's in instances such as moving a structure on the same site, and agreed that would be appropriate. No formal action was taken VI. NEXT MEETING DATE: June 8, 2004 VII. ADJOURNMENT: 8:15 p.m. Respectfully submitted, eyce epya, Associat lanner 7 AGENDA REGULAR MEETING OF THE EDINA HERITAGE PRESERVATION BOARD TUESDAY, JUNE 8, 2004, AT 7:00 P.M. EDINA CITY HALL MAYOR'S CONFERENCE ROOM I. APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES: MAY 11, 2004 II. CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS — COUNTRY CLUB DISTRICT A. H-04-4: 4517 Arden Avenue — Construct a New Detached Garage III. HISTORIC DISTRICT DESIGNATION DISCUSSION IV. OTHER BUSINESS: VI. NEXT MEETING DATE: July 13, 2004 VII. ADJOURNMENT: MINUTES OF THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE EDINA HERITAGE PRESERVATION BOARD TUESDAY, JUNE 8, 2004 AT 7:00 P.M. EDINA CITY HALL MAYOR'S CONFERENCE ROOM 4801 WEST 50TH STREET MEMBERS PRESENT: Chairman Gary Nyberg, Bill Crawford, Peggy Jennings, Bob Kojetin, Ann Swenson, Marie Thorpe and Don Wray MEMBERS ABSENT: Herman Ratelle STAFF PRESENT: Joyce Repya, Associate Planner OTHERS PRESENT: -Robert Vogel, Preservation Planning Consultant -Peter Eskuche, Eskuche Creative Group -Joni Bennett, 4003 Lynn Avenue -Mary Carte, 4208 Branson Street -Lisa Fagan, 4164 W. 44th Street I. APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES: Member Swenson moved for approval of the minutes from the May 11, 2004 meeting. Member Jennings seconded the motion. All voted aye. The motion carried. CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS — COUNTRY CLUB DISTRICT A. H-04-4 4517 Arden Avenue - Construct a new detached garage Planner Repya explained that the subject property is located on the east side of the 4500 block of Arden Avenue. The house, constructed in 1929 is of the English Cottage architectural style and has a one car attached garage. A driveway is located on the north side of the property, which currently stops at the garage. The subject request involves removing the attached garage (which has already occurred) and continuing the driveway around the north side of the home to access a new detached garage in the southeast corner of the rear yard. The new detached garage is proposed to compliment the architectural style of the home, incorporating a sloping roofline, prominent gables on the ends with low- pitched shed dormers. Trim details to match the home are proposed with cedar y.. i shake siding to match as well. The garage door is proposed to be a wood carriage house style with three divided light windows, in keeping with the English Cottage style of the home. The garage floor is proposed to be several feet below grade on three elevations to accommodate the elevation of the lot. The garage for the northerly neighbor at 4515 Arden Avenue is similarly built into the lot. The proposed three-foot setback from the side and rear lot lines meets the zoning ordinance requirements. Ms. Repya pointed out that the closest structure to the proposed garage is the detached garage in the northeast corner of the southerly property at 4519 Arden Avenue. The garage is shown to have a building height of 17' 6". the subject garage proposes a height of 21' 6" to the peak, 15' 6" to the eave of the shed dormer and 6'4 '/2" to the eave line. These heights are consistent with other detached garages the Board has reviewed in the district and in keeping with the roofline of the home. Ms Repya concluded that the information provide supporting the subject request meets the requirement of both the Zoning Ordinance and the Country Club District Plan of Treatment. Furthermore the plans indicate that the exterior materials of the new garage will compliment the existing home. Staff recommended approval of the request to build a new detached garage subject to the plans presented. Planner Repya added that Peter Eskuche, architect for the project was present to address any questions. Member Swenson asked why the garage is shown to have a rhomboid shaped angle in the southeast corner instead of being squared -off. Mr. Eskuche explained that by angling the garage on the lot, the added space in the southeast corner will provide for storage as well as easier access. He also pointed out that the angle of the southeast corner looks more severe on the site plan than the actual structure will appear. Chairman Nyberg observed that placement of the garage in the southeast corner of the lot seems the most logical location in order to preserve the existing trees along the northeast corner of the lot. Responding to a question regarding the new retaining walls proposed for either side of the garage, Mr. Esckuche explained that a natural rock material similar to lannon stone is proposed. Chairman Nyberg stated that the English Cottage house is unique in the district and the proposed garage is a good plan that will be a compliment the property. Member Swenson moved approval of the request for a Certificate of Appropriateness to build a detached garage in the rear yard subject to the plans presented and the condition that the building materials match the house. Member Crawford seconded the motion. All voted aye. The motion carried. Side Note: Regarding the issuance of a Certificates of Appropriateness, Member Swenson explained that although she was unable to attend May's meeting, she was concerned about the garage that was approved for the home at 4602 Moorland Avenue. The pitch of the roof was proposed to be 12/12, which is quite steep and provides for almost as much roof area as building wall. Although the proponent indicated the pitch matched the house, the section of the house with the 12/12 pitch was very small. Another very large detached garage approved that included a potting shed and upstairs area was for the home at 4405 Browndale Avenue. Mrs. Swenson asked the Board, as they move forward, to be careful that the garages that are approved do not get too tall; the garage should be an accessory structure, not as massive, nor necessarily replicating the principle structure. Chairman Nyberg thanked Mrs. Swenson for her comments. HISTORIC DISTRICT DESIGNATION DISCUSSION: Consultant Vogel explained that he feels the Heritage Preservation Board needs to make a policy decision regarding the criteria for heritage landmark "district" designations. He foresees a potential problem when addressing not only Morningside, but also future neighborhoods, because landmark districts derive their significance from being a unified physical entity (even though they may be composed of a wide variety of heritage resources.) In historic preservation practice, a landmark district would need to convey a strong visual sense of the overall historic environment of a neighborhood. Residential landmark districts are usually nor large than 10 to 12 homes because large landmark district are too difficult to manage. Edina's Country Club District may well be the largest residential district in the state with 550 homes. However, the Country Club District is unique in that it was a planned residential area that conveys a strong, consistent visual sense throughout the designated area, and furthermore, it had already been identified as an historic district with its 1980 National Register of Historic District designation. Mr. Vogel pointed out that when addressing the definition of a landmark district, one must start with the intent of the preservation ordinance, which is to preserve significant, three- dimensional, perishable and non-renewable things, and to mitigate change through official controls. The criteria for the eligibility of a landmark district is no different from that of a structure which includes: 1. Association with an important event or patterns of events that reflect significant broad patterns in local history; or 2. Association with the lives of historically significant persons or groups significant; or 3. Embodiment of the distinctive characteristics of an architectural style, design, period, type or method of construction; or that possesses high artistic values; or 4. Important archeological data or the potential to yield to important archeological data. Furthermore, the designation must have integrity, which means that what one sees today is what was significant in the past. Mr. Vogel added that the reason heritage preservation is included in the zoning ordinance is because the zoning ordinance is regulatory and provides a means to enforce the established policies. When creating a landmark designation, the city must be sure that the designation meets the criteria of both the historic context study and the heritage preservation section of the zoning ordinance. When dealing with districts, they are all different, so it is hard to come up with an elaborate set of guidelines that applies to all. Generally, the sense is that if a district is going to be determined historically significant, than it has to be deemed significant within the historic context study. For the Country Club District, the theme was the planned community. For Morningside, the contextual theme identified centered on the streetcar, taking in the era of 1905 — 1935. The Edina Historic Context Study clearly identifies the historical significance of Morningside as the early "streetcar" neighborhood dominated by bungalows and other buildings constructed from 1905-1935. If the Morningside chapter of the study were to be rewritten to encompass everything up to the 1960's, a case could be made for an entire district designation of the Morningside neighborhood, however, as it stands, the historically significant properties that could meet the landmark criteria are those built during the streetcar era from 1905 -1935. Mr. Vogel pointed out that a less commonly used heritage preservation tool is a Conservancy District, which is viewed as not necessarily an historic district, but subject to defined regulations. In an area such as this, the intent is to selectively apply regulations on a case-by-case, property -by -property basis, however; typically heritage preservation doesn't work very well because decisions can be deemed as arbitrary or capricious. Another program that is not specifically historic preservation, but definitely has its preservation merits is a neighborhood community -building group. Such groups are not directed by the city and as such are not regulatory, however they would encourage beautification, education and perhaps offering a list of resources for residents. These neighborhood groups would not necessarily fall within the guidance of the Heritage Preservation Board. The city would need to determine which department could best assist neighborhoods in this capacity, however, ideally such a program could also work without any city oversight, much like the National Register program, which has no regulatory process. One needs to keep in mind that the area that is considered the Morningside district is an enormous piece of urban territory from a zoning standpoint. It is easy to see that Morningside is a culturally significant area, however unlike the Country Club District, which is a very homogeneous historic area, Morningside is very heterogeneous which makes it next to impossible to establish standards and guidelines to encompass the entire area. Discussion ensued regarding the best way to deal with historic neighborhoods. Consultant Vogel pointed out that in order for Morningside to receive landmark designation, he would recommend revising both the "Morningside" chapter of the "Historic Context Study" as well as the Heritage Landmark section of the Zoning Ordinance. Planner Repya suggested that the Board not consider rewriting codes and policies to meet the needs of one specific area. If Morningside does not meet the criteria for landmark designation as specified by city code, to change the code could establish an undesirable precedence when addressing other areas of the city. Responding to a question as to how the City of Minneapolis deals with their historic districts, Mr. Vogel explained that he is not aware of any residential historic districts in Minneapolis. Due to the vast number of homes and the age of the housing stock, it would be virtually impossible to administer a program encompassing significant residential districts. Chairman Nyberg observed that it appears the greatest area of concern expressed in Morningside appears with the tear down of homes and rebuilding on the lots. Board members agreed, pointing out that the tear down/ rebuild trend is of concern throughout the city. Member Swenson pointed out that tear downs and new construction are not always negatives; this trend also keeps the housing stock desirable and maintains the vitality of a 1St tier suburb. Mr. Nyberg agreed, however stated that the problem occurs when the new construction totally out -scales the surrounding homes. Consultant Vogel explained that when the heritage preservation section of the Zoning Ordinance was rewritten, the City Council intended to provide protection from those elements that kill historic sites. Member Kojetin stated that when he looks at Morningside, he sees it as unique being that it was at one time, its own village. Mr. Vogel pointed out that the history of an area can be recognized, however it isn't anything that can be preserved or regulated. Chairman Nyberg opined that the fact that Morningside was at one time a village, separate from Edina makes it a unique and more pure neighborhood. In contrast, where the Country Club neighborhood was planned, Morningside evolved. Member Thorpe observed that prior to making a decision regarding the landmark designation of districts in the city, she would like Mr. Vogel to provide the Board with information regarding the ramifications of large district designations, and perhaps some history of other communities that have dealt with similar situations. Mr. Vogel agreed that he would research district designations and provide the Board with his findings at the regularly scheduled August meeting. Discussion ensued regarding the intentions for a district designation. Chairman Vogel then asked the representatives from the Morningside Neighborhood Association if they had anything they would like to add to the discussion. Joni Bennett, 4003 Lynn Avenue asked the Board if they would look at two examples of the tear down / rebuild phenomenon that have recently occurred in Morningside; a good example on Littel Street and a poor example on W. 45th Street, which she indicated is disrespectful of the neighborhood. Mrs. Bennett added that regarding the concept of what is historically significant about Morningside, she sees the "historic village" much more significant than the "street car community". Responding to Mrs. Bennett, Mr. Vogel pointed out that the reason Morningside evolved as it did was tied directly to the street car — that was the driving force for creating the community and over time, the village. Chairman Nyberg thanked the members of the Morningside Neighborhood Association for their input and indicated that he looked forward to receiving Mr. Vogel's findings in August. No formal action was taken. lII. OTHER BUSINESS A. H-04-5 4506 Arden Avenue — Move existing detached garage Certificate of Appropriateness Administratively Approved Planner Repya explained that the subject property is an Italian Renaissance Revival home built in 1926. The homeowner is proposing to move the existing 2 -car garage from the north side of the lot to the southwest corner. The garage currently sits four feet from the north lot line and 19 feet from the rear lot line. By moving the garage to the southwest corner, 3.5 feet from the side and rear lot lines, the homeowner will have better use of the back yard area. The builder has indicated that the homeowner is not proposing an addition to the home, but feels that the new location for the garage will improve the livability of the rear yard and enhance the property value. Planner Repya reminded the Board that a similar garage move request was administratively approved in April, 2004 for the northerly adjacent neighbor (4508 Arden Avenue, H-04-01). Ms. Repya then informed the Board that on June 7, 2004 staff issued a Certificate of Appropriateness for 4506 Arden Avenue to move the garage from the north side of the rear yard to the southwest corner. The Board thanked Ms. Repya for keeping them advised of the administrative action and agreed that it was appropriate. No formal action was taken. VI. NEXT MEETING DATE: July 13, 2004 VII. ADJOURNMENT: 8:05 p.m. Respectfully submitted, Joyce Repya, Associate Planner AGENDA REGULAR MEETING OF THE EDINA HERITAGE PRESERVATION BOARD TUESDAY, JULY 13, 2004, AT 7:00 P.M. EDINA CITY HALL MAYOR'S CONFERENCE ROOM I. APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES: JUNE 8, 2004 IL CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS: COUNTRY CLUB DISTRICT A. H-04-6: 4600 Sunnyside Road — Remove detached garage & build a new Detached garage B. H-04-7: 4526 Drexel Avenue — Remove attached garage & build new detached garage C. H-04-8: 4620 Drexel Avenue — Remove detached garage & incorporate new attached garage with addition to home D. H-04-9: Highway 100 from Minnehaha Creek, north to W. 44th St. — Construct a sound wall III. MORNINGSIDE SURVEY IV. OTHER BUSINESS: V. NEXT MEETING DATE: August 10, 2004 VI. ADJOURNMENT: MINUTES OF THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE EDINA HERITAGE PRESERVATION BOARD TUESDAY, JULY 13, 2004, AT 7:00 P.M. EDINA CITY HALL MAYOR'S CONFERENCE ROOM 4801 WEST 50TH STREET MEMBERS PRESENT: Peggy Jennings, Vice Chair. Bob Kojetin, Herman Ratelle, Ann Swenson, Marie Thorpe and Don Wray MEMBERS ABSENT: Gary Nyberg and Bill Crawford STAFF PRESENT: Joyce Repya, Associate Planner OTHERS PRESENT: - Robert Vogel, Preservation Planning Consultant - Lisa Miller, 4600 Sunnyside Road - Dan Kreiter, Matthias K. Builders - James Cradit, Architect for - Anne Whitman, 4620 Drexel Avenue - Joni Bennett, 4003 Lynn Avenue - Mary Carte, 4208 Branson Road I. APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES: Member Swenson moved for approval from the June 8, 2004 meeting. Member Jennings seconded the motion. All voted aye. The motion carried. II. CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS: COUNTRY CLUB DISTRICT A. H-04-6 4600 Sunnyside Road Remove detached garage and build a new one Planner Repya explained that the subject property is a 1931 English Cottage style home located on the north side of Sunnyside Road west of Browndale Avenue. The homeowner is proposing to tear down an existing, simple frame, detached 2 -car garage. Although the house is a pure English Cottage style, which could qualify for landmark status on its own merit, the garage appears to be more contemporary than the house, contributing slightly to the historic character of the property, but is not architecturally significant in its own right. The proposed new garage is a 3 -car detached structure measuring roughly 24'X 33", or 770 square feet in area. A building height of 23 feet to the highest peak and 15.5 feet to the midpoint of the gable is demonstrated on the plan. Furthermore, a 9/12 -roof pitch is proposed. Regarding placement of the structure, the new garage is shown to be approximately 20 feet further back on the lot than the existing garage, but still approximately 30 feet from the rear lot line. A setback of 3 feet is provided from the side lot line, which is within the code requirements. Adjacent elevations of neighboring structures were not provided with the application because the homeowner indicated that there are no structures adjacent to the proposed garage. An air photo of the property was provided to illustrate the subject property relative to the abutting properties. Ms. Repya pointed out that the Country Club District Plan of Treatment recognizes garages as a form of new construction requiring a Certificate of Appropriateness, but has no specific guidelines for the design of detached garages. According to the Secretary of the Interior's Standards for the treatment of historic properties, new construction is an appropriate undertaking in an historic district when it is compatible in size, scale, materials, color and texture with other buildings in the neighborhood. Robert Vogel, the Board's Heritage Preservation Consultant inspected the property from the street and indicated that the plans submitted for the new detached garage show a much larger and ornate, eclectic, Tudor -influenced structure; although it lacks historical precedents in size, scale, mass proportions and materials, the new design should not have an adverse effect on other historic homes in the district, including the adjacent properties. Based on the drawings submitted with the application, information provided by the applicant and the comments from Robert Vogel, Planner Repya concluded that the proposed garage should not detract from the historic character of the property and adjacent historic homes. Approval was recommended for the request to demolish the existing detached garage and replace it with a new detached garage, subject to the plans presented. Member Swenson asked why all three applications for Certificates of Appropriateness were accepted without the required elevation drawing of adjacent structures. Planner Repya explained that all of requests for consideration were submitted on the deadline date, while she was on vacation. Normally, the applications would be considered incomplete until all the required information was provided. Mrs. Swenson stated that she was inclined to table the items until the next meeting awaiting the elevations of adjacent structures, but would not. She did ask Ms. Repya to convey to members of the Planning staff that until all the required information is provided, an application will not be accepted. Regarding the subject request, Member Swenson asked if it was appropriate for the front facade of the garage to be stucco and stone, like the dwelling and the remaining three sides lap siding? Consultant Vogel explained that lap siding is 2 not inconsistent in the district, and is identified as one of the recommended applications in the plan of treatment. There are no hard and fast rules dictating that all four elevations of a structure consist of the same materials. Board members observed that it is not uncommon for the front facade of a structure to be more ornate than those elevations not visible from the front street. Member Jennings observed that the height of the garage is proposed to be 23 feet and asked how that compared to the height of the existing garage. Lisa Miller, the homeowner stated that she did not know the height of the existing garage. Robert Vogel pointed out that the existing garage is a simple single story structure that probably measures around 15 feet high. Mrs. Jennings opined that the proposed 3 -car garage will be about 8 feet taller and considerably larger than the existing garage, and wondered how the new structure would affect the adjacent properties. Consultant Vogel stated that the garages built in the 1930's do not compare to what is being built today. The trend is toward more of a "carriage house" with room for storage and at least two vehicles; that wasn't the case years ago. He added that while the proposed garage is larger and somewhat taller than what it is replacing, it is comparable to other requests for detached garages that have come before the Board. Member Swenson opined that she can appreciate the need for the size of the garage, however she questioned the design of the rear elevation; pointing out that she felt that the 33- foot wall of lap siding will be quite an imposition on the neighboring property and in need of some detail to break it up. Vice Chair Kojetin asked the property owner if she had any comments. Lisa Miller, 4600 Sunnyside Road explained that the existing garage is in terrible shape and they are attempting not only provide a better looking, more useful structure, but also, by moving it back on their property, lessen the impact of the structure on the neighboring properties. She added that in designing the garage, they have attempted to be consistent with their home as well as the neighborhood. Member Swenson stated she had no argument with the garage plan, pointing out that the front elevation is very attractive. She then asked Mrs. Miller if she would consider adding some detailing to the rear elevation to break-up the long flat surface. Mrs. Miller said she would be happy to work with the Board and asked for clarification of the requested added detailing. Mrs. Swenson explained that she did not want to require any specific design, however suggested the Miller's might work with their architect to pull in some elements from the front fagade on to the rear elevation. Member Wray then moved to approve the Certificate of Appropriateness to remove an existing detached garage and construct a new detached garage 3 subject to the plans presented and the condition that a revised rear elevation providing added detailing be submitted for approval by city staff. Member Kojetin seconded the motion. All voted aye. The motion carried. B. H-04-7 4526 Drexel Avenue Remove attached garage and build a new detached garage Planner Repya explained that the subject property is located on the northwest corner of Drexel Avenue and Bridge Street. The home, a 1935 English Cottage style with Norman Influence, has an attached garage that appears to be an addition to the original house. The proposed plan involves the conversion of the existing attached garage to living space and the construction of a new 2 -car garage in the rear yard. The changes to the home involve taking the existing 458 square foot attached garage and converting that to 377 square feet of living space; reducing the footprint of the home by 91 square feet. The proposed detached garage is shown to be set back four feet from the side and rear lot lines. The curb cut for the driveway will be moved west on the lot to accommodate the location of the new garage. The design of the proposed garage includes a lay -on dormer above the garage doors, 10/12 -roof pitch, slate shingles and stucco to match the house, as well as limestone veneer on the lower portion of the south elevation. The height of the structure is shown to be approximately 15 feet to the peak of the roof. Although no elevation drawings were provided for adjacent properties, the photographs provided with the application along with the proposed plans depict a project that is compatible with the size, scale, mass and proportions of the nearby historic buildings. Staff finds that with the exception of the elevation of adjacent structures, the application complies with the requirements of the Country Club District Plan of Treatment, thus would recommend approval of the request for a Certificate of Appropriateness to build a detached garage in the rear yard, subject to the plans presented. Member Swenson asked if a permit was required for the new driveway curb cut. Planner Repya explained that a permit would be required from the Engineering Department. She added that the permit should not be a problem because it is actually advantageous to move the driveway further west from the Drexel/Bridge Street intersection. Mr. Dan Kreiter, the builder representing the homeowner apologized to the Board for neglecting to include the elevation of adjacent properties with his submittal package. He pointed out all adjacent structures are at least 30 feet away from 9 the proposed garage, with the exception of a freestanding lawn gazebo in the rear yard of the property to the north, which is 20 feet away. Addressing the plan, Mr. Kreiter explained that it was important to the homeowner to pay close attention to the details of the plan to ensure that the overall aesthetic integrity of their home and the neighborhood were maintained. He added that the conversion of the attached garage to living space and the construction of the detached garage will enhance the property not only from the perspective of the subject home but from the neighborhood as well. Board members discussed the proposal, agreeing that the changes to the property would be an enhancement. Member Swenson then moved for approval of the request for a Certificate of Appropriateness to build a new detached garage. Member Jennings seconded the motion. All voted aye. The motion carried. H-04-8 4620 Drexel Avenue Remove a detached garage and incorporate a new attached garage with an addition to the home Planner Repya explained that the subject property is located on the west side of Drexel Avenue, six lots north of Country Club Road. The home is a 1925 English Cottage style structure with a 2 -car detached located in the rear yard. The garage sits roughly 19 feet from the rear lot line, 9 feet from the side lot line, and is accessed by a driveway running along the north property line. The subject garage to be removed lacks individual architectural distinction, and is not historically significant in its own right. A Certificate of Appropriateness is not required for the addition to the home, which includes the new attached garage, however because the project involves a major alteration of the existing home, it is relevant to see what is necessitating the demolition of the garage. Ms. Repya pointed out that in her absence, Consultant Vogel reviewed the proposed plan and determined that the attached garage is shown to be visually compatible with the proposed exterior remodeling, which is an embellished high - style Tudor Revival treatment. Mr. Vogel indicated that although not subject to a Certificate of Appropriateness, the addition and fagade detailing would be compatible with the size, scale, mass, proportions, color and materials of other Tudor -influenced homes in the district. Furthermore, the design does not destroy any significant historic architectural material and will not adversely affect the neighboring historic properties. Planner Repya found that, with the exception of not receiving exterior elevations of adjacent structures, the remainder of the materials submitted with the application package comply with the Country Club District Plan of Treatment; and the proposed plans meet the zoning ordinance regulations regarding lot coverage and setbacks, thus staff recommends approval of the request for a Certificate of Appropriateness to demolish the detached garage on the subject property and incorporate an attached garage with an addition to the home, subject to the plans presented. Member Swenson inquired about the setbacks of the new attached garage relative to the building height. Mr. James Cradit, architect for the homeowner explained that he has reviewed the proposed plan with Kris Aaker of the Planning Staff and feels sure that the setbacks fall within the Zoning Ordinance requirements. Board members discussed the plan, commenting that the attention to detail and the proposed hip- roof reduce the massing of the structure and enhance the design. Mr. Cradit and the homeowner, Anne Whitman were complimented for creating a plan that will add to the historic integrity of the subject property as well as the neighborhood. Member Ratelle then moved approval of the request for a Certificate Appropriateness subject to the plans presented. Member Swenson seconded the motion. All voted aye. The motion carried. D. H-04-9 Highway 100 Sound Wall from Minnehaha Creek north to W. 44th Street Planner Repya explained that a sound wall is proposed for the east and west sides of Highway 100. The wall proposed for the east side is subject to Heritage Preservation Board review and the issuance of a Certificate of Appropriateness because it will abut the westerly boundary of the Edina Heritage Landmark designated Country Club District. The subject wall will extend from Minnehaha Creek north to the north side of West 44th Street. The wall over the bridges for Minnehaha Creek and W. 44th Street is proposed to be 10 feet high. The portion of the wall abutting the neighborhood is proposed to be 20 feet high. The City Council approved this project at their June 1, 2004 meeting. Board members received the project information from the Engineering Department as well as a copy of the June 1St City Council minutes. In addition to the Certificate of Appropriateness requested from the Heritage Preservation Board, the project is also being presented to the Minnesota State Historical Society for their review. In a memorandum to the Heritage Preservation Board, City Engineer, Wayne Houle explained that although the wall will have a visual impact on the historic neighborhood, the benefits of providing a barrier from the noise and air pollution of the highway will actually enhance the historic integrity of the district. n Consultant Vogel, providing his reflections on the proposed sound wall, explained that the Secretary of the Interior's standards for historic preservation projects and the Country Club District Plan of Treatment are the required basis for Certificate of Appropriateness decisions. While neither document provides specific guidance with respect to the visual impacts of large public works construction projects, the general standard is to avoid destruction of the distinguishing original qualities of a historic property or its environment. Mr. Vogel explained that in his opinion, the proposed sound wall is an appropriate undertaking in the Country Club District. The wall will be a large structure and it will be visible from the historic homes in the district, but no significant historic properties will be destroyed or damaged by the construction. The wall will also serve as a buffer against air and noise pollution from the highway, which adversely affect the historic character of homes in the district. Mr. Vogel advised the Board that in approving the Certificate of Appropriateness, they should bear in mind that highway sounds walls are engineered primarily to fit with the environment and architectural elements of the highway system, therefore noise wall aesthetics tend to emphasize a consistent visual appearance from the perspective of the motorists. He opined that it would be possible to mitigate the visual effects of the sound wall on nearby historic homes by using vegetation to soften and screen the surfaces visible from within the historic district. He added that the Board might wish to make the Certificate of Appropriateness conditional upon the development of a sound wall aesthetics plan for the district. Mr. Vogel also provided the Board with a handout entitled "Noise Walls" that provided some suggested aesthetic design recommendations. Board members discussed the impact the proposed wall might have from the neighborhood perspective. Concern was expressed that the wall may be quite imposing and look very different in realty than on a piece of paper. The question was raised whether the City had any control over the design of the wall. Mr. Vogel explained that the walls are limited to specifications from the State Highway Department from which there is virtually no deviation. Member Thorpe observed that she knows several property owners directly affected by the proposed wall, and they have worked for years to mitigate the impact of the highway on their properties. Member Jennings agreed with Mrs. Thorpe, pointing out that she knows some affected people who haven't used their back yards for years. Member Ratelle observed that he did not feel comfortable acting on the request until Member Crawford, a retired State Highway Department Engineer weighed in on the discussion. 7 Member Swenson stated that she would like to receive more information about the impact of the wall from the neighborhood perspective; pointing out that the project information focused on the wall from the highway perspective. Board members agreed with Mrs. Swenson. Member Ratelle then moved to table the request for a Certificate of Appropriateness to construct a sound wall along Highway 100 abutting the westerly boundary of the historic Country Club District until the next meeting of the Board on August 10, 2004, at which time, Member Crawford can provide his expertise and questions regarding the impact on the neighborhood can be answered. Member Swenson seconded the motion. All voted aye. The motion carried. Members then brainstormed over the questions they would like addressed at the August meeting, and came up with the following list: 1. HPB would like to see an elevation of the sound wall from the neighborhood perspective, indicating scale and proportion relative to the houses. They would also like to see a creek side of the wall over the bridge. 2. Is there precedence for a sound wall over the creek? If so, what does the wall look like from the creek side? 3. Did the Minnehaha Creek Watershed District have input on the project? 4. Is it possible to enhance the design of the wall on the neighborhood side? 5. Is there a process to ensure that some type of vegetation is included on the neighborhood side? III. MORINGSIDE SURVEY: Planner Repya advised the Board that of the 720 properties in the Morningside neighborhood, subtracting the duplicate owners and City parcels, 681 surveys were mailed to the property owners identified by Hennepin County's Assessing records. Taking into account surveys returned to the City as undeliverable, 675 surveys were delivered. Although the deadline for return of the surveys was June 18th, staff continued to tabulate results until July 8th when 290 surveys had been returned for a return rate of 43%. Ms. Repya observed that the return rate was very good, however, not unexpected. Edina is notorious for receiving excellent input from the residents, be it for a survey, or during an election. Several years ago, when the Heritage Preservation Board surveyed the Country Club neighborhood, the response rate was 58%, again and excellent turnout. Referring to the survey results (attached to these minutes), Planner Repya found it interesting that the favorable response rate for the historic preservation of the neighborhood and City involvement with the process is almost identical with the responses received in the Country Club survey. She added that due to the considerable concern expressed by neighborhoods throughout the city regarding the tear down of homes and new construction, one might see a similar response if the survey were conducted citywide. Ms. Repya pointed out that many respondents included comments with their surveys, which were very interesting. The majority requested that the eclectic, small town charm of the neighborhood be preserved. Many commented that the 44th / France commercial area should not change; some wanted a 50 & France feeling and others wanted to see an Excelsior & Grand (St. Louis Park) development with multi -family housing interspersed with commercial. Ms. Repya concluded that no action was required regarding the survey; asking the Board to take the results into consideration when the topic of historic designations is discussed at the next meeting on August 10th Vice Chairman, Kojetin asked the two members of the Morningside Neighborhood Association, Joni Kelly and Mary Carte if they had anything they would like to say. Mary Carte explained that a group from Morningside, including the Morningside Neighborhood Association, attended the July 6th City Council meeting to express their concerns about the 44th and France Redevelopment Plan. In preparation for that meeting, a group from the neighborhood association came to City Hall and tabulated the survey results for themselves. As part of their tabulations, Mrs. Carte explained that they categorized the comments relative to the 44th and France commercial area and determined that 6% of those commenting suggested changes to the area, the majority wanting it to remain the same. Mrs. Carte completed her recitation of the group's results and then provided Planner Repya with a copy to add to the file. Mr. Kojetin asked Mrs. Kelly and Mrs. Carte if they thought the survey was valuable. Mrs. Kelly stated that most people value the historic character of the neighborhood and are concerned with preserving that. She added that the people she has spoken with were grateful to have the opportunity to express themselves, and added that the process is new for many who still have quite a few questions about the implications and processes. Sharing his insights about the survey, Consultant Vogel stated that the results interestingly mirrored those of the Country Club District survey, and those mirrored the Gallup polls. None of these neighborhoods are that different from other neighborhoods in the United States. Three-fourths of people who live in older neighborhoods think they shouldn't change. Studies find that the areas most opposed to historic zoning are the commercial districts. 9 Mr. Vogel pointed out that the remarkable thing about the Morningside Survey and what makes it different from other surveys he has studied are the vast number of comments received from the respondents. This survey could be looked at as a miniature public hearing. It can be a useful tool when creating a work plan to address concerns of the constituents. Board members agreed that they look forward to the work session at the August meeting when Mr. Vogel will present his study on the ramifications and implications of historic zoning, particularly as it applies to the Morningside neighborhood. No formal action was taken. IV. OTHER BUSINESS: None V. NEXT MEETING DATE: August 10, 2004 VI. ADJOURNMENT: 8:40 p.m. Respectfully submitted, Joyce Repya, Associate Planner 10 AGENDA REGULAR MEETING OF THE EDINA HERITAGE PRESERVATION BOARD TUESDAY, AUGUST 10, 2004, AT 7:00 P.M. EDINA CITY HALL MAYOR'S CONFERENCE ROOM I. APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES: JULY 13, 2004 II. CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS: H-04-9: Highway 100 from Minnehaha Creek, north to W. 44' St. — Construct a sound wall III. LANDMARK DESIGNATION BRIEFING: IV. OTHER BUSINESS: V. NEXT MEETING DATE: MONDAY, September 13, 2004 VI. ADJOURNMENT: MINUTES OF THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE EDINA HERITAGE PRESERVATION BOARD TUESDAY, AUGUST 10, 2004, AT 7:00 P.M. EDINA CITY HALL MAYOR'S CONFERENCE ROOM 4801 WEST 50TH STREET MEMBERS PRESENT: Chairman Gary Nyberg, Bill Crawford, Peggy Jennings, Bob Kojetin, Ann Swenson, Marie Thorpe and Don Wray MEMBERS ABSENT: Herman Ratelle STAFF PRESENT: Joyce Repya, Associate Planner OTHERS PRESENT: - Wayne Houle, City Engineer - Robert Vogel, Preservation Planning Consultant - Joni Bennett, 4003 Lynn Avenue - Mary Carte, 4208 Branson Road - Lisa Fagen, 4164 w. 44th Street I. APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES: Member Kojetin moved for approval from the July 13, 2004 meeting. Member Swenson seconded the motion. All voted aye. The motion carried. Member Swenson then complimented Ms. Repya on the tabulation of comments for the Morningside Survey, which were included with the minutes. II. CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS: COUNTRY CLUB DISTRICT H-04-9 Highway 100 Sound Wall from Minnehaha Creek north to W. 44th Street Planner Repya reminded the Board that this item was continued from the July 13th meeting to afford City Staff an opportunity to provide information regarding the impact of the sound wall from the neighborhood and creek side perspectives. City Engineer, Wayne Houle offered background information regarding the proposed project, pointing out that the Minnesota Department of Transportation (MNDOT) has a ranking for sound walls they will fund. Typically, Edina does not rank high enough to qualify for state funding. However, in light of the fact that Minutes — August 10, 2004 Edina Heritage Preservation Board the subject wall is the continuation of a wall built to the north in St. Louis Park, MNDOT has agreed to pay 25% of the engineering, construction and administrative fees. The abutting properties, east to Browndale Avenue have agreed to an assessment on a 4 -tier payment scale providing the remainder of the funds. Engineer Houle explained that MNDOT has designed the 10 -foot wall over the creek to have no concrete piers, but wood posts on the creek side, which will be secured directly to the jersey barriers. He also pointed out that the difference between the 20 -foot wall adjacent to the homes and the 10 -foot wall over bridges would be a gradual drop. The wall is designed to look identical to the existing wall to the north providing visual continuity along the roadway. No vegetation has been budgeted for aesthetics because there is currently a great deal of existing vegetation. Furthermore, if vegetation had been included in the plan, it would have increased the assessment to the property owners. Member Jennings observed that most of the existing vegetation appeared to be deciduous which would not provide cover during the winter months. Engineer Houle responded that once the wall was constructed he could explore appropriate vegetation with the City's horticulturist. He added that the homeowners might have individual plans for how they would like to address the aesthetics of the wall Chairman Nyberg observed that he felt the design of the wall over the creek was in need of something more creative. Engineer Houle indicated that he could ask MNDOT if they could provide a more aesthetically pleasing design, however, his experience has been that MNDOT usually doesn't deviate from the proposed plan. He added that the additional cost of a more aesthetically pleasing design would probably have to be absorbed by the assessed residents. Consultant Vogel remarked that from a heritage preservation standpoint, the Secretary of the Interior's standards don't address noise or pollution, thus there is really no historic precedence for the installation of a sound wall abutting the historic district. He pointed out that the Board should consider the compatibility and ambiance when addressing this issue. Furthermore, he observed that the sound wall is no more intrusive on the district than other 21St century phenomenon. The Board needs to determine if the sound wall constructed on the west boundary of the historic district would be appropriate. Mr. Vogel added that considering the benefits that will be derived — reduced noise, air and visual pollution, in his opinion, the proposed wall is justifiable. Member Swenson then moved to approve the Certificate of Appropriateness to construct a sound wall along the west boundary of the Country Club District from i•: Minutes — August 10, 2004 Edina Heritage Preservation Board Minnehaha Creek to West 44th Street subject to the plans presented and the caveat that Engineer Houle work with MNDOT to provide a more aesthetically pleasing view of the wall over the creek, from the creek side. Member Crawford seconded the motion. All voted aye. The motion carried. III. LANDMARK DESIGNATION BRIEFING: Consultant Vogel walked through the City's Heritage Preservation section of the Zoning Ordinance No. 850.20, pointing out that there are five functions the Board is responsible for: 1. Planning 2. Identification 3. Evaluation 4. Registration, and 5. Treatment He added that it is the responsibility of the Heritage Preservation Board to determine what properties are eligible for nomination as heritage landmarks. The Zoning Ordinance specifies four criteria for landmark eligibility, those being: 1. Association with an important event 2. Association with lives of historically significant persons. 3. Embodiment of distinctive architecture, or 4. Important archeological data The Zoning Ordinance also sets out the processes for evaluating how a proposed property meets the eligibility criteria. Of utmost importance when determining eligibility of a prospective historic site is the portion of the code addressing the integrity or authenticity of a site - one must be able to see or experience the historical significance of a site. The Heritage Preservation section of the Comprehensive Plan is an excellent place to set out the policies and goals and objectives for implementing the heritage landmark program as set out in the Zoning Ordinance. Consultant Vogel added that the Historic Context Study his firm completed in 1998 is another tool available to provide direction as to the historically significant areas within the City where the energies of the Board can be directed. Again addressing the Heritage Preservation section of the Zoning Ordinance, Mr. Vogel pointed out that Edina's code is designed to protect historically significant resources, focusing on those things that kill historic sites. To date, a comprehensive risk assessment of how many potentially threatened historic properties exist in Edina has not been done. Furthermore, the Board needs to determine the capacity for designations from both the staff/budget perspective as well as from the perspective of what is manageable for the Board. Mr. Vogel recalled that in 1998, when the Historic Context Study was created, the Board identified 1 historic district (the Country Club District) and 25 individual properties as being manageable given the amount of resources the Council was willing to direct toward preservation. 3 Minutes — August 10, 2004 Edina Heritage Preservation Board Consultant Vogel then offered the following suggested policy statements, most of which the Board either already implements or has discussed in the past: In determining whether or not a particular building, site or district is eligible for Heritage Landmark designation, its age or date of construction will not be the primary factor in evaluating its significance or preservation value. 2. The HPB shall issue a Determination of Eligibility for any property that it determines eligible for nomination as an Edina Heritage Landmark. 3. Heritage Landmark zoning applies to the whole property (tax parcel), though the designation documents should clearly extinguish between historic and non -historic features, and between historically significant and non-significant aspects of a property. 4. Buildings (including historically and functionally related units, such as a house and garage) are eligible for designation as Edina Heritage Landmarks when they include all of their basic structural elements. Parts of buildings, such as interiors, facades, or outbuildings, cannot be considered eligible for landmark designation independent from the rest of the existing building. 5. An Edina Heritage Landmark District is an area deriving its significance from being a unified entity; even though it may be composed of a wide variety of buildings representing different styles and periods of architecture. The identity of the district results from the interrelationship of its resources, which must convey a strong visual sense of the overall historic environment. A district must a significant for its historical, architectural, or cultural values as well as an identifiable entity. It may be considered eligible for Heritage Landmark designation if the majority of the buildings lack individual distinction, but the majority of the buildings must contribute to the district's character and retain essential aspects of their historic integrity. 6. In allocating staff resources, properties designated or determined eligible for Heritage Landmark designation shall have priority over all other properties. Discussion ensued among the Board members regarding the proposed policy statements. Member Swenson asked what the Board should focus on first, the need for an historical comprehensive plan, or a determination of the capacity for designations. Mr. Vogel indicated that both tasks could be undertaken at the L, Minutes — August 10, 2004 Edina Heritage Preservation Board same time. Mrs. Swenson disagreed with Mr. Vogel pointing out her belief that the capacity of the work load for the Board and Staff should be determined first, after which the comprehensive plan could be drafted taking into consideration the capacity deemed manageable. Mr. Vogel appreciated Mrs. Swenson's concerns, but pointed out that much of the work for the Comprehensive Heritage Plan has already been completed. Since there are currently no threats to historic resources, which would take up much of the Board's time, it is realistic to complete the Comprehensive Heritage Plan at the same time we're working on other projects. Member Swenson observed that depending upon the items that come before the Board, there are times when some of the projects identified in the yearly work plan need to be set aside — for example, the Morningside Survey and Certificate of Appropriateness reviews in the Country Club District have taken precedence over projects that have been identified. The Board attempts to be proactive, but often is forced to act in a reactionary mode. To identify and control the capacity of the Board would be helpful to allow for proactive heritage preservation planning. Member Thorpe agreed with Mrs. Swenson stressing the need for a Comprehensive Heritage Plan that will provide the guidance necessary for consistent decisions. Addressing the schedule of the proposed work, Planner Repya suggested that the Board begin by reviewing the proposed policy statements, which will make up part of the Comprehensive Heritage Plan along with the goals and objectives. Discussion ensued regarding the Comprehensive Heritage Plan. Planner Repya offered to provide the Board with a copy of the existing Heritage Preservation section of the Comprehensive Plan. The Board agreed to review the six policies proposed by Consultant Vogel, and be prepared to consider them at the September meeting. From there, consideration of goals and objectives will follow. Mary Carte, 4208 Branson Road observed that although the Morningside study was not on the agenda, she wondered what the next steps would be now that the survey has been completed, and how the neighborhood group can be involved. She pointed out that the neighborhood is anxious to proceed with landmark designation of the district and offered assistance to the Board by providing a list of properties threatened by teardowns that are currently taking place. Chairman Nyberg pointed out that the Board would not review a teardown unless the property was designated as historic. Elaborating on what would be considered "historic", Consultant Vogel explained that the property would have to 5 Minutes — August 10, 2004 Edina Heritage Preservation Board be one of the 10 properties identified in May 2004 as "Determined to be Eligible for Landmark Designation". Member Swenson explained that part of the challenge facing the Board at this time is that the list of eligible properties probably does not include all those that could qualify. If the Board focuses all its energy on Morningside, the heritage preservation needs of the entire city will be put on hold. The Board feels it is important to get policies down and expand the list of eligible properties (to include those already identified in Morningside). Responding to Ms. Carte's question as to how the neighborhood can get involved, Consultant Vogel suggested that they do what neighborhood groups do best — get to know your neighborhood and educate your neighbors about what is special in Morningside. Member Kojetin asked what the next step would be relative to Morningside. Mr. Vogel explained that the Board needs to prioritize properties determined eligible after which he will prepare the registration documents. The 2004 work plan identified the designation of the Edina Mill Site and The Edina Theater. If the Board determined that specific properties in Morningside, or for that matter, the entire Morningside district should be designated, that task would be placed on the 2005 work plan. Joni Bennett, 4003 Lynn Avenue asked why the Morningside study was started when so much policy making still needs to be done. She also questioned whether the policies being fashioned are to support of decisions already made, specifically regarding the Morningside neighborhood. She then reiterated her belief that, taking into consideration the criteria for landmark designations outlined in the City Code, the Morningside District does qualify for landmark designation. Consultant Vogel explained that the reason the Morningside study was undertaken is because it was identified as the next step of work proposed in the Historic Context Study, right after the Country Club District. In time the other identified contexts — Southdale, Country Clubs and Parks and Minnehaha Creek will also be studied. Member Swenson, addressing Mrs. Kelly's concern that policy is being created to support a preconceived notion regarding Morningside, explained that the study of Morningside was undertaken because the Board needed to know what the neighborhood encompassed, and what kind of plan would be realistic; taking into consideration what the Heritage Preservation Board does, is capable of doing or might do in the future. 9 Minutes — August 10, 2004 Edina Heritage Preservation Board Mrs. Kelly stressed her concern that Morningside is currently being threatened by the tear/down of homes with new construction deteriorating the character of the neighborhood. Landmark designation of the district she opined, would protect that character. Member Swenson pointed out that taking into consideration what has been learned about the Morningside District, when one considers the amount of work entailed with managing the Country Club District designation from both the Staff and Board perspective, in order too manage the Morningside district (which is larger than the Country Club District), the City would have to be willing to at least hire two new staff persons and increase the Heritage Preservation Board to accommodate twice monthly meetings. She added that in these days of budget cuts, that would not be a likely scenario. Mr. Vogel pointed out, as he has in the past, that the landmark designation of properties is not a speedy process - much research and study must take place to support a determination of eligibility. The 550 individual property surveys of the Country Club District undertaken in 1980 took well over a year to complete, and cost thousands of dollars. Because that work was already done, and little change had taken place, another survey was not required for the 2002 district designation. However, if a district designation of Morningside were to be considered, individual surveys of all 720 properties would have to be undertaken, entailing considerable cost. Responding to a question from the Board regarding his recommendations for Morningside, Consultant Vogel explained that taking into consideration the results of the Morningside study, he would recommend landmark designation of the 8 bungalow properties on West 44th Street as a district designation and the individual designation of the 8 properties identified as eligible at the May 2004 meeting. Those properties are clearly significant and meet the ordinance criteria for landmark designation. Mr. Vogel further explained that for an area to qualify for designation as a heritage landmark district, the district must have an historic identity that can be articulated or seen in order to craft a plan of treatment. To say that it was a distinct residential neighborhood, platted in 1906 and became a separate political entity from 1920 until the 1966 — that's the basic concept for the Morningside district. When determining landmark designation, one must ask how to preserve the historic concept. He added that he does not think that the Morningside neighborhood qualifies for a district landmark designation. Mrs. Kelly disagreed with Mr. Vogel pointing out her opinion that the Morningside district was worthy of preservation consideration because of its history, archaeology, architecture and culture. Mr. Vogel responded that it is his responsibility to advise the City of practical matters of policy. The preservation worthy attributes Mrs. Kelly cited for the Morningside neighborhood could be 7 Minutes — August 10, 2004 Edina Heritage Preservation Board found throughout Edina. Everyplace has identity and history — some of it is longer than others. That is why properties are not designated wholly on the basis of their historical association. Chairman Nyberg observed that Morningside is unique, however, it appears the neighborhood is most concerned about landmark designation as a means of protection from the teardown and rebuilding activity taking place. Because this teardown phenomenon is not unique to Morningside, and since Mr. Vogel is not recommending a district designation, perhaps there is another means to address teardowns in the City. Following a discussion regarding the potential work and the costs related to addressing the Morningside neighborhood, Member Swenson moved that the Board meet with the City Council to discuss realistic expectations regarding the workload for the Board. Member Kojetin seconded the motion. All voted aye. The motion carried. V. NEXT MEETING DATE: September 13, 2004 VI. ADJOURNMENT: 9:50 p.m. Respectfully submitted, oyce Repya, Associate Planner 51 AGENDA REGULAR MEETING OF THE EDINA HERITAGE PRESERVATION BOARD MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 13, 2004, AT 7:00 P.M. EDINA CITY HALL MAYOR'S CONFERENCE ROOM I. APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES: August 10, 2004 II. CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS: H-04-10: 4619 Drexel Avenue — Convert an attached garage to living space & build a new detached garage III. COMPREHENSIVE HISTORIC PRESERVATION PLAN: Establish Goals IV. OTHER BUSINESS: V. NEXT MEETING DATE: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 — ARNESON ACRES VI. ADJOURNMENT: MINUTES OF THE RESCHEDULED MEETING OF THE EDINA HERITAGE PRESERVATION BOARD MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 13, 2004, AT 7:00 P.M. EDINA CITY HALL MAYOR'S CONFERENCE ROOM 4801 WEST 50"' STREET MEMBERS PRESENT: Chairman Gary Nyberg, Bill Crawford, Peggy Jennings, Bob Kojetin, Herman Ratelle, Ann Swenson, Marie Thorpe and Don Wray MEMBERS ABSENT: Don Wray STAFF PRESENT: Joyce Repya, Associate Planner OTHERS PRESENT: - Robert Vogel, Preservation Planning Consultant - Heather Dexheimer, 4619 Drexel Avenue - David Root, M. A. Peterson Designbuild, Inc. - Joni Bennett, 4003 Lynn Avenue I. APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES: Member Swenson moved for approval from the August 10, 2004 meeting. Member Thorpe seconded the motion. All voted aye. The motion carried. II. CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS: COUNTRY CLUB DISTRICT H-04-10 4619 Drexel Avenue Convert existing attached garage to living space and build a new detached garage Planner Repya advised the Board that the subject property is located on the east side of the 4600 block of Drexel Avenue. The existing home is a 1929 English Cottage style with Norman influence. A 2 -car attached garage is located in the northeast corner of the house, accessed by a driveway running along the south property line. The request for a Certificate of Appropriateness involves converting the existing attached garage to two -stories of living space and building a new detached garage in the southeast corner of the rear yard. A new curb cut is not required since the existing driveway will provide access to the proposed garage. Minutes — September 13, 2004 Edina Heritage Preservation Board Ms. Repya pointed out that the new detached garage is proposed to compliment the English Cottage architectural style of the home, incorporating stucco walls with trim board and a shake roof to match the house. The height of the proposed garage is shown to be 19.87 feet at the highest peak and 10 feet to the eave line. The closest adjacent structure, the home to the south is shown to be 12.58 feet from the proposed garage and measures 21 feet to the eave line and another 10 feet to the highest point of the roof. A proposed five-foot side yard setback is shown from the south property line, exceeding the three feet required for a detached structure in the rear yard. The plans provided with the subject request clearly illustrate the scale and scope of the project relative to the principle home as well as the home to the south. The Edina Zoning Ordinance requires a minimum 2 -car garage in the R-1 zoning district. The proposed 22'x 22', detached garage allows for conversion of the attached garage to living space and an addition that will add another 98 square feet to the home. Currently the footprint of the home equals 21.4% lot coverage; a maximum of 30% lot coverage is allowed. The proposed plan illustrates new lot coverage of 29.3%. No variances from the Zoning Ordinance will be required for the proposed plan. In closing, Planner Repya stated that the information provided supporting the subject request meets the requirements of the Zoning Ordinance and the Country Club District Plan of Treatment. Furthermore, the plans indicate that the exterior materials of the new garage will compliment the existing home, and the new structure will meet the setback, height and lot coverage requirements. Thus, approval of the request to build a new detached garage is recommended subject to the plans presented. Board members briefly discussed the proposed plan. Member Swenson complimented M.A. Peterson for providing plans that clearly illustrated the height and massing of the new garage relative to the existing home and adjacent properties. She then moved approval of the request to convert the attached garage to living space and construct a new detached 2 -car garage in the rear yard subject to the plans presented. Member Crawford seconded the motion. All voted aye. The motion carried. Ill. COMPREHENSIVE HISTORIC PRESERVATION PLAN: Establish Goals Consultant Vogel explained that the purpose of a comprehensive historic preservation plan is to help City decision makers (the HPB, Planning Commission, administrative staff and City Council) plan for the wise use of the City's significant heritage resources. Comprehensive plans are useful because they provide a basis for making sound, although not always easy or popular, 2 r Minutes — September 13, 2004 Edina Heritage Preservation Board decisions; they can also lead to increased understanding and awareness of the need for a city heritage preservation program among city officials. Perhaps even more importantly, a plan that is truly comprehensive in scope will provide an efficient means of evaluating the performance of the City's heritage preservation program. Mr. Vogel pointed out that a good place to start the comprehensive planning process is to look at the historic preservation standards already adopted by the City as part of the heritage preservation chapter of the City Code and see how they have been translated into policies, procedures and strategies. Mr. Vogel observed that preservation professionals commonly separate historic preservation into five program areas: preservation planning, identification (surveys), evaluation, registration and treatment. Sometimes a sixth area, public education is added. Mr. Vogel provided the Board with a listing of the Secretary of the Interior Standards for Archeology and Historic Preservation used to guide the national historic preservation program. Because Edina is a Certified Local Government, these same standards have been adopted and implemented as part of the Edina Heritage Landmarks program. In addition to the listing of the standards, Mr. Vogel included Edina's current state of implementation for each standard. Board members discussed the Secretary of the Interior's Standards and agreed that it was a good exercise to see the standards relative to the City's preservation program. Mr. Vogel then suggested that as the Board begins working on the Comprehensive Historic Preservation Plan that they consider using the following Secretary of the Interior's Standards as the goals for the plan: I. Standards for preservation planning: Preservation planning establishes historic contexts. Preservation planning uses historic contexts to develop goals and priorities for the identification, evaluation and treatment of historic properties. The results of preservation planning are made available for integration into broader planning processes. Standards for identification (i.e. survey): Identification of historic properties is undertaken to the degree required to make decisions. The results of identification activities are integrated into the preservation planning process. Identification activities include explicit procedures for record- keeping and information distribution. 3 Minutes — September 13, 2004 Edina Heritage Preservation Board III. Standards for evaluation: Evaluation of the significance of historic properties uses established criteria. Evaluation of significance applies the criteria within historic contexts. Evaluation results in a list or inventory of significant properties that is consulted in assigning registration and treatment priorities. IV. Standards for registration: Registration is conducted according to stated procedures. Registration information locates, describes and justifies the significance and physical integrity of a historic property. Registration information is accessible to the public. V. Standards for historic preservation projects: Every reasonable effort shall be made to protect and preserve archeological resources affected by, or adjacent to, any acquisition, stabilization, preservation, rehabilitation, restoration, or reconstruction project. Consultant Vogel concluded by noting that when the comprehensive historic preservation plan is complete it will act as a "cookbook" for historic preservation in the City providing the necessary steps for making preservation decisions in an orderly fashion. Responding to a question from the Board, Planner Repya explained that the City has adopted Secretary of the Interior's Standards as part of the Zoning Code. By utilizing the standards as goals for the comprehensive historic preservation plan, the Board would ensure that the City Code and preservation plan work together. Member Swenson asked for clarification regarding where the Historic Context Study fits into the process of determining eligibility for a landmark property. Mr. Vogel explained that the Historic Context Study would be addressed right up front when initially researching the history of a property. Chairman Nyberg inquired as to the action required to adopt the standards as goals. Mr. Vogel explained that there is no need to adopt the individual portions of the plan. Once finished with all aspects, the Board will be asked to adopt the plan in its entirety. He added that now that the goals have been established, at the next meeting the task will be to establish policies for implementing the goals. Board members agreed that this was a good exercise in understanding the preservation process. No formal action was taken. 4 Minutes — September 13, 2004 Edina Heritage Preservation Board IV. OTHER BUSINESS: A. Minnesota State Preservation Conference — September 24, 2004 at the Paramount Theater in St. Cloud Planner Repya announced that she would be attending the Annual State Preservation Conference in St. Cloud with members Nyberg and Kojetin. She promised a report by the attendees at the next HPB meeting. B. Joint Meeting with the City Council — Tuesday, October 5, 2004 at 5:30 p.m. in the Council Chambers. NEXT MEETING DATE: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 at Arneson Acres in the Upstairs meeting room ADJOURNMENT: 7:50 P.M. Respectfully submitted, 2 Joyce Repya 5 AGENDA REGULAR MEETING OF THE EDINA HERITAGE PRESERVATION BOARD TUESDAY OCTOBER 12, 2004, AT 7:00 P.M. EDINA HISTORICAL SOCIETY AT ARNESON ACRES 4711 W. 70TH STREET - UPSTAIRS I. APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES: September 13, 2004 II. CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS: H-04-11: 4903 Bruce Avenue — Convert an attached garage to living space & build a new detached garage III. OTHER BUSINESS: V. NEXT MEETING DATE: Tuesday, November 9, 2004 VI. ADJOURNMENT: MINUTES OF THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE EDINA HERITAGE PRESERVATION BOARD TUESDAY, OCTOBER 12, 2004, AT 7:00 P.M. EDINA HISTORICAL SOCIETY AT ARNESON ACRES 4711 WEST 70T" STREET MEMBERS PRESENT: Bill Crawford, Vice Chair. Bob Kojetin, Ann Swenson, Marie Thorpe and Don Wray MEMBERS ABSENT: Gary Nyberg, Peggy Jennings, and Herman Ratelle STAFF PRESENT: Joyce Repya, Associate Planner OTHERS PRESENT: - Robert Vogel, Preservation Planning Consultant - John Sweet, 4903 Bruce Avenue - Mike Sharratt, Sharratt Design - Jason Band, Sharratt Design - Curtis Irmiger, Curtis Irmiger Construction - Joni Bennett, 4003 Lynn Avenue I. APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES: Member Swenson moved for approval from the September 13, 2004 meeting. Member Crawford seconded the motion. All voted aye. The motion carried. II. CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS: COUNTRY CLUB DISTRICT H-04-11 4903 Bruce Avenue Convert existing attached garage to living space and build a new detached garage Planner Repya advised the Board that the subject property is located on the east side of the 4900 block of Bruce Avenue. The existing home is a 1935 English Cottage style. A 2 -car attached garage is located in the northeast corner of the house, accessed by a driveway running along the south property line. The request for a Certificate of Appropriateness involves converting the existing attached garage to a one story screened porch and building a new detached garage in the southeast corner of the rear yard. A new curb cut is not required since the existing driveway will provide access to the proposed garage. Minutes — October 12, 2004 Edina Heritage Preservation Board Ms. Repya pointed out that the new detached garage is proposed to compliment the English Cottage architectural style of the home, incorporating stucco and stone walls with trim boards. A tile roof is proposed to match the house, and a roof pitch of 17/12 is provided to duplicate the pitch of the gable on the front of the house. The height of the proposed garage is shown to be 26 feet at the highest peak, 18 feet to the mid point of the gable and 9 feet 1 1/8" to the eave line. The closest adjacent structure is the home to the south, 4907 Bruce Avenue which maintains a five-foot setback from the shared side property line. A proposed garage is shown to maintain a three-foot setback from the side and rear property line. The Country Club District Plan of Treatment recognizes garages as a form of new construction requiring a Certificate of Appropriateness, but has no specific guidelines for the design of detached garages. According to the Secretary of the Interior's Standards for the treatment of historic properties, new construction is an appropriate undertaking in a historic district when it is compatible in size, scale, materials, color and texture with other buildings in the neighborhood. Detached garages are consistent with the historic pattern of residential development in the Country Club District. Ms. Repya observed that the Heritage Preservation Board has reviewed plans for 10 similar detached garages in the district. Interestingly, 9 of the 10 were for homes of English Cottage architectural style. All of the plans reviewed thus far, to include the subject proposal have done a good job of incorporating building materials to compliment the principle structures. The subject plan however is unique in that it duplicates the roof pitch and height of the home. Of the 10 garage plans reviewed thus far, the average heights of the structures were 19.87 feet at the highest peak, 14.5 feet to the mid -point of the gable and 8.5 feet to the eave line. The pitch of the roofs varied from 9/12 to 12/12. Comparatively, the subject request measures 26 feet to the highest peak, 18 feet to the mid- point of the gable and 9 feet to the eave line and provides a 17/12 -roof pitch. Photographs of adjacent homes were submitted with the application indicating the roof heights of the houses. If the subject proposal were for a new home, the heights of the adjacent houses would be relevant, however because the subject review is for a detached garage, the fact that the proposed height is as tall or taller than the adjacent houses is unsettling. A detached garage is considered an accessory structure. Staff finds it inconsistent with the building patterns the Board has reviewed in the district for the garage to be as tall as the home. In closing, Ms. Repya reiterated that the plans show that the building materials and details provided are consistent and complimentary to the English Cottage architectural style of the home. However, due to the extreme height and severe pitch of the roof, staff finds the Secretary of the Interior's standard requiring compatible size of a structure to similar structures (detached garages) in the 2 Minutes — October 12, 2004 Edina Heritage Preservation Board district has not been met, thus approval of the request for the subject Certificate of Appropriateness is not recommended. Ms. Repya then added that since the report was written, the designer and homeowner have studied staffs concerns with the plan and would like to present a revised plan for consideration. Mr. Mike Sharratt, Principal with Sharratt Design explained the rationale behind the original proposal, pointing out that they were attempting to meet the customers need for extra storage while designing a structure that met the zoning standards, complimented the house and enhanced the property. He observed that design review is a subjective activity and at times a plan that meets all the standards might not be the best for a property. Mr. Sharratt then presented the several alternative plans, however the preferred alternative for Mr. and Mrs. Sweet would provide a 14/12 pitch rather that the original 17/12, a roof height to the peak of 23 feet instead of 26 feet and a measurement to the mid -point of the gable of 16 feet compared to the original 18 feet. Member Swenson questioned Mr. Sharratt regarding the length of the roof including the overhang on either end. He indicated that the overall length is shown to be 33 feet. Mrs. Swenson observed that was a lot of roof and 3 feet longer than the house, which measures 30 feet deep. She added her concerns that the proposed garage was a very large structure, almost the equivalent of a small house tucked into the corner of the yard having a definite impact on the neighboring properties. Consultant Vogel provided his insight into the proposed plan pointing out that when the compatibility and scale of a detached garage mimics the historic house, the plan strays from the Secretary of the Interior's standard of not recreating historic structure. One should be able to differentiate the 2004 garage from the 1935 home, and a new detached garage should not overwhelm or compete with the principle structure. In closing, Mr. Vogel opined that the plan as revised meets the concerns addressed by staff and would be acceptable for the issuance of a Certificate of Appropriateness. Member Thorpe stated that she finds both the original plan and the revision to be beautiful. Considering the impact on the neighboring properties she would support the revised plan. Member Kojetin observed that he likes the original plan, however finds the 33 - foot length to be excessive, pointing out that it is longer than the house. He added that unfortunately, the revised plan does not lessen the length or reduce the mass of the structure. 3 Minutes — October 12, 2004 Edina Heritage Preservation Board Following a brief discussion, Member Swenson moved approval of a Certificate of Appropriateness for the revised plan including a 14/12 roof pitch, 16 foot height to the mid -point of the gable and 23 foot roof height to the peak. Don Wray seconded the motion. Members Crawford, Thorpe, Wray and Swenson voted aye. Member Kojetin voted nay, citing his opposition to the excessive length of the structure. Motion carried. III. OTHER BUSINESS: - Landmark Designation Schedule Board members asked for clarification regarding the schedule for designating additional landmark properties. Consultant Vogel explained that a reasonable workload for the Board would be two new designations a year. There are currently three properties in line for designation: #1 Browndale Bridge, #2 Edina Mill Site, and #3 Edina Theatre marquee. He pointed out that the Browndale Bridge and Edina Mill Site will be designated simultaneously. Member Swenson stated that she would like the Edina Theatre Marquee designation to proceed as soon as possible. Mr. Vogel stated that he would bring the proposed designations to the Board at the November meeting. No formal action was taken. NEXT MEETING DATE: Tuesday, November 9, 2004 ADJOURNMENT: 8:20 P.M. Respectfully submitted, Joyce Repya 4 MINUTES OF THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE so EDINA HERITAGE PRESERVATION BOARD TUESDAY, NOVEMBER 9, 2004, AT 7:00 P.M. EDINA CITY HALL — MAYOR'S CONFERENCE ROOM 4801 WEST 50T" STREET 1% MEMBERS PRESENT: Bill Crawford, Vice Chair. Bob Kojetin, Ann Swenson, Marie Thorpe and Don Wray MEMBERS ABSENT: Gary Nyberg, Peggy Jennings, and Herman Ratelle STAFF PRESENT: Joyce Repya, Associate Planner OTHERS PRESENT: Robert Vogel, Preservation Planning Consultant I. APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES: Member Swenson moved for approval of the minutes from the October 12, 2004 meeting. Member Crawford seconded the motion. All voted aye. The motion carried. II. HISTORIC PRESERVATION PLAN OUTLINE: Consultant Vogel offered an outline and definitions to consider for the Historic Preservation Plan. The following format was created with the City's Vision 20/20 plan in mind, focusing on bullet points with less text: 1. Introduction - Several paragraphs of background information on the history of historic preservation in Edina, the role of the HPB, Edina Heritage Landmarks, and Certified Local Government. 2. Mission - A simple statement such as, "The mission of the city historic preservation program is to protect and enhance Edina's significant heritage resources for the benefit of present and future generations." 3. Vision - This section focuses on future planning needs. One way to do this would be to identify "outcomes" or benchmarks that would allow future city policy makers to evaluate the success of the Minutes — November 9, 2004 Edina Heritage Preservation Board preservation program; e.g., "By the year 2020, the city historic preservation program will have achieved the following:..." 4. Objectives, Issues and Actions— This would be a policy manual, the heart of the planning document; 10 —12 broad program objectives would be listed, with bullets identifying issues and recommended actions for achieving each of the objectives. 5. Historic Contexts — A summary of the Historic Context Study results, focusing on important themes and categories of potential landmark properties. 6. Inventory — Brief descriptions of the buildings, sites, and districts that have been designated or determined eligible for designation as Edina Heritage Landmarks. Mr. Vogel pointed out that once the City Council adopts the completed Preservation Plan, it will serve as an authoritative policy guide for making important decisions about preservation priorities, allocation of budget and staff time resources and integrating historic preservation with other city services, all strategic decisions that will determine how the preservation program operates in the future. In addition to its educational value, the plan would also have a practical value as the "cookbook" used by the HPB when it makes policy by determining such things as Heritage Landmark eligibility, nominating properties for Heritage Landmark rezoning, approving or denying Certificates of Appropriateness, etc. Mr. Vogel also provided the Board with a list of 10 Principles of Heritage Preservation that he often uses when addressing groups on the topic of heritage preservation. The Board members agreed that the listing would be very helpful as they work on the plan, particularly when creating the "Vision" section. Board members agreed that they favored the proposed six -point format Mr. Vogel proposed. Discussion ensued regarding which points to address first. Mr. Vogel suggested that the Introduction be saved for last when the plan was a known entity that could be summarized. Member Swenson opined that she liked the Mission statement proposed by Mr. Vogel and would be prepared to move forward with that, then work on completing the Vision section at next month's meeting. The Board agreed with Mrs. Swenson who then moved that the Board adopt the following Mission for the Plan: "The mission of the city historic preservation program is to protect and enhance Edina's significant heritage resources for the benefit of present and future generations." Member Crawford seconded the motion. All voted aye. The motion carried. The Board then agreed on the following work schedule for the Plan: 1. introduction Last item to address (Feb/March 2005) 2. Mission Adopted — November 2004 *1 2 Minutes — November 9, 2004 Edina Heritage Preservation Board 3. Vision December 2004 00 4. Objectives, Issues & Actions January 2005 5. Historic Contexts Already established 6. Inventory Already established Member Thorpe suggested that all Board members come to next months meeting with a vision they feel would be appropriate for the plan. All agreed that would be an excellent idea. No further action was taken. III. DESIGN REVIEW GUIDELINES FOR GARAGES IN THE COUNTRY CLUB DISTRICT: Addressing concerns raised by the Board at the October meeting regarding the desire for some direction when addressing requests for detached garages, Planner Repya provided the Board with a spreadsheet comparing the 11 detached garages reviewed in the Country Club District thus far regarding the following elements: Architecture, Square footage, Height at peak, Height at mid- point, Height at eave, Length of Ridge and Pitch of the roof. (Copy attached to these minutes. Taking into consideration the information in the spreadsheet, Consultant Vogel compiled the following proposed guidelines for the Board's review: No detached garage should be taller, longer or wider than the house, Undecorated side walls longer than 16 feet should be avoided whenever possible, and New detached garages should be differentiated from historic homes and clearly identifiable as contemporary works. Mr. Vogel explained that applying these guidelines to new -detached garages would ensure that the new construction would be compatible with the character of the district. Large, architecturally embellished garages would be permitted as a form of historic property alteration, but they would be treated as "temporary" structures that could be removed in the future without doing harm to the essential historic character of the house or the neighborhood. He indicated that he did not think it would be appropriate to require the new construction match the architecture of the older homes since there are no historical precedents for two -car garages for period revival style suburban homes built between 1924 and 1941; however, issues of size, scale, mass, color and materials are still important and should be considered in design review. Board members agreed that the proposed guidelines addressed their issues of concern, but added that they would also like to see something addressing the height of a new garage not exceeding the height of the adjacent homes. 3 Minutes — November 9, 2004 Edina Heritage Preservation Board Mr. Vogel stated that he would prepare a revised set of guidelines for detached garages to be addressed at December's HPB meeting. Discussion ensued as to whether the Plan of Treatment for the District would need to be amended to include the new guidelines. It was decided that the Plan of Treatment would not have to be amended. The guidelines would simply be added to the existing "Guidelines for New Construction". No formal action was taken. IV. EDINA THEATER PRESERVATION CONCEPT: Consultant Vogel provided the Board with a draft heritage preservation landmark nomination study for the Edina Theater, focusing on the sign, including the changes and updating, which have occurred over the years. Mr. Vogel opined that the theater sign is eligible for Edina Historic Landmark designation in the category of public art. He then recommended a plan of treatment for the sign based upon the significance of the sign to the identity of the community. Mr. Vogel stated that if the Board agreed that the theater sign was eligible for landmark designation, the next step would be to approach the property owner with the concept; if he is in favor, the Board could then take the steps laid out in the City Code to recommend the designation to the City Council. Board members all agreed that the theater sign was worthy of designation. Member Swenson moved to approve the draft Heritage Preservation Landmark nomination study in concept and to authorize staff to meet with the property owner to discuss the landmark designation. Member Thorpe seconded the motion. All voted aye. The motion carried. V. PRELIMINARY REPORT ON HISTORICAL INVESTIGATION OF THE BROWNDALE BRIDGE AND EDINA MILL: Consultant Vogel explained that as part of his 2004 work plan he has undertaken an intensive survey of the Browndale Bridge and Edina Mill properties in order to gather the information necessary to prepare Edina Heritage Landmark nomination studies. Although the mill site was previously included in the city's heritage preservation overlay district, there is no official record of the site's boundaries, nor does the 1977 archaeological excavation report explain how the site met the old ordinance eligibility criteria. The bridge is located with the boundaries of the Country Club District, as delineated in the 1980 National Register of Historic Places nomination form, which forms the basis of the current Edina Heritage Landmark District designation, however, the historic structure is not mentioned in the National Register documentation. Mr. Vogel presented the histories of both the Edina Mill Site and Browndale Bridge, 401 and explained that in terms of their Edina Heritage Landmark eligibility, both should 4 Minutes — November 9, 2004 Edina Heritage Preservation Board be evaluated with the local historic context, "Edina Mills: Agriculture and Rural Life 40 (1857 — 1923)". He added that the study unit "Minnehaha Creek: From Wilderness Stream to Urban Waterway (10,000 BC to AD 1974)" is also applicable. Mr. Vogel pointed out that there is ample historical documentation to make the case for historical significance on the basis of both properties' links to important historical events and patterns of events, such as early settlement, farming and rural life, the contributions of Andrew Craik to Edina's 19 century development, merchant milling, early transportation and the effects of the automobile, settlement patterns and route geography. In order to be considered historically significant, however, the bridge and mill would need to demonstrably retain historic integrity of those physical features necessary to convey their significance. Notwithstanding the information gaps resulting from the lack of construction documents„the Browndale Bridge seems to possess most of the important aspects of historic integrity. It is located at its original place of construction and its design and materials reflect its historic function and late -19th century bridge construction technologies. Although there have been changes in land use and the morphology of Minnehaha Creek, the physical environment of the bridge is largely unchanged. The stone arch provides physical evidence of a particular historic bridge configuration and the high quality of workmanship that went into construction. Finally, the bridge continues to visually convey the structure's historic character — it cannot be mistaken for a modern bridge. He concluded that the Browndale Bridge (Stone Arch Bridge) should be designated an Edina Heritage Landmark, and would complete his historical research prior to submitting the nomination study. Regarding the Edina Mill Site, Mr. Vogel stated that it is also well documented and the location has historical significance based on its association with important historic events. Mere association with historic events or trends is not enough for the site to qualify for Heritage Landmark designation as an archaeological site; in order to be considered significant, the site must be shown to contain important information in the form of archaeological date (intact buried architectural features and artifacts) that has potential value in answering important research questions. The 1977 archaeological investigation appears to have excavated less than 2% of the potential site and was a simple search for mill ruins. The researcher's report does not adequately address cultural or historical research questions, contains very little comparative analysis, and has little to say regarding site preservation issues. Mr. Vogel pointed out that his research focused on research questions that could be answered by future archaeological investigation with Dwight Williams Park. He added that if he is able to determine that the site possesses significant research value, it would be important to define archaeological site boundaries before future public works construction destroys the data. Mr. Vogel continued by explaining that in terms of preservation treatments, assuming that both the Browndale Bridge and the Edina Mill Site will be rezoned as Heritage Landmarks, the preliminary results of his research suggests that preservation in place is the only appropriate strategy for both properties. Before any 5 Minutes — November 9, 2004 Edina Heritage Preservation Board new transportation facilities are designed, an effort will need to be made to provide a compatible use for the Browndale Bridge that requires minimal alteration of the historic structure. The best alternative use, if it cannot remain in service for vehicle traffic because of its substandard geometry, would appear to be using it for a pedestrian bridge. The Edina Mill Site also needs to be treated with sensitivity. Before any new construction work is allowed to proceed within Dwight Williams Park, Mr. Vogel recommended that the City arrange for a professional archaeological survey of all terrain that must be disturbed by the project. If the survey were to reveal important subsurface features, that area should be avoided; if avoidance is not practical, the archaeological data will need to be salvaged in accordance with current archaeological practices. At a minimum, The City would need to take steps to minimize disturbance of terrain around the areas excavated in 1977 before, any new public works construction, retaining the existing mill interpretation station intact. In closing, Mr. Vogel indicated that his final report of the Edina Mill and Browndale Bridge survey should be complete by the end of the year. Board members discussed Mr. Vogel's interim report, agreeing that both areas are very interesting, but each possesses unique challenges. They then told Mr. Vogel that they looked forward to receiving his final report. No formal action was taken. VI. OTHER BUSINESS: Member Swenson reported that she received an invitation for the HPB from Brad and Arlene Forrest, owners of the Baird House, 4400 West 50th Street. Mr. and Mrs. Forrest have graciously offered to provide the Board with a tour of their home now that all of the construction has been completed. Board members expressed their delight and discussed a date/time that might work best. It was agreed that one-half hour prior to the regular December 14th meeting (6:30 p.m. to 7:30 pm) might work best. Vice Chair Kojetin reminded the Board that if the meeting time were to be changed from 7:00 to 7:30 p.m., that change would have to be published. Mrs. Swenson said she would verify the time/date with Mrs. Forrest and report back to Ms. Repya, who would then in turn take the necessary steps to change the starting time of the meeting. NEXT MEETING DATE: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 ADJOURNMENT: 8:30 P.M. Respectfully submitted, 6 AGENDA REGULAR MEETING OF THE EDINA HERITAGE PRESERVATION BOARD TUESDAY, DECEMBER 14, 2004, AT 7:00 P.M. EDINA CITY HALL MAYOR'S CONFERENCE ROOM I. APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES: November 9, 2004 II. HISTORIC PRESERVATION PLAN: Vision — Outcome/Benchmarks III. COUNTRY CLUB DISTRICT: Revised Guidelines for Detached Garages IV. PRESERVATION WEEK PLANNING — May 2005 V. OTHER BUSINESS: VII. NEXT MEETING DATE: Tuesday, January 11, 2004 - 6:30 p.m. Baird House Tour VIII. ADJOURNMENT: I• MINUTES OF THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE EDINA HERITAGE PRESERVATION BOARD TUESDAY, DECEMBER 14, 2004, AT 7:00 P.M. EDINA CITY HALL — MAYOR'S CONFERENCE ROOM 4801 WEST 50TH STREET MEMBERS PRESENT: Chairman Gary Nyberg, Bob Kojetin, Peggy Jennings, Herman Ratelle, Ann Swenson, and Marie Thorpe MEMBERS ABSENT: Bill Crawford, Don Wray and Consultant Robert Vogel STAFF PRESENT: Joyce Repya, Associate Planner I. APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES: Member Ratelle moved for approval of the minutes from the November 9, 2004 meeting. Member Swenson seconded the motion. All voted aye. The motion carried. II. HISTORIC PRESERVATION PLAN OUTLINE: Vision Planner Repya reminded the Board that they had scheduled working on the "Vision" section of the Preservation Plan for the December meeting. In preparation, Consultant Vogel prepared an outline, providing bullet points to spur discussion. In a memo to the Board, Mr. Vogel pointed out that the "Vision" section of the comprehensive preservation plan should focus on future planning needs. A relatively simple way to do this is to identify "outcomes" and "benchmarks" that would allow future city policy makers to evaluate the success of the preservation program. He then provided the following list of statements that reflect broad policy goals the Board has identified in the past: In 2020, the city historic preservation program will be characterized by the following program achievements (outcomes): 1. Edina will be a distinctive and recognizable community where preserved historic buildings and sites provide physical links to the past and foster a sense of community identity. 2. Historically significant buildings, sites, structures, objects and districts will be preserved as functional, useful parts of the modern city and will be the Minutes —December 14, 2004 Edina Heritage Preservation Board focus of important education, edification, recreation, and economic development activities. 3. The city will provide historic property owners and neighborhood groups with technical assistance and education in historic preservation. 4. Historic preservation programs sponsored by the city will stress empowerment of individuals and communities through stewardship, advocacy, education and partnership. By the year 2020, the city historic preservation program will have reached the following benchmarks: 1. Identified and evaluated all buildings more than 40 years old to determine their heritage landmark eligibility. 2. Surveyed the Morningside, Browndale Park, West Minneapolis Heights, Minnehaha Creek and Southdale neighborhoods to determine their historic preservation potential. 3. Re -surveyed the Edina Country Club District to refine and update the 1980 survey data. 4. Reviewed and updated each Heritage Landmark plan of treatment every ten years. 5. Carried out archaeological surveys of all undeveloped lands within the city limits. 6. Developed and implemented effective, voluntary, non -regulatory approaches to preserving significant historic properties. 7. Fully integrated historic preservation with other city planning for parks, recreation, community development, public safety, public works and education. 8. Developed historic property interpretation programs for selected heritage landmarks in partnership with property owners and outside agencies. 9. Made all pertinent information on preserved heritage landmarks accessible to the general public. 10. Made local history and heritage preservation a vital part of K-12 school curricula and lifelong learning for Edina residents. Addressing the four "outcome" points that Mr. Vogel identified, Member Jennings observed that she really liked point 1., however thought it might be clearer if broken down into two sentences to read, "Edina, as a distinctive and recognizable community, will preserve historic buildings and sites. The city will provide physical links to the past and foster a sense of community identity." Member Thorpe agreed with Mrs. Jennings, pointing out that she thought this point was very important and could easily be part of an opening paragraph for the "Vision" section of the plan. Board members agreed with Mrs. Thorpe and indicated that they agreed with the three remaining points in the "outcome" section. 2 Minutes —December 14, 2004 Edina Heritage Preservation Board When looking at the ten "benchmark" points, the following suggestions were made: Benchmark 1. Member Thorpe questioned the requirement to identify and evaluate all buildings more than 40 years old. She pointed out that by 2020, that would be anything built before 1980, which would encompass practically the entire city — quite an undertaking. Chairman Nyberg agreed with Mrs. Thorpe and indicated that he would like to have Mr. Vogel further explain his intent for that requirement. Benchmark 2. Member Swenson questioned identifying specific neighborhoods for surveys — pointing out that she would prefer not mentioning specific neighborhoods, leaving the options more open and less exclusive. Board members agreed. Benchmark 5. Member Swenson questioned why archaeological surveys would be carried out for all undeveloped lands within the city limits — asking, if a site is privately owned, can an archaeological survey be required of the owner? Discussion ensued among the Board. All agreed they would like to discuss this point with Mr. Vogel. Benchmark 6. Board members questioned whether the words voluntary and non -regulatory should be used when referring to the approaches the city should take when preserving significant historic properties. Board members agreed that they would like to discuss the choice of words with Mr. Vogel Benchmark 7. Member Swenson pointed out that she really liked this point which provides for fully integrating historic preservation with other city planning for parks, recreation, community development, public safety, public works and education, however she would like to see it as one of the first benchmarks, not #7. Board members agreed. Benchmark 9. Member Kojetin stated that he thought it was important that all pertinent information on preserved heritage landmarks be accessible to the general public. He asked if the Edina Historical Society isn't already doing that. Planner Repya pointed out that while the Historical Society currently houses most of the historical information for the city in its files; by 2020 information from both the Historical Society and the Heritage Preservation Board should be available to the public via the internet, or whatever technology is current at that time. Benchmark 10. Board members pointed out that they liked this point, which makes local history and heritage preservation available in the K-12 curricula as well as for all residents. Member Jennings stated that she felt local history is best suited for students in middle school, to be used as an enrichment component. Board members agreed. Minutes —December 14, 2004 Edina Heritage Preservation Board Following a brief discussion, Member Jennings stated that she felt these points were a great starting point for discussion. Member Ratelle agreed, but pointed out that it is important for Mr. Vogel to be a part of the discussion because so many questions have been raised regarding his intentions with some of the word choices. All Board members agreed. Mr. Ratelle than moved to table further discussions regarding the "Vision" until the January meeting when Mr. Vogel can provide his input. Member Swenson seconded the motion. All voted aye. The motion carried. III. DESIGN REVIEW GUIDELINES FOR GARAGES IN THE COUNTRY CLUB DISTRICT: Planner Repya reminded the Board that this item was carried over from the November meeting to include changes the Board proposed. Mr. Vogel provided the Board with a memo in which he indicated that by ordinance, a Certificate of Appropriateness is required prior to issuance of a building permit to construct a new detached garage in the Edina Country Club District. The Country Club District Plan of Treatment, adopted in 2003 included design guidelines for new home construction but not garages; the following document was developed as an appendix to the district plan of treatment. In reviewing applications for Certificates of Appropriateness for new, detached garages in the Country Club District, the Heritage Preservation Board will apply the following guidelines: No detached garage should be taller, longer or wider than the house on the same lot. No new, detached garage should have a roofline taller than that of the adjacent homes. Undecorated sidewalls longer than 16 feet should be avoided whenever possible. New detached garages should be differentiated from historic homes and clearly identifiable as contemporary works. Board members agreed with the first three points of the guidelines, but questioned the last point. Member Swenson pointed out that when the homes were first built in the Country Club District, detached garages were not that prevalent; and those that were built were smaller, quite utilitarian in design and for the most part, not visible from the front street. In this day and age, detached garages are much larger, often visible from the front street. Homeowners are spending a lot of money on these detached structures, which they are hoping to replicate the design of their home. Board members agreed that is the trend they are seeing. Chairman Nyberg questioned the use of the term "contemporary works". Although that term is often used in heritage preservation circles to refer to "current" or "up-to-date" structures, 4 Minutes —December 14, 2004 Edina Heritage Preservation Board often the public sees "contemporary" as an architectural style. Board members agreed that the guidelines should be "user friendly" with a careful use of technical jargon. After a brief discussion, the Board agreed on the following revised language for the last point: "New detached garages should be differentiated, but compatible with historic homes." Member Swenson stated that she was pleased with the proposed appendix to the guidelines, and moved for approval as proposed, with the exception of the last point, which should reflect the change agreed to by the Board. Member Kojetin seconded the motion. All voted aye. The motion carried. Mrs. Swenson then asked that after the Board has reviewed another year of detached garages, these guidelines be reviewed to see if they need to be adjusted. The Board agreed that would be a good idea. IV. PRESERVATION WEEK PLANNING — May 2005 Due to Consultant Vogel's absence, the Board agreed to table this item until the January meeting. V. OTHER BUSINESS: 1. Minnesota Department of Transportation (MNDOT) Correspondence Planner Repya provided the Board with copies of a letter addressed to Mr. Dennis Gimmestad, the Government Programs and Compliance Officer with the Minnesota Historical Society from the Design Project Manager of MNDOT, Heather Lott. As attachments to the letter, Ms. Lott provided photographs of a typical wall attached to bridge railings along with a structural design of the wall. She indicated that the bridge is in the final design phase and invited Mr. Gimmestad to contact her with comments or concerns. Board members discussed the photographs and agreed the design looked very plain, as though no concessions were made for the historic neighborhood and creek. All agreed that the examples provided were for bridges over highways, which is very different from a scenic waterway such as Minnehaha Creek. Planner Repya offered to pass the Board's comments to Mr. Gimmestad, and indicated that she would keep them posted on the project as new information is available. No formal action was taken. E Minutes —December 14, 2004 Edina Heritage Preservation Board 2. New HPB Member from Planning Commission Member Swenson explained that this would be her last meeting, not only because her second, one-year term is up, but also because she is moving on to her position as a Council Member. David Runyan, a Planning Commission member for well over 25 years will be replacing Mrs. Swenson. Mr. Runyan is a retired architect, who Mrs. Swenson said would be an asset to the HPB. Board members expressed their delight for Mrs. Swenson as she moves on to her position as a Council Member, and thanked her for the excellent service she provided the Board as the first representative from the Planning Commission. Board members then stated that they looked forward to welcoming Mr. Runyan to their ranks. No formal action was taken. 3. Potential 50th & France Redevelopment Member Thorpe stated that she has received several comments from people who are aware of a potential redevelopment project at the 50th & France area. The area involved includes the building south of W. 50th Street, from the theater east to France Avenue and from that corner, south, to include the Arby's parcel. The word on the street is that a redevelopment is in the works that would include retail on the street level and residential on the upper levels, not unlike new developments in downtown Hopkins and Excelsior & Grand. Mrs. Thorpe explained that the individuals who have approached her are concerned that 50th & France area will be changed to the point that it might lose it's historic charm; and they are wondering if the Heritage Preservation Board will have any input in the development of the project. Planner Repya explained that because the 50th and France Commercial area does not have Edina Heritage Landmark status, the Heritage Preservation Board would not have a required review. However, the Planning Commission or the City Council could ask for the HPB opinion on the project. Board members briefly discussed the potential project. No formal action was taken. 4. Edina Theater Sign — Update Planner Repya explained that she and Robert Vogel met with the owner of the theater building, Gene Haugland to discuss the possible Edina Heritage Landmark designation for the theater sign. Mr. Haugland expressed concerns regarding the landmark designation, citing the negative experiences he has had with the Minneapolis Heritage Preservation Commission. In response, Ms. Repya and Mr. Vogel explained how Edina's Heritage Preservation Ordinance is unique in that the property owner is a team player with the Heritage Preservation Board, creating together a plan of treatment that best suits the property. Mr. Haugland asked what the timeline would be for the designation. He was advised that the first week of May C: Minutes —December 14, 2004 Edina Heritage Preservation Board 2005, during Preservation Week would be the target date. Mr. Haugland left the meeting with copies of the preservation ordinance as well as a draft plan of treatment for the sign. He indicated that he would get back to Ms. Repya with his ideas about the designation sometime after the first of the year. A brief discussion among Board members followed. No formal action was taken. 5. Board Member Herman Ratelle Resigns Member Ratelle advised the Board that this would be his last meeting. He explained that his term was up for reappointment and he found his work commitments had reached a point that he was spread too thin. Board members shared their regrets that Mr. Ratelle would leaving, thanked him for his years of service and wished him the best in the future. VI. NEXT MEETING DATE: January 11, 2005 VII. ADJOURNMENT: 7:55 P.M. Respectfully submitted, Joyce Repya 7